Ken Schaap and his group starting a church in Cincinnati

[Still There]

Brain - yes they all do attend Southpoint.  And yes, this is Kenny's brainchild.  They are not supported by FBC.  He and Jerod Long have been long time Bible teachers together and are going together.  I don't know the other two couples except the Sumners.  Good luck to them.  He was ordaned a few weeks ago at Southpoint. 

 

[fishinnut]

I love the way they build each other to be the greatest.........

He committed to be my assistant pastor in 3rd grade... :
Greatest Bible teacher in the world.... :
Taught 7 years at the high school level.... :

Yep. These guys desperately need to get out of the FBCH closed system and into the real world of ministry. ...of course, KS should have done that BEFORE he taught Pastoral Theology at HAC but that would just be quibbling now, wouldn't it?

8)

Really....he taught PT at HAC. According to the pics on the website it looks like KS was just recently ordained.....& not by FBCH. Though the new FCHB pastor was on the platform.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

<Tom is wondering just how many INDEPENDENT Baptist churches will be financially contributing to the start of another trendy denomination...>

Only the ones that are truly right with MOG - er - God.  :

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I love the way they build each other to be the greatest.........

He committed to be my assistant pastor in 3rd grade... :
Greatest Bible teacher in the world.... :
Taught 7 years at the high school level.... :

Yep. These guys desperately need to get out of the FBCH closed system and into the real world of ministry. ...of course, KS should have done that BEFORE he taught Pastoral Theology at HAC but that would just be quibbling now, wouldn't it?

8)

Really....he taught PT at HAC. According to the pics on the website it looks like KS was just recently ordained.....& not by FBCH. Though the new FCHB pastor was on the platform.

Which begs the question - Is "Southpoint" "FBC South?"  Is it really an independent ministry or just a ministry of FBC?

 

[16KJV11]

It sounds like many are incredulous about what Kenny is doing.
I hope God blesses him, but 10 to 1 it will be IFB Lite, if IFB at all.
Within 5 years, the name Baptist will be off the sign and Community tacked on.
Hey, then everybody will be happy, right?
No, wait, everyone would be happy if Kenny and company would disappear all together! 

 

[BALAAM]

I love the way they build each other to be the greatest.........

He committed to be my assistant pastor in 3rd grade... :
Greatest Bible teacher in the world.... :
Taught 7 years at the high school level.... :

Yep. These guys desperately need to get out of the FBCH closed system and into the real world of ministry. ...of course, KS should have done that BEFORE he taught Pastoral Theology at HAC but that would just be quibbling now, wouldn't it?

8)

Totally agree with this Tom! One of my peeves about hac is that they didn't have pastors teaching a lot of the classes. They had whoever got noticed or had a big bus route and not people who were actually in the ministry. Kenny was teaching at hb before he even graduated and they had to change a rule to let him do it. Then he was a 'professor' at hac and then a vp.  All this even though he actually flopped in the actual ministry work he was in charge of. But, I hope it works out well for them. (but I have my doubts)

 

[BALAAM]

didn't he go to NC and had his mom follow?  Now he is starting churches?

Todd and Jacklynn Weber went to NC and Cindy Schaap has moved there also. Ken is still at hac.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

It sounds like many are incredulous about what Kenny is doing.
I hope God blesses him, but 10 to 1 it will be IFB Lite, if IFB at all.
Within 5 years, the name Baptist will be off the sign and Community tacked on.
Hey, then everybody will be happy, right?
No, wait, everyone would be happy if Kenny and company would disappear all together! 

Incredulous?  Look, we are HACkers - if it don't start with Stinkin', it ain't an insult. 



It ain't so personal against Kenny as you might assume.  It is a very different model from what the typical IFB plan for starting churches.  Yet, they have many of the IFBxer tendencies that drives us nuts.  It is not so much the person, Kenny, as it is the practice of Kenny, Jarod and the rest of his posse that we are roasting.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I love the way they build each other to be the greatest.........

He committed to be my assistant pastor in 3rd grade... :
Greatest Bible teacher in the world.... :
Taught 7 years at the high school level.... :

Yep. These guys desperately need to get out of the FBCH closed system and into the real world of ministry. ...of course, KS should have done that BEFORE he taught Pastoral Theology at HAC but that would just be quibbling now, wouldn't it?

8)

Totally agree with this Tom! One of my peeves about hac is that they didn't have pastors teaching a lot of the classes. They had whoever got noticed or had a big bus route and not people who were actually in the ministry. Kenny was teaching at hb before he even graduated and they had to change a rule to let him do it. Then he was a 'professor' at hac and then a vp.  All this even though he actually flopped in the actual ministry work he was in charge of. But, I hope it works out well for them. (but I have my doubts)

The real world is a very shocking environment to those who have never lived in it. 

 

[fishinnut]

It sounds like many are incredulous about what Kenny is doing.
I hope God blesses him, but 10 to 1 it will be IFB Lite, if IFB at all.
Within 5 years, the name Baptist will be off the sign and Community tacked on.
Hey, then everybody will be happy, right?
No, wait, everyone would be happy if Kenny and company would disappear all together! 

Incredulous?  Look, we are HACkers - if it don't start with Stinkin', it ain't an insult. 



It ain't so personal against Kenny as you might assume.  It is a very different model from what the typical IFB plan for starting churches.  Yet, they have many of the IFBxer tendencies that drives us nuts.  It is not so much the person, Kenny, as it is the practice of Kenny, Jarod and the rest of his posse that we are roasting.

The team concept often comes from the Non-doms or could it be patterned from the Africa HAC mission team concept? Anyone know?

 

[brainisengaged]

Were I to be completely honest, I would have to say I don't particularly wish them well. I feel KS and his wife know nothing other than their life in a bubble, where they are legends in their own minds and where everything has always been handed to them because of "who" they are.

Although I don't have any connection to any of them in any way, I feel more respect for JL than I do for KS. I hear he had the cahunas to approach EL and tell him there were a lot of disgruntled twenty-somethings in the church who felt they were lied to by EL and who were thinking of leaving unless he did something to address this issue. (Which is an issue for MANY of us)

That said, just look at the interesting names these people give their children. It gives you an idea of their mindset...and read their bios on their website. "They always planned to be in the ministry together" says it all -- this is THEIR plan. Hopefully they can bring God in on it.

Finally, seeing the note on the bottom that the website is "built with pride". Yep. That also says a lot.

My only feeling is that it is good they are going.

 

[BALAAM]

Were I to be completely honest, I would have to say I don't particularly wish them well. I feel KS and his wife know nothing other than their life in a bubble, where they are legends in their own minds and where everything has always been handed to them because of "who" they are.

Although I don't have any connection to any of them in any way, I feel more respect for JL than I do for KS. I hear he had the cahunas to approach EL and tell him there were a lot of disgruntled twenty-somethings in the church who felt they were lied to by EL and who were thinking of leaving unless he did something to address this issue. (Which is an issue for MANY of us)

That said, just look at the interesting names these people give their children. It gives you an idea of their mindset...and read their bios on their website. "They always planned to be in the ministry together" says it all -- this is THEIR plan. Hopefully they can bring God in on it.

Finally, seeing the note on the bottom that the website is "built with pride". Yep. That also says a lot.

My only feeling is that it is good they are going.

This is kind of humorous because it is so true. For the last 5 or 6 years Kenny is used to walking out on the platform at hac with hundreds of screaming and adoring fans willing to stand in line for his autograph (signing bibles) or make an appointment with him for his age old wisdom. I'm sure there are many who would lick his feet if asked and all the while proclaim what a great preacher he is! Real churches are not like that.

And frankly, I have listened to a lot of his messages because he was so praised and I have to tell ya, they are not that great. Not a lot of biblical wisdom there or food for a flock. A lot of emotion and hollering but that gets old mighty quick.

EL is another story. He reminds me of the spokesmen for a political party. You just try to tow the party line and say and spin everything so as not to do any damage without saying anything at all. Come on Ed. Grow a pair!

 

[qwerty]

First you teach pastoral theology, then you become a pastor....  that's how it works, right?

Goes right along with his degree that was manufactured for him because of lack of credits.

 

[Sherryh]

Qwerty I was waiting for your words....so in 5 years or less we will not know who they are....I'm not shocked...

 

[bgwilkinson]

Did you notice in his information that he mentions his "grandfather and dad" but never mentions them by name?

If your father and grandfather were infamous IFBs as well as an embarrassment to Christianity in general you wouldn't want to use their names in publicity for your new organization. IMHO

Their names are no longer used in a positive way in Hammond.

Hyles as well?

Bro. Hyles was my pastor for most of my adult years. So much of what he taught and practiced was blatant heresy or worse blasphemy against God The Holy Spirit.

Much of his teaching was designed to build himself up in our eyes and as a defense  against his accusers.

Those of us older members are slowly recovering, but we have a long way to go. His name is not held in high regard among us as it once was.

It will be a good thing for all reminders of our two former pastors to fade into just a distant memory.

 

[sword]

Some of the largest  Baptist churches in America in the 50's & 50's helped start & support small churches in their area. These churches quickly became independent & self supporting.

Today many of those large churches have changed brands & styles but the churches they started continue as ifb churches. If I recall at least 5 of the churches started by Temple Baptist in Detroit (Norris & Vick) survive today & are doing well.

Seems like this model worked well back in the day.

 

[16KJV11]

Did you notice in his information that he mentions his "grandfather and dad" but never mentions them by name?

If your father and grandfather were infamous IFBs as well as an embarrassment to Christianity in general you wouldn't want to use their names in publicity for your new organization. IMHO

Their names are no longer used in a positive way in Hammond.

Hyles as well?

Bro. Hyles was my pastor for most of my adult years. So much of what he taught and practiced was blatant heresy or worse blasphemy against God The Holy Spirit.

Much of his teaching was designed to build himself up in our eyes and as a defense  against his accusers.

Those of us older members are slowly recovering, but we have a long way to go. His name is not held in high regard among us as it once was.

It will be a good thing for all reminders of our two former pastors to fade into just a distant memory.

Is this a revelation that has occurred since the Schaap debacle or have the seeds of overthrowing the memory of Hyles been implanted way before then?
IOW, is this a recent decision?
Also, has Wilkerson been distancing himself from Bro. Hyles too?
Question three: how soon do you think that Lapina will be La bye bye?
Or is he like the communist party member behind the scenes that really makes the decisions, and Wilkerson is the pawn putting up with the hierarchy?

 

[Still There]

Reading posts:

1.  Didn't enjoy hearing KS & JL screaming through their so called "sermons".  Heard them once and that was all I needed.  So glad they're leaving.  They will get a rude awakening when they find that the money train will come to an end and they will have to get a real job and work.  You can't support 5 families and their kids on support.  If they don't they'll flop. 

2.  Wishing Lapina would leave soon.  At the beginning of all this, I kind of felt sorry for him with the burden of the church and finances on him.  Then the true stories of his scheeming started coming out.  Don't trust him.  His rein is over and it's time for him to leave. 

3.  Pastor Wilkerson needs to clean the houses of his church.  Time to get rid of the dead weight of the people who have ridden on the coat tales of the church for many years.  Won't name names but there are many people that need to go.  Time for him to bring in his own people and staff.  I had heard that one of his staff members from CA wouldn't come unless EL was gone.

It's time for FBC to stop the Schaap era and yes Bro. Hyles era.  It's a fresh new church.  Out with the old and in with the new. 

 

[16KJV11]

Reading posts:
Pastor Wilkerson needs to clean the houses of his church.  Time to get rid of the dead weight of the people who have ridden on the coat tales of the church for many years.  Won't name names but there are many people that need to go. 

Name names, please!
Don't be shy! 8)

 

[BALAAM]

This is a little off the theme here but this is one of the things that has always bothered me a little when I hear of a group of families going out to raise support to start a church in the US.

I have heard different figures over the years but I think something like 80% of all of the money raised in the US for Christian ministries is spent inside of the US. I could not support something like this even though I am not against what they are doing. I just wish these guys would move the Ohio, get jobs, start a church, and slowly pull back from their secular work when the church can support them.

What is wrong with this? JH used to teach that you don't need an assistant pastor until you are running around 200 people consistently. This guy already has 4 assistant pastors and hasn't had his first service yet.