John did love Yoko. I don't think there's any denying that.
President Jimmy Carter - RIP
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His stances are secondary. They arise from his replacement of God's Word for his feelings.
God's Word says... "but I feel"...
He divorced his first wife after he met Yoko and cheated on her (Yoko) after they got married, going so far as to leave her for 18 months. Strange definition of love if you ask me.
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Maybe John Lennon is in Heaven: https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/pastor-greg-laurie-john-lennon-god-today
That’s a bit excessive….
Well, he didn't have the Spirit of God, so, no...he couldn't have loved that way, but he was definitely drawn to her above all others.
Sheesh.
FYI - Here’s the actual video in which he discusses gay marriage and abortion
In all fairness, our guy Trump has a pretty solid history of supporting the gay community as well—way before it was even considered “cool” to do so, dating back to at least the year 2000 when he was running for president of the Reform Party. https://www.insidehook.com/culture/...-pro-gay-universal-healthcare-taxing-rich/amp
LOL. But we don't swoon when his shadow passes over us.
I agree. Carter, like all of us, was a fallible man capable of making erroneous political and religious decisions. He was a sinner. But aside from a couple of his Scriptural (mis)interpretations, I’d welcome you to do a side-by-side life’s comparison with him and any other president in history and let me know your thoughts on whom exemplified Christ the most.
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Maybe so, but Carter stayed in the party that supported abortions, even late abortions, coming out the womb
You’re being a little disingenuous with your last statement. I’m not a supporter of abortion, but the “coming out of womb” abortion line has been proven to be not true: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-falsely-claims-democrats-support-abortions-after-birth/
Now, that being said, I’m sure if all of you do deep enough google searches you can locate a Democratic politician who does support infanticide, just like I can locate Republican politicians who support abortion. In fact, Governor Ronald Reagan signed an abortion bill into law that made California’s annual abortions skyrocket from less than 1,000 to over 100,000. (He later regretted this decision.) https://www.nationalreview.com/2008/01/reagans-darkest-hour-paul-kengor-patricia-clark-doerner/amp/
On the other hand, Carter did more than any other Democrat to restrict abortions by signing into law the Hyde Amendment: https://www.ncregister.com/news/pro...o-jimmy-carter-to-save-the-hyde-amendment?amp
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You missed the part, Carter stayed in the democrat party that still pushed and supported abortions. I believe the former governor of Va said if a baby survived it would be put to the side and then a decision be made to live or die as the state was talking about passing the repeal act.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-governor-defends-letting-infants-die/
Also I think NY state a baby can be aborted at birth, again a state run by democrat. But that is ok Jimmy was a godly man, even as he stayed in and supported democrat. At least he got his wish to live to Nov 5th 2024 to be able to pull the lever for Kamala
I didn’t miss anything. Go back and read the Hyde Amendment link and the link about Reagan.
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a partial birth abortion - which is what democrats still support to this day but refer to by different "euphoric" names - is nothing less than killing a baby as it exits the womb.... ... labor is induced by either mechanical or chemical stimulation and then a metal instrument is used to puncture the top of the babys head and scramble it;s brains as the head protrudes... ..... at that point labor continues and what is finally delivered is a dead baby...
so the fact checkers of cbs and those who latch onto their every word as if it was gospel need to fact check themselves.... ..the labelling of such a procedure as being a "coming out of the womb" abortion is entirely correct.. ..
however... what i described above is what happens when the abortionist procedure goes as planned... but sometimes it doesn;t... and the baby continues to live even after being expelled from the womb with a hole in it;s head.. .. . in those cases it is placed in a basin and covered with a wet towel... then left there until it stops breathing and it;s heart stops beating....... what should that kind of thing be called if not an "after birth abortion"?..... i call it by what it really is.... cold blooded murder.. .
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Regardless of what any political party believes (whether it be the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Communists, or the Barney the Dinosaur party), the original contention by some forum members was that Carter supported abortion. That’s unequivocally either a lie or a simple mistake based on misinformation. I’ve posted links to the Hyde Amendment, which Carter signed into law as proof. I’ve also posted a video of him as an elderly man still declaring he hadn’t adopted the pro-abortion stance. If we’re talking about gay marriage, that’s a different situation, but it’s disingenuous for people to say he was pro-abortion.
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he stood alongside those who openly supported all kinds of abortion without restrictions.... and helped them fight against those who would either limit it or ban it outright... so in the end it doesn;t really matter what he claimed to believe... . .. a position does not have to be adopted as a core belief to still be supported... and a person supporting those who do hold that position as a core belief will be considered no different than they are - regardless of what they might actually believe or "feel" inside....... it goes towards being known by the company we keep... as well as which side of the battle lines we stand on.... ...
over the years many conservative leaning democrats have left the democrat party after taking a good look at things and coming to grips with what it was they have been a part of.... . but carter never did that.... .in fact.. as you pointed out with regards to him changing his beliefs on gay marriage he actually went deeper into liberal ideology.... .. .
There’s a lot of validity in what you said, and I’m not saying you’re incorrect. However, when people made blanket statements like, “Jimmy Carter supported gay marriage and abortion,” I don’t think they meant he supported abortion by proxy or by extension of other politicians in a political party decades after he last held public office. I think they meant he literally supported it on a personal level. I’m also betting they were unfamiliar with the Hyde Amendment and with more recent video evidence of him saying he’s never been comfortable supporting abortion.
Regarding whether or not he should have attempted to switch political parties over the abortion issue is a secondary question. Maybe he should have switched, or maybe he felt that the Democrats needed people in their ranks who did not completely abandon the pro-life counterpoint. Of course, most people in life are not single-issue voters. Maybe on that issue he felt uncomfortable, but on a host of other issues he felt comfortability with the party. I don’t know and will likely never know unless some video interviews come out that were meant to be posthumous publications, so I’d just be sitting here speculating.
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Carter was personally opposed to abortion, but he supported a woman's right to have one if she chose.
Which is a textbook case of the word but nullifying everything that comes before it.
This is Carter’s most recent direct quote about abortion:
“I have never believed that Jesus would be in favor of abortion, unless it was the result of rape or incest, or the mother's life was in danger. That's been the only conflict I've had in my career between political duties and Christian faith," Carter told The New York Times in an interview posted on Friday.“
By the way, let’s compare Carter’s abortion stance with that of Trump. Let’s start with one older quote from Trump in 1999:
And to be fair, I’ll list a much more recent quote from Trump in 2024:
Many states will be different,” Trump continued. “Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others, and that’s what they will be. At the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people.”
Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...comparing-trumps-stance-on-abortion-over-time
It doesn’t exactly sound to me like Trump is a very pro-life kind of guy, nor does it seem like he’s really going to bat for the anti-abortion cause. Correct me if I’m wrong.
“I have never believed that Jesus would be in favor of abortion, unless it was the result of rape or incest, or the mother's life was in danger. That's been the only conflict I've had in my career between political duties and Christian faith," Carter told The New York Times in an interview posted on Friday.“
By the way, let’s compare Carter’s abortion stance with that of Trump. Let’s start with one older quote from Trump in 1999:
October 1999
–“I’m very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still – I just believe in choice,” Trump said during a “Meet the Press” interview.And to be fair, I’ll list a much more recent quote from Trump in 2024:
April 2024
– “My view is now that we have abortion where everyone wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation, or perhaps both. And whatever they decide must be the law of the land. In this case, the law of the state,” Trump said in a video statement posted on social media.Many states will be different,” Trump continued. “Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others, and that’s what they will be. At the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people.”
Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...comparing-trumps-stance-on-abortion-over-time
It doesn’t exactly sound to me like Trump is a very pro-life kind of guy, nor does it seem like he’s really going to bat for the anti-abortion cause. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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