Keeping Up Appearances - No Matter The Cost

[Ransom]

cave_dweller said:

A doctrinal issue and personal issue are very different. If you can't understand that then you need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer

Oh, come on.  Do you think PCC just made up their female dress code out of thin air? Do you think it has nothing whatever to do with the Bible?

This "personal issue" of female modesty is a doctrinal issue.  If you can't understand that, then you have no business interjecting your ignorant and uninformed criticisms into this thread.

 

[Castor Muscular]

A doctrinal issue and personal issue are very different. If you can't understand that then you need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer 

When you learn to balance a tack hammer on your head, you will be able to head off your foes with a balanced attack. 

~The Sphinx. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

JrChurch said:

If your kids aren't going to school there, WHO CARES what the schools are teaching...who the teachers are...what the kids wear....what the cafeteria serves.  If you aren't footing the bill for someone's tuition at one of those schools, why should you or ANYONE care what they do/say/think/print/believe?

Exactly right! Because if there's anything Christian's aren't, it's their brother's keeper. Right?

Is posting on the fff keeping your brother?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Do you realize how small you look when you come on here and bash these schools. Who cares what they do?? I am sure they have rules that do not make sense, but I am sure you do as well in your own life. It doesn't take much to come on this site behind a computer screen and attack another. I do not believe this is how a Christian should act, because anyone can find fault and tear down.

Would you then "bash" any public schools that teach evolution or sex education?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Do you realize how small you look when you come on here and bash these schools. Who cares what they do?? I am sure they have rules that do not make sense, but I am sure you do as well in your own life. It doesn't take much to come on this site behind a computer screen and attack another. I do not believe this is how a Christian should act, because anyone can find fault and tear down.

Would you then "bash" any public schools that teach evolution or sex education?

I wouldn't.
But I would and have removed my children from such...
Used the same rationale when it came to choosing their colleges...didn't consider PCC, BJU, Hyles...etc....

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

I will not stay silent just to make you happy.

This has nothing to do with my personal happiness. Trust me, I don't lose sleep over this,  I just find it somewhat comical that you have nothing better to do.

If IFBx schools are doing horrible things, it needs to be discussed.

If they are doing something illegal then you should probally call the Escambia County Sherrifs Office. Once again I go back to the smallness of your actions. As if what you are doing is going to have an impact.

Perhaps you will find it less boring if you just skip threads that offend you.

Again this does not upset or offend me. It is comical. I am glad though that you have my well being in mind though. NEWSFLASH! I didn't know if you were aware that there is a PCC forum. If you are going slander you might as well do it in the appropriate place.

Pensacola Christian College values the lives of these women so little that they require them to change clothes before fleeing a fire, and all you two think is we should not criticize.

Well if they really devalue these poor young ladies lives then I think you really have stumbled upon something here. I think we need to grab the local news so that the sensationalizing can begin promptly. I mean what father would be so stupid to send his little girl there. And to think, you are responsible for the awareness on this issue. Thankyou for choosing your precious limited time to help open our eyes to the vicious nature of this school. (sarcasm)

Truth is not slander

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Do you realize how small you look when you come on here and bash these schools. Who cares what they do?? I am sure they have rules that do not make sense, but I am sure you do as well in your own life. It doesn't take much to come on this site behind a computer screen and attack another. I do not believe this is how a Christian should act, because anyone can find fault and tear down.

Would you then "bash" any public schools that teach evolution or sex education?

I wouldn't.
But I would and have removed my children from such...
Used the same rationale when it came to choosing their colleges...didn't consider PCC, BJU, Hyles...etc....

And "choosing not to" is different than "bashing".

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Do you realize how small you look when you come on here and bash these schools. Who cares what they do?? I am sure they have rules that do not make sense, but I am sure you do as well in your own life. It doesn't take much to come on this site behind a computer screen and attack another. I do not believe this is how a Christian should act, because anyone can find fault and tear down.

Would you then "bash" any public schools that teach evolution or sex education?

I wouldn't.
But I would and have removed my children from such...
Used the same rationale when it came to choosing their colleges...didn't consider PCC, BJU, Hyles...etc....

And "choosing not to" is different than "bashing".

I 'choose not' to bash either extreme.....

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

JrChurch said:

If your kids aren't going to school there, WHO CARES what the schools are teaching...who the teachers are...what the kids wear....what the cafeteria serves.  If you aren't footing the bill for someone's tuition at one of those schools, why should you or ANYONE care what they do/say/think/print/believe?

Exactly right! Because if there's anything Christian's aren't, it's their brother's keeper. Right?

Is posting on the fff keeping your brother?

It could be considered warning your brother. Any potential students need to know their safety comes in second place behind extra-biblical modesty standards...

Can you imagine? The building is on fire and some RA is busy writing up demerit slips for dress standards violations!!! How is this situation  defendable?

Oh, it is not...which is why the wannabe defenders are trying to shift the topic to me instead.

 

[christundivided]

Do you realize how small you look when you come on here and bash these schools. Who cares what they do?? I am sure they have rules that do not make sense, but I am sure you do as well in your own life. It doesn't take much to come on this site behind a computer screen and attack another. I do not believe this is how a Christian should act, because anyone can find fault and tear down.

Would you then "bash" any public schools that teach evolution or sex education?

I wouldn't.
But I would and have removed my children from such...
Used the same rationale when it came to choosing their colleges...didn't consider PCC, BJU, Hyles...etc....

And "choosing not to" is different than "bashing".

I 'choose not' to bash either extreme.....

No. You're just rather "imply" than "apply" just about anything....

 

[weaker-brother]

...The prophet's dorm at HAC when the fire started on the bottom floor.

I was dressed, or the first thing I would have done was put my pants on.
Really, if that 10 seconds meant my life, there wasn't much chance to make it out anyway.

The second thing I would have done was grab my keys and wallet.  But they were on my person already that day.
We were not allowed to get back into the dorm to get *anything* for a couple days--there had an ozone generator going for I forget how long.  I remember taking a couple guys who didn't grab their keys and wallet to the store that
afternoon, loaning some money for clothes. 

One fellow was in the shower--I will withhold his name--and got out with pajamas and a blue plaid bathrobe.  Temporarily, the school opened the cafeteria between meals for displaced people till they got things sorted out,
and there he sat, in the cafeteria in his bathrobe and slippers, trying to look as though everything was fine, while hundreds of people dressed up came in and out for lunch.  Not going to be me--ever.

So I guess I look at someone who is trying to make an issue out of a single statement in the rulebook at some christian college as sort of silly--trying to build it up into a conflict and find some way to prove modesty will kill you, if taken too far.

There may be some small chance that this happens and I seriously doubt demerits will be issued to you are running out of a building with your clothes on fire.  Mostly I would think that the majority of people in a dorm when the fire alarm goes off, have plenty of time to take 10 seconds and put a robe on, at least.

So if the modesty-at-all-times rule is your only objection to going to a certain school, then you really don't have much of a case.  Tempest in a teapot.

I remember the day the Prophet's dorm caught fire very well for another reason than just the fire.  That day, sitting in the cafeteria with a special girl, I proposed, and she has been my companion these last 30-plus years.

Weaker

 

[christundivided]

...The prophet's dorm at HAC when the fire started on the bottom floor.

I was dressed, or the first thing I would have done was put my pants on.
Really, if that 10 seconds meant my life, there wasn't much chance to make it out anyway.

The second thing I would have done was grab my keys and wallet.  But they were on my person already that day.
We were not allowed to get back into the dorm to get *anything* for a couple days--there had an ozone generator going for I forget how long.  I remember taking a couple guys who didn't grab their keys and wallet to the store that
afternoon, loaning some money for clothes. 

One fellow was in the shower--I will withhold his name--and got out with pajamas and a blue plaid bathrobe.  Temporarily, the school opened the cafeteria between meals for displaced people till they got things sorted out,
and there he sat, in the cafeteria in his bathrobe and slippers, trying to look as though everything was fine, while hundreds of people dressed up came in and out for lunch.  Not going to be me--ever.

So I guess I look at someone who is trying to make an issue out of a single statement in the rulebook at some christian college as sort of silly--trying to build it up into a conflict and find some way to prove modesty will kill you, if taken too far.

There may be some small chance that this happens and I seriously doubt demerits will be issued to you are running out of a building with your clothes on fire.  Mostly I would think that the majority of people in a dorm when the fire alarm goes off, have plenty of time to take 10 seconds and put a robe on, at least.

So if the modesty-at-all-times rule is your only objection to going to a certain school, then you really don't have much of a case.  Tempest in a teapot.

I remember the day the Prophet's dorm caught fire very well for another reason than just the fire.  That day, sitting in the cafeteria with a special girl, I proposed, and she has been my companion these last 30-plus years.

Weaker

Enjoyed your sermon...... It still doesn't explain why in the world you would have such a policy. I am certain that most anyone would put clothes on if they had the time. Yet, making it a policy.... is just downright stupid. I will add.... that if you told my daughter such nonsense..... I might just be on your doorstep the next day wanting to know just how far you would like my foot up your beehind. My daughter's life is not yours to play with.

 

[subllibrm]

One fellow was in the shower--I will withhold his name--and got out with pajamas and a blue plaid bathrobe.  Temporarily, the school opened the cafeteria between meals for displaced people till they got things sorted out, and there he sat, in the cafeteria in his bathrobe and slippers, trying to look as though everything was fine, while hundreds of people dressed up came in and out for lunch.  Not going to be me--ever.

Why? (to the bolded statement) I could be misunderstanding your point but it sounds pretty snooty (at best) if not downright judgmental.

Better yet, why didn't you get him some clothes if his emergency "attire" was so unacceptable to you?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I think more of my dog than to send him to PCC.  What a waste of time and money for a piece of paper that is absolutely worthless.  I know a few PCC grads and they are dumber than a fence post.  IMVVVHO

I know a few of their graduates who have done very well for themselves....but the dress code for evacuating a burning building is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard about! 

 

[cave_dweller]

It could be considered warning your brother. Any potential students need to know their safety comes in second place behind extra-biblical modesty standards...

Can you imagine? The building is on fire and some RA is busy writing up demerit slips for dress standards violations!!! How is this situation  defendable?

Oh, it is not...which is why the wannabe defenders are trying to shift the topic to me instead.
You are taking this to the extreme and you know it. The funny thing is, I really don't think you realize how petty and pathetic you are.

 

[Ransom]

A doctrinal issue and personal issue are very different. If you can't understand that then you need to be hit in the head with a tack hammer

and

You are taking this to the extreme and you know it. The funny thing is, I really don't think you realize how petty and pathetic you are.

OK, now I've spotted your M.O. First you make a very general statement, then you insult someone's intelligence.

This, for you, is a valid substitute for actual arguments?

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

It could be considered warning your brother. Any potential students need to know their safety comes in second place behind extra-biblical modesty standards...

Can you imagine? The building is on fire and some RA is busy writing up demerit slips for dress standards violations!!! How is this situation  defendable?

Oh, it is not...which is why the wannabe defenders are trying to shift the topic to me instead.
You are taking this to the extreme and you know it. The funny thing is, I really don't think you realize how petty and pathetic you are.

Having concern for the safety of women in the dorms is not extreme. Requiring women to change clothes before escaping a fire is.

 

[weaker-brother]

One fellow was in the shower--I will withhold his name--and got out with pajamas and a blue plaid bathrobe.  Temporarily, the school opened the cafeteria between meals for displaced people till they got things sorted out, and there he sat, in the cafeteria in his bathrobe and slippers, trying to look as though everything was fine, while hundreds of people dressed up came in and out for lunch.  Not going to be me--ever.

Why? (to the bolded statement) I could be misunderstanding your point but it sounds pretty snooty (at best) if not downright judgmental.

Better yet, why didn't you get him some clothes if his emergency "attire" was so unacceptable to you?

not snooty at all.  And judgemental? I do not understand what anything I said would be judgmental about any person.  I'm saying I'm going to put my pants on first.  Yeah, realistically, if woke up to my bed being on fire, I would get out of the bed before getting the pants.
By grabbing my wallet and keys which I have in that day's clothes by the bed,  enables me not to be in that position of sitting in the dining hall in my PJ's.

As for why I didn't offer to get him clothes if his attire was so unacceptable to me?  I did, as he was one of my closest friends, but a staff member about the same size who lived nearby had already left campus to get him some clothes to borrow and he turned me down my offer for help.  A couple other guys took me up on it though.

He didn't want to disrespect the help he agreed to already, by me taking him to a store for clothes and the staff member not being able to find him when he returned with clothes.  He was really embarrassed though.

And for the record, there are reasons that I would not recommend PCC for my kids, but a rule about being modest for a fire drill is not among them.

Sermon?  I hope you are kidding.  I told a true story, on topic, that happened to me, and said I thought the idea of making an issue of the rule was silly.  That is a sermon?  Sorry you think so. 

I don't know you, so am not sure if you were being sarcastic about enjoying, or sarcastic about calling a post a sermon. Or if you weren't.  I said not going to be me ever because I would have gotten my pants and keys and wallet.
had he done so, he would have had options and not been sitting there embarrassed.  I felt bad for him sitting there red-faced because he had no options.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

I said not going to be me ever because I would have gotten my pants and keys and wallet.
had he done so, he would have had options and not been sitting there embarrassed.  I felt bad for him sitting there red-faced because he had no options.

Or he could have died, had he misjudged the location or veracity of the fire. A person in a dorm room might not know how dangerous the entire situation is.

Leaving without keys or a change of clothing is simply a bit of an inconvenience - nothing to risk safety over.

Requiring students to change clothing before exiting a burning building shows very mixed up priorities.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=weaker-brother]And for the record, there are reasons that I would not recommend PCC for my kids, but a rule about being modest for a fire drill is not among them.[/quote]

You only hope it is a drill.

Rule #1 when it comes to fire evacuation: Don't try to save property.