Scott Gray Candidating?

[qwerty]

I have to wonder, if I was in JW's situation, if I thought I just might lose the church whole (in the sense of imploding) if I cleaned house the way I wanted to.

Honestly, I think it would survive.  The bulk of the work of the ministry there is built on the back of secretaries, and assistants that work for the assistant pastors and ministry leaders.  I think many of us can remember a time (or many times) where a worker or secretary would be working late into the night or even overnight while their boss was never to be found.  There were of course exceptions, like Stubblefield, Sparks, and Dr. Jorgenson, but for the most part, unless it was a photo-op, you would never see an Administrator or Assistant Pastor working all night helping to decorate the chapel for Roberson, stuffing envelopes for Youth Conference, or setting up tables for opening day.  An assistant pastor or administrator is a very small cog in the FBCH machinery.

There needs to be some house cleaning to remove those whose issues were never dealt with and others who were brought in with their own baggage that was never dealt with appropriately.  If they don't it will come back and bite them in the tookas.

 

[myeyesareopen]

Agree with your post Qwerty. Quite true that the ministry runs on the labors of the secretaries and assistants. Don't forget the students, as well.

BTW, it is "tuchus". Not tookas. The yid in me had to say that.

 

[qwerty]

Agree with your post Qwerty. Quite true that the ministry runs on the labors of the secretaries and assistants. Don't forget the students, as well.

BTW, it is "tuchus". Not tookas. The yid in me had to say that.

I was more talking about to the day-to-day operations of the church, schools, and ministries; but I do agree, the students do a majority of the labor outside the A ministries.

Thanks for the correction, tookas was in the urban dictionary so I ran with it.....so to speak.

 

[patriotic]

This is very frustrating that people are still having FBCH/HAC folks speak at their churches and schools.  Personally, they most likely have a genuine desire to serve the Lord, however they stood by (If not wrote letters of support) to a person that perverted the sanctity of the Church.  While he spewed his nonsense twisting and defiling the scriptures, these folks continued to sit in the audience and nodded her head like a bunch of bobble-heads in grandma's Ford Fairlane.  I would have probably given them the benefit of the doubt if this was just over a period of months, but this was years upon years of departure from the scriptures.  Choosing to stay and get paid is supporting whether you verbally stated support or not.

Are these people to be judged forever for this?  No.  But to have them teaching your church members while the ink is still drying on the letters they wrote in support of Schaap is foolish. 

Wilkerson should put a moratorium on all outside speaking events, at least until he can clean house (if he ever does).  Then after he fires or forces the retirement of every College administrator, Bible teacher in any school, and every Assistant Pastor and gets the FBCH ministries in order they can start working on mending their relationships with their graduates and like-minded churches.  He is obligated to his parishioners first, then worry about the rest.;-

^^^qwerty exercising what he learned in a recent class on diplomacy and tact. 

Good post, qwerty.  I quite agree. 

Good observations.  INDEED! 

 

[RAIDER]

This is very frustrating that people are still having FBCH/HAC folks speak at their churches and schools.  Personally, they most likely have a genuine desire to serve the Lord, however they stood by (If not wrote letters of support) to a person that perverted the sanctity of the Church.  While he spewed his nonsense twisting and defiling the scriptures, these folks continued to sit in the audience and nodded her head like a bunch of bobble-heads in grandma's Ford Fairlane.  I would have probably given them the benefit of the doubt if this was just over a period of months, but this was years upon years of departure from the scriptures.  Choosing to stay and get paid is supporting whether you verbally stated support or not.

Are these people to be judged forever for this?  No.  But to have them teaching your church members while the ink is still drying on the letters they wrote in support of Schaap is foolish. 

Wilkerson should put a moratorium on all outside speaking events, at least until he can clean house (if he ever does).  Then after he fires or forces the retirement of every College administrator, Bible teacher in any school, and every Assistant Pastor and gets the FBCH ministries in order they can start working on mending their relationships with their graduates and like-minded churches.  He is obligated to his parishioners first, then worry about the rest.

This is harsh, but dead on.  How could you sit there for years and listen to the false doctrine and blasphemy?

 

[IFB X-Files]

This is harsh, but dead on.  How could you sit there for years and listen to the false doctrine and blasphemy?

$$$$$

 

[16KJV11]

This is harsh, but dead on.  How could you sit there for years and listen to the false doctrine and blasphemy?

$$$$$

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it! 

 

[Bravo]

This is harsh, but dead on.  How could you sit there for years and listen to the false doctrine and blasphemy?

$$$$$

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

Manusha?

 

[16KJV11]

This is harsh, but dead on.  How could you sit there for years and listen to the false doctrine and blasphemy?

$$$$$

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

Manusha?

Ok, so my Yid grammar is a little lacking.

 

[Fresh Air]

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

 

[RAIDER]

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

Tom, this is another spot-on post.  You must be taking your chewable Hacker multi-vitamins. 

 

[Fresh Air]

Tom, this is another spot-on post.  You must be taking your chewable Hacker multi-vitamins. 

...in greater numbers than ever before, my good man. 

 

[Boomer]

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

That's it exactly. Hyles programmed them to turn their brains off and hand him the keys. Schaap came along and capitalized on the situation.

 

[RAIDER]

That's it exactly. Hyles programmed them to turn their brains off and hand him the keys. Schaap came along and capitalized on the situation.

Boomer, as much as I wish I could say you are wrong - you are spot-on. Very well put.

 

[16KJV11]

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

That's it exactly. Hyles programmed them to turn their brains off and hand him the keys. Schaap came along and capitalized on the situation.

Something here reminds me of the way the public and media are treating Obama and all the filth we are being subjected to in these last days.

 

[Bravo]

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

The coin of the realm here is "Influence".

 

[Boomer]

You mean they put up with all those years of manusha for 10 bucks an hour?  I don't buy it!

I'm with you on this one. That place didn't/doesn't pay well enough to hold with money. It held staff b/c they bought into 'we are the greatest work of God in America' and they bought into the man leading it. For crying out loud, most of the staff had second jobs anyway. No, they gave their heart/soul to Jack Schaap, and, unfortunately as well, their mind. They swallowed whole cloth the man-centric cult of personality, and then couldn't figure out how to regurgitate it when their stomach started to get a little upset toward the end.

That's it exactly. Hyles programmed them to turn their brains off and hand him the keys. Schaap came along and capitalized on the situation.

Something here reminds me of the way the public and media are treating Obama and all the filth we are being subjected to in these last days.

I totally agree.

 

[BALAAM]

I need to add here that I have nothing to add.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Has anyone heard when Scott Gray is going to Liberty Baptist? He has been at FBC the last few weeks and school is out.

 

[bgwilkinson]

It was announced today that this was Scott's last Sunday before leaving for Liberty.