Partial Text of Linda Murphrey's letter to FBCH

[Mathew Ward]

I'm sure those inner circle IFB evangelists did not have an agenda or any loyalty to Hyles.  I'm also sure they did not participate in the IFB gossip line.

But I do remember Mrs. Hyles leaving the IFB for a SBC church after her husbands death,  makes you wonder...

No agenda. Someone casually asked if anyone ever heard from Linda. One of the men said that Linda had her own set of issues that made Dave look like a choir boy. The other man nodded in agreement and the subject was changed. The conversation predates Hyles death and any of this current mess.

Mrs Hyles moved to Dallas. Had maintained a friendship with Mrs Criswell through the years so she attended FBC of Dallas to be me in Mrs C's Sunday School class at the time. She still speaks at IFB conferences where her husband is still loved. She doesn't have to. She chooses to. That is telling in and of itself.

Loyal Hyles followers talking about the black sheep of the family, doesn't sound all that innocent to me.

Mrs. Hyles joining a wicked SBC church that her husband left and preached against for years is very telling, you may try and spin it but it is very telling.

 

[Pastor Marty]

Loyal Hyles followers talking about the black sheep of the family, doesn't sound all that innocent to me.

Mrs. Hyles joining a wicked SBC church that her husband left and preached against for years is very telling, you may try and spin it but it is very telling.

Well insider doesn't always mean loyal  But nothing nasty was said just acknowledging she had issues.

Not spinning anything, Mat. Hyles stated many times that Mrs Hyles supported preachers and teachers around the country with whom he disagreed or didn't care for. Some she even money to. It's no big deal ... what IFB church could she have gone to that wouldn't have started a fight within the ranks??? As I said she still speaks in IFB conferences.

 

[Sherryh]

Marty, I think you're correct on your thread about Linda........everyone has an opinion but that's why we are different.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I partially believe some of what Linda Murphrey claims but I understand those who don't. She lost a lot of credibility with the whole "my dad owned all those buildings and was a rich man" line. (from her testimony video)

 

[Mathew Ward]

Loyal Hyles followers talking about the black sheep of the family, doesn't sound all that innocent to me.

Mrs. Hyles joining a wicked SBC church that her husband left and preached against for years is very telling, you may try and spin it but it is very telling.

Well insider doesn't always mean loyal  But nothing nasty was said just acknowledging she had issues.

Not spinning anything, Mat. Hyles stated many times that Mrs Hyles supported preachers and teachers around the country with whom he disagreed or didn't care for. Some she even money to. It's no big deal ... what IFB church could she have gone to that wouldn't have started a fight within the ranks??? As I said she still speaks in IFB conferences.

So do we discredit her because she had issues?  If someone did that to you how would that make you feel?  Would it make your point any less correct?

What IFB conferences is she scheduled to speak at? when was the last IFB conference she spoke at?

 

[anxiousfaith]

The point about Mrs. Hyles speaking at a few IFB conferences is pretty irrevelant.  My parents were devastated when I was mistreated at school and they had to leave the church.  With all that, they still continued to support two scholarship students for the next 6 years!  Even after 30 years away, my mother still continues to support the pastor and the church publicly although privately she admits it was all wrong.  I believe its partly generational in wanting not to make waves or be confrontational and partly the doctrine in IFB to never criticize a man of God.  It sticks with you no matter who you are.

 

[Pastor Marty]

So do we discredit her because she had issues?  If someone did that to you how would that make you feel?  Would it make your point any less correct?

What IFB conferences is she scheduled to speak at? when was the last IFB conference she spoke at?

Mat, the context of all this was pretty simple ... it's not about discrediting her over issues. She discredits herself with embellishments and outright untruths. Her issues are for her to deal with before the Lord. But according to her own website and social network it looks like she may have moved past Christianity into new age self help and personal empowerment philosophies.

As for Mrs Hyles .... within the past year she has spoken at conference for John Vaperszan (sp) and one for Bob Gray. She was scheduled to speak at a "national"  IFB ladies conference which was cancelled. I have no idea what her 2013 itinerary is. Nor do I care. The point is ... since leaving Hammond and going SBC she has maintained her IFB connections and still speaks when asked (I am sure at her age that also means health permitting).

Wally Beebe, founder and one time editor of the Church Bus News, lived in GA and attended an SBC church for years. He maintained his membership as an evangelist in Hammond but when he wasn't on the road, he and Mrs Beebe attended a convention church. Tom Neal tried to make a big stink out of it. Hyles defended him. Wally Beebe stated the church he attended lined up where he believed about the Bible, soul winning, and etc more than any IFB church in that area.

And Mat for the record ... let me help you out here. I know you were associated with an extreme wing of the IFB ... one that embraced and emboldened Dr Hyles in the latter years of his life. Don't forget ... Hyles was actually pretty mainstream from the late 50's thru the 70's. Even into the 80's he spoke at non Baptist churches and meetings. It wasn't until the dawn of the 90's forward he became the leader of the IFBX (mainstream distanced themselves following the Nischik and post Dave scandas). But despite his public persona of hard right wing conservative standards and yada yada ... in private Hyles still maintained some of his mainstream friendships. He kidded some pastors, "Don't tell Bob Gray or Tom Neal that we're talking." He helped many of them and even spoke in some of those places ... low key - no promotion ... but Hyles was not like the guy you worked for in LA. I remember the pastor of the "Christian" church in Southlake speaking in an HAC chapel.

Trust me ... Hyles is not turning over in his grave that Beverly went to an SBC church. Now if she starts wearing pants... well then...  ;D

 

[Mathew Ward]

So do we discredit her because she had issues?  If someone did that to you how would that make you feel?  Would it make your point any less correct?

What IFB conferences is she scheduled to speak at? when was the last IFB conference she spoke at?

Mat, the context of all this was pretty simple ... it's not about discrediting her over issues. She discredits herself with embellishments and outright untruths. Her issues are for her to deal with before the Lord. But according to her own website and social network it looks like she may have moved past Christianity into new age self help and personal empowerment philosophies.

As for Mrs Hyles .... within the past year she has spoken at conference for John Vaperszan (sp) and one for Bob Gray. She was scheduled to speak at a "national"  IFB ladies conference which was cancelled. I have no idea what her 2013 itinerary is. Nor do I care. The point is ... since leaving Hammond and going SBC she has maintained her IFB connections and still speaks when asked (I am sure at her age that also means health permitting).

Wally Beebe, founder and one time editor of the Church Bus News, lived in GA and attended an SBC church for years. He maintained his membership as an evangelist in Hammond but when he wasn't on the road, he and Mrs Beebe attended a convention church. Tom Neal tried to make a big stink out of it. Hyles defended him. Wally Beebe stated the church he attended lined up where he believed about the Bible, soul winning, and etc more than any IFB church in that area.

And Mat for the record ... let me help you out here. I know you were associated with an extreme wing of the IFB ... one that embraced and emboldened Dr Hyles in the latter years of his life. Don't forget ... Hyles was actually pretty mainstream from the late 50's thru the 70's. Even into the 80's he spoke at non Baptist churches and meetings. It wasn't until the dawn of the 90's forward he became the leader of the IFBX (mainstream distanced themselves following the Nischik and post Dave scandas). But despite his public persona of hard right wing conservative standards and yada yada ... in private Hyles still maintained some of his mainstream friendships. He kidded some pastors, "Don't tell Bob Gray or Tom Neal that we're talking." He helped many of them and even spoke in some of those places ... low key - no promotion ... but Hyles was not like the guy you worked for in LA. I remember the pastor of the "Christian" church in Southlake speaking in an HAC chapel.

Trust me ... Hyles is not turning over in his grave that Beverly went to an SBC church. Now if she starts wearing pants... well then...  ;D

If her issues are for her to deal with before the Lord why bring them up?  Were they brought up to help her, I don't think so.  You would have to admit to help discredit her.

There are loyal Hylesites that wouldn't believe that Jack ever did anything wrong.  That he didn't bug the offices of staff to see how loyal they were to him.

Maybe his extreme IFB'ism wasn't lived like he would have all to believe (he was the hero in most of his stories) and because of that it has damaged his children. Hyles didn't pastor FBC, he ran it and created a position that Jack 2 couldn't handle but enabled him.

 

[subllibrm]

No agenda. Someone casually asked if anyone ever heard from Linda. One of the men said that Linda had her own set of issues that made Dave look like a choir boy. The other man nodded in agreement and the subject was changed. The conversation predates Hyles death and any of this current mess.

And your repeating their gossip tells more about you than you intended. Of course no one here is surprised that you would find that acceptable behavior for those men. Casting aspersions isn't Okay just because it was done "casually".

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I don't think Linda did anything to discredit Hyles, Hammond etc. that they had not already done to themselves.
By going public, she opens herself up to inspection and criticism.
I think she exaggerated at best, lied at worst in her 'Ted talk'.

I don't give her much credibility, personally.
I do have sympathy for her, and the rest of the ladies in her family.
But that doesn't change my opinion of Schaap, Hammond or Hyles, at all.

 

[Pastor Marty]

Mat - If her issues are for her to deal with before the Lord why bring them up?  Were they brought up to help her, I don't think so.  You would have to admit to help discredit her.

It provides context so that one understands she was not a victim running for her life.

Hyles didn't pastor FBC, he ran it and created a position that Jack 2 couldn't handle but enabled him.

And you were member of FBC for how long? When you were a member ... you sought his help and counsel how many times? Despite the church becoming extremely large he did manage to go visiting, make hospital rounds, see shut ins from time-to-time, weekly counseling, and etc... he even went on a youth activity or two each year. 

Yes, he hired staff men to do alot of the daily "serving of the tables" by going to the ER to comfort a parent whose teenager was in a car accident or see a grieving widow who lost her husband while Hyles out of town .... but then again so did men like Jerry Falwell to Jerry Vines.

 

[Just John]

So do we discredit her because she had issues?  If someone did that to you how would that make you feel?  Would it make your point any less correct?

What IFB conferences is she scheduled to speak at? when was the last IFB conference she spoke at?

Mat, the context of all this was pretty simple ... it's not about discrediting her over issues. She discredits herself with embellishments and outright untruths.

Seriously? YOU really wrote that? 

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[Mathew Ward]

Mat - If her issues are for her to deal with before the Lord why bring them up?  Were they brought up to help her, I don't think so.  You would have to admit to help discredit her.

It provides context so that one understands she was not a victim running for her life.

Hyles didn't pastor FBC, he ran it and created a position that Jack 2 couldn't handle but enabled him.

And you were member of FBC for how long? When you were a member ... you sought his help and counsel how many times? Despite the church becoming extremely large he did manage to go visiting, make hospital rounds, see shut ins from time-to-time, weekly counseling, and etc... he even went on a youth activity or two each year. 

Yes, he hired staff men to do alot of the daily "serving of the tables" by going to the ER to comfort a parent whose teenager was in a car accident or see a grieving widow who lost her husband while Hyles out of town .... but then again so did men like Jerry Falwell to Jerry Vines.

So next time BB brings up your past I should back him as providing context and not trying to discredit you...ok

He never had a time set aside to meet with the navy boys who rode the bus to FBC.

 

[kaba]

They want to hear what someone with integrity and a willingness to confront the monster has to say.

Seems like The Hate Hyles Kool-Aide drinkers want to believe whatever Linda has to say as the gospel truth. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. The point is simple... why is she automatically given "credibility" and "integrity" without any varification or scrutiny?

Confront the monster? You mean talking about a dead man who cannot defend himself and a prison convict? Who exactly has she confronted?

To date Mrs Jack Hyles still maintains a public persona that her husband was an upstanding Christian and he was lied about. Will Linda confront Mommy?

After the Sumner article broke ... Dr Hyles took a Sunday night to address the accusations. I remember MRS HYLES leaping to her feet -more than once- in applause when Dr Hyles came out swinging that night.

Soooo, IF Linda is right then who will deal with Mrs Hyles .... BUT if Mrs Hyles is right then why should we give credibility to Linda?

Many years ago ...15 or more... I heard two known IFB inner circle evangelists state without hesitation that Linda's personal life and "exploits" still made Dave look like a choir boy. It was in response to a question about where was Linda.

1. You have absolutely no credibility.
2. The monster is the whole machinery that Hyles built and controlled and that Schaap continued.
3. I am sure Mrs hyles has for so long deceived everyone that it would be too hard to come out now and say "Well, guys, I was lying for 40 years."

4. Prove to me anything you just claimed about Linda.  Two evangelists 15 years ago?  Empty words.

I agree with your point #1 in reference to Marty.

Randy Taylor and Dennis Corle? Really? I am sure they looked down on Linda just because she might (gasp!!) wear pants--such a wicked woman!

 

[Pastor Marty]

So next time BB brings up your past I should back him as providing context and not trying to discredit you...ok

lol ... cuz he's been so accurate and honest  : I didn't go into any details or fabricate any of Linda's past (present). You were validating her as a hero for coming forward. I made a comment to slow down on giving her free pass and taking everything she is saying now as gospel truth.

He never had a time set aside to meet with the navy boys who rode the bus to FBC.

No and he probably didn't burp babies in the nursery either. He must have made some kind of impression on some of those sailors who came back after being discharged to either attend HAC or become members of FBC.

I never said he was perfect or didn't have an ego (EVERYONE in ministry has a degree of ego btw). But you made a broad brush accusation without any substantiation. I simply called you on it.

 

[Sherryh]

She isn't wicked for wearing pants...............she was looked down upon for slaundering her father and his ministry.

 

[kaba]

Randy Taylor and Dennis Corle are the typical IFB legalistic preachers! They would think someone was wicked for wearing pants.  But I am sure their cause of gossip was partly because she no longer worshipped the IFB movement that her Father thought he was ahead of.

 

[Sherryh]

I'm sad they didn't try and be a help to Linda when she needed them.

 

[BALAAM]

Marty, I think a lot of what you have said was true. Linda did use enough embellishments and not exactly accurate statements to call her whole agenda into question.

But then again, it seems that you along with a lot of others, will defend JH to the n'th degree when he used enough embellishments and not exactly accurate statements to call him into question. Just my 2 cents.

 

[bruinboy]

So next time BB brings up your past I should back him as providing context and not trying to discredit you...ok

lol ... cuz he's been so accurate and honest  : I didn't go into any details or fabricate any of Linda's past (present). You were validating her as a hero for coming forward. I made a comment to slow down on giving her free pass and taking everything she is saying now as gospel truth.

pastor marty, if you would provide just one time where I was not accurate or honest, I will be happy to apologize to you. (Lots of fun with that one). 
You calling anyone's integrity into question is laughable at best. Kinda like dr. saaaap calling you a pervert.