Real HAC Numbers

[Walt]

I looked up some enrollment figures of some other colleges and universities - secular, accredited institutions - and their "TOTAL ENROLLMENT" figures seem to include both FULL-time and PART-time students. 

Perhaps, that's just the way it's done.

Exactly... and that's why it's important to know what should be counted and what shouldn't be.

 

[Vince Massi]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.

But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

 

[RAIDER]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.

But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

If they took classes they were a student.

 

[sword]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.
But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

Vince:
Though the motivation for this practice has not been established, are you suggesting the average professor at HAC did not need additional education / training? Don't most universities recommend their teachers continue their education and training?

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate. 

 

[Twisted]

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate. 

But that's only for REAL colleges.

 

[RAIDER]

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate. 

But that's only for REAL colleges.

If they took classes they were a student.

 

[Vince Massi]

The previous posts all have valid points. Many colleges encourage their professors to further their education. But HAC was making their professors take classes from other professors. They weren?t working on Master?s degrees.

An early professor, Jack Ross, did get an earned doctorate from an accredited college after he became a professor at HAC.

And Yes, they would have been students. But I have never heard of an accredited college raising its numbers by that method.

 

[RAIDER]

Looked at a 1980 Caber.  There are photos and names of 1518 students.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Looked at a 1980 Caber.  There are photos and names of 1518 students.

Was that 1518 names and 1518 photos?

 

[Vince Massi]

Looked at a 1980 Caber.  There are photos and names of 1518 students.

Raider, I appreciate your taking the time to find and post this information. HAC hides its numbers, now that they can?t use them to prove the blessing of God. Counting the yearbook photos is the most accurate information available.

 

[RAIDER]

Looked at a 1980 Caber.  There are photos and names of 1518 students.

Raider, I appreciate your taking the time to find and post this information. HAC hides its numbers, now that they can?t use them to prove the blessing of God. Counting the yearbook photos is the most accurate information available.

I have 3 or 4 more.  I will post the numbers soon.

 

[Walt]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.
But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

Vince:
Though the motivation for this practice has not been established, are you suggesting the average professor at HAC did not need additional education / training? Don't most universities recommend their teachers continue their education and training?

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate.

In my opinion, this is snobbery the other way... Hyles was known for railing against intellectuals, but a man who has been a successful civil engineer,  though he has an undergraduate degree only, is a fine teacher.

Men who have spent 20+ years pastoring can teach about aspects of being a pastor.

 

[LongGone]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.
But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

Vince:
Though the motivation for this practice has not been established, are you suggesting the average professor at HAC did not need additional education / training? Don't most universities recommend their teachers continue their education and training?

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate.

In my opinion, this is snobbery the other way... Hyles was known for railing against intellectuals, but a man who has been a successful civil engineer,  though he has an undergraduate degree only, is a fine teacher.

Men who have spent 20+ years pastoring can teach about aspects of being a pastor.

Can't remember a teacher I had at HAC that had pastored for 20 years. Combs had pastored but was very old. Laurent never pastored. Jorgenson had very limited experience. Fink has pastored but taught Greek. There may have been a few with some experience but don't remember it being the norm.

 

[Walt]

It is true that colleges count every student in their total enrollment.
But HAC used to push the married students to make their wives take a class. And they actually required their professors to take classes from other professors for a while. That made the numbers look better than the college deserved.

Vince:
Though the motivation for this practice has not been established, are you suggesting the average professor at HAC did not need additional education / training? Don't most universities recommend their teachers continue their education and training?

To be a full college professor you generally need a master?s degree in your chosen field and in many cases you need an earned doctorate.

In my opinion, this is snobbery the other way... Hyles was known for railing against intellectuals, but a man who has been a successful civil engineer,  though he has an undergraduate degree only, is a fine teacher.

Men who have spent 20+ years pastoring can teach about aspects of being a pastor.

Can't remember a teacher I had at HAC that had pastored for 20 years. Combs had pastored but was very old. Laurent never pastored. Jorgenson had very limited experience. Fink has pastored but taught Greek. There may have been a few with some experience but don't remember it being the norm.

That can well be - my point wasn't so much about what HAC did as to point out that experience also counts as much, if not more, than advance degrees.

But experience digging ditches does not make one qualified to teach computer science (as in your comment about Fink above - no matter how long he had pastored, that alone doesn't qualify him to teach Greek).

 

[RAIDER]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

What happened to 1611?

 

[Walt]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

What happened to 1611?

That was spring semester 1981

 

[RAIDER]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

What happened to 1611?

He was a student at the "original" campus. 

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

What happened to 1611?

He was a student at the "original" campus. 

I am "inspired" by that answer.

 

[Vince Massi]

Here are the numbers that I have counted in the Cabers:

1975 - 990
1977 - 1229
1980 - 1518
1981 - 1639

What happened to 1611?

He was a student at the "original" campus. 

I am "inspired" by that answer.

Were the records preserved?