For churches that hold fall festivals in place of Halloween and allow people to dress as biblical characters, is it acceptable to dress as the medium in Endor or the ghost of Samuel?
Since it's October, anybody miss Lisa Ruby?
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Why would anyone want to come as either one, unless, of course, they had twisted parents who liked those particular characters? LOL
That is a great idea. Or why not dress up as Herod and have worms coming out of your nose?
No, it means understanding that no one, not even the devil, has the power to call forth the soul of one who has departed, especially the soul of one resting in Abraham's Bosom...
...and understanding that God would never suffer his saints who have entered into rest to be thusly 'disquieted.'
Look at the words of 'Samuel,' "Why have YOU, disquieted me?'
Not, "Yahweh sent me."
The spirit, if it was Samuel indeed, was a liar.
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Of course. I say that the greatest proof that Satan is bound, as the Amillennialists (a misnomer) assert, is that Halloween is fun.
What ridiculousness. The text says it was Samuel.
The text in Genesis says it was the serpent.
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Please tell me your vocation doesn’t involve the educating of youth in any capacity. We’re screwed if so. Your constant circular reasoning tricks would make you a nightmare to learn from.
Lol. Witless Joe stirs .
(And you can betchyer donkey that was said in as much Christian love and devotion as he demonstrates.)
Let me get this straight...you want proof that the devil can't disturb the rest of God's saints.
Is that what you're asking?
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Wrong. Not "no one." God has the power to bring the dead to life. If Jesus could call forth Lazarus, body and soul, from where he laid dead four days, then calling forth the soul of Samuel, without his body, would appear to be the lesser feat.
Jesus did not appear concerned about "disquieting" Lazarus or any of the other persons whom he raised. So this objection also holds no water.
Well, he never identified himself as Samuel, so he didn't lie about that. Pray tell, what did this "liar" actually utter to Saul that wasn't absolutely true?
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Right. No one but God. That's understood. So, if Samuel was called forth, it had to be an act of God. Not of Saul, or of the witch, or of the devil.
And now, when God would not answer through hallowed means, you need to tell us why He harkened to a necromancer.
True. Therefore, it would NOT be a disquieting to be wakened by God.
I only need one, but I have three. That Saul disquieted him at all. That he was the soul of a departed man. That Israel would be delivered to Philistines.
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Then you concede that it's plausible.
You're assuming a certain connotation of the word translated "disquiet" that you have yet to support. So until you do so, dismissed.
Begging the question. Dismissed.
What Samuel actually said:
"The Lord will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines." (1 Sam. 28:19)
This happened, as Samuel said:
Now the Philistines were fighting against Israel, and the men of Israel fled before the Philistines and fell slain on Mount Gilboa. And the Philistines overtook Saul and his sons, and the Philistines struck down Jonathan and Abinadab and Malchi-shua, the sons of Saul.... Thus Saul died, and his three sons, and his armor-bearer, and all his men, on the same day together. And when the men of Israel who were on the other side of the valley and those beyond the Jordan saw that the men of Israel had fled and that Saul and his sons were dead, they abandoned their cities and fled. And the Philistines came and lived in them. (1 Sam. 31:1-2, 6-7)
The Philistines routed the Israelites. The army of Israel was giving into the hand of the Philistines. Not a lie. Dismissed.
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Wrong again....typical of eKKK
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No, show proof it wasn't Samuel as the text states, or shut the devil up and move on. I have nothing personal against you...just your stupidity! Christian love has nothing to do with correcting unbiblical stances such as the ones you have.Lol. Witless Joe stirs .
(And you can betchyer donkey that was said in as much Christian love and devotion as he demonstrates.)
Let me get this straight...you want proof that the devil can't disturb the rest of God's saints.
Is that what you're asking?
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He seems like an intelligent guy, I’m just not sure why he tries so hard to use that intelligence to disagree with Scriptures.
That God who would not respond through hallowed means, would through cursed means? Of course not. Question: Do you think necromancers really did communicate with the dead?
I'm not assuming anything, and no, as the debate judge will tell you, your notions don't enjoy defacto status. You aren't relieved of the obligation of cracking open the dictionary.
Still a lie.
What 'Samuel' actually said: Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. - 1Sa 28:19 KJV
Israel, and also its host.