Jimmy Carter: Saved by the Blood of Jesus

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Executive Orders absolutely do act as law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_order

There’s also the state level legislatures. We have a federal system of government, it’s not just the Congress in DC that can make laws.

See stare decisis.

That’s not really accurate. I understand the traditional view of the judicial branch is that it interprets laws, but my point is that’s not the reality, which you fully realize: https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2018/supreme-court-justices-do-make-the-law/
Yes, yes, yes. I'm wondering about your reading comprehension level.

The statues rule. The legislature can nullify case law, and do often with Constitutional amendments and changes to the U.S. Code.

I'm aware of the state and federal jurisdictions, and alluded to it in all my responses. It seems to have escaped your notice.
 
The links copied over from the article. Did you even read the article you posted?
Yes. The video you posted seemed to solidify his stance against abortion. I’m not sure how that helps you. The other link was, I believe, referring to the fact that Carter appointed a strong anti-abortion Catholic as head of health services (or whatever the office was that mentioned). The last link was just a press statement by the Carter Center after the S.C. ruling, which was most likely not even issued by Carter himself, given his advanced age.
 
Yes, yes, yes. I'm wondering about your reading comprehension level.
I was wondering the same about you, LOL.
The statues rule. The legislature can nullify case law, and do often with Constitutional amendments and changes to the U.S. Code.
OK, I understand there are a couple ways to nullify a court decision, but you use the word “often,” which is completely misleading.
I'm aware of the state and federal jurisdictions, and alluded to it in all my responses. It seems to have escaped your notice.
Well, I wasn’t solely referring to your response in my reply.
 
Great response. I attend a more conservative IFB church for a few reasons. I’ll explain. A chief reason is the convenience of commute. I’m only a mile or two from the church, and I’m not a guy who will be faithful at getting up early on a Sunday morning and driving a long distance, so for the sake of being faithful to church attendance (not just for me, but my family as a whole), it’s important to have a short commute.

A second reason I attend a conservative church is because, spiritually speaking, I feel that I most align with the doctrine of an IFB church more so than a liberal leaning church. True, I compartmentalize some of the hot button topics you mentioned by separating my church vs state ideas, but that’s just me at this stage in life. Some have said that makes me a hypocrite, but that’s me being authentic about my views, even if seemingly contradictory.

A third reason I attend a conservative church is because I’m just plain ol’ more comfortable with it. It’s how I was raised and I’m not very comfortable in a more progressive setting with circling strobe lights and a loud rock band. I prefer a little more decorum and depth, not just a feel-good message with little explanation of the Bible.

A fourth reason I attend a conservative church is because I like what it’s doing in my own kid’s life. She’s made friends and, I would argue, is more spiritually fervent than I am. I won’t mess with God’s goodness in her life, even if I might not agree with all of the teachings.

Lastly, I attend because it’s where God has led me. My pastor has an obvious heart for me. I have a feeling I’m on his short list for prayer. I sometimes feel like I’m perceived as the guy who is on the “backslidden list,” but unlike some other IFB pastors I’ve experienced, he never scolds me like I’m a kid, he just welcomes me and offers occasional advice. For example, he recently (in a kind manner), suggested “as your pastor,” that I attend a different Sunday school class than the one I was planning to attend because he felt it would be more beneficial for me at my “stage.” I accepted his advice and am doing so. I understand that he means I’m not spiritually mature enough for that other class. No problem.
The complexity of why people attend church is sometimes difficult to sort through, as you just pointed out, but it is honorable that you choose to let your political/philosophical leanings be subservient to some other ethical and moral considerations for your family.
 
^^^How are you feeling about Trump these days compared to November last year?
I've never been a fan of Trump...but, with all that the Democrats have done and are still trying to do against him, if he gets the nomination I will gladly vote for him just to spite them. I'll NEVER cast a vote for a Democrat again...not even for local office.
 
and i think most people would agree that carter has been an excellent ex-president..... i only learned a few years ago that my dad actually voted for him in 1976 when he ran against gerald ford.... it was my dads first time to vote for president...... .reagan had run a primary against ford and almost got nominated.... . jimmie carter sold himself as a born again christian running against an unelected washington insider and an ex-movie actor...... my dad said that as a fundamental baptist... .hearing all that... his choice was clear.....

but then in 1980 he voted for ronald reagan...... and says he was feeling the same way about the world and the country as you did until reagan took office.... and the country did a 180 degree turn around.. ...everything was better..... he became a republican too and has never voted for a democrat since..... .not even when he was mad at george bush the 2nd and my sister and i were making noise and threatening to vote democrat... ..... (but we didn;t.... we voted republican... even though it didn;t matter in hawaii...)...

i was born when reagan was president.... but don;t remember any of it.... and don;t even remember much about george bush the first though i had learned in grade school he was the president.... .... i came to hawaii when clinton was already president and prior to that had virtually no exposure to politics... ... until i started school i thought america had a king and it was elvis presley... ...coz when i asked who was in the painting on black velvet above my moms bed she told me it was the king.... and that his name was elvis presley..... i had no idea he had been dead for over a decade already.....
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Your dad and I must be near in age because I remember when Ford and Carter ran. I was in college and that was my first election too. But I guess Reagan TRIED to get the nomination that go around BECAUSE he came to my college for a big rally. I remember it was held in the gym at the college and it was a BIG deal. That was 1976 or 77, I don't remember. Ford won the nomination and lost to Carter. Like your dad, I voted for Reagan the next time and Republican ever sense EXCEPT for my momentary loss of sanity when I voted for Obama the FIRST time.

President Carter is a great example that good morals and consistent character do not guarantee consistently wise decisions and great leadership.

Nevertheless, when it's announced in the next few years that he has gone to sleep, I will bow my head and tip my hat.
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I've never been a fan of Trump...but, with all that the Democrats have done and are still trying to do against him, if he gets the nomination I will gladly vote for him just to spite them. I'll NEVER cast a vote for a Democrat again...not even for local office.

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Above, I said to Aleshanee that "good morals and consistent character do not guarantee consistently wise decisions and great leadership". And I also believe that bad morals and a consistent brash exterior do not necesarriy mean that one can't be a great leader. And I think he's a great example of that. Since I will be voting for the leader of the free world and not a sunday school teacher, I will DEFINTELY vote for him if he were to win the nomination. Although, as I have said in other posts, I don't think we will be told he won. I sure hope I'm wrong about that.
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I've never been a fan of Trump...but, with all that the Democrats have done and are still trying to do against him, if he gets the nomination I will gladly vote for him just to spite them. I'll NEVER cast a vote for a Democrat again...not even for local office.
Same here. I voted for Trump and I will again, but I’m not convinced he’s electable. I’m also not going to hold my tongue about how he’d be much more electable if he’d be willing to be a little more humble and not self sabotage.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

I haven't voted for anyone since 1988. My votes have always been against someone.
 
I think this article gives a fair assessment of President Carter’s presidency—successes and failures. I think this one particular quote sums it up best and is, to the chagrin of many, the reason historians are continually ranking his presidency higher with time (similar to Truman):

“He had two and a half, three good years, and then he had the worst last year possible,” Anderson said. “And a lot of it has nothing to do with him. But we often think of him looking back on the last part, not the first part, of his administration.”

Despite his missteps, Carter’s presidency was more consequential than most recall, Anderson said.

Here is the article in its entirety: https://artsci.tamu.edu/news/2023/03/how-will-we-remember-jimmy-carter.html
 
I think this article gives a fair assessment of President Carter’s presidency—successes and failures. I think this one particular quote sums it up best and is, to the chagrin of many, the reason historians are continually ranking his presidency higher with time (similar to Truman):

“He had two and a half, three good years, and then he had the worst last year possible,” Anderson said. “And a lot of it has nothing to do with him. But we often think of him looking back on the last part, not the first part, of his administration.”

Despite his missteps, Carter’s presidency was more consequential than most recall, Anderson said.

Here is the article in its entirety: https://artsci.tamu.edu/news/2023/03/how-will-we-remember-jimmy-carter.html
At the beginning of the Hostage crisis, it seemed like Carter was growing a backbone and showing some leadership but this quickly went away when all we saw was indecisiveness and lack of action. There are two things you could give a rabid follower of Ayatollah Khomeini: a Bible and a Bullet! President Reagan understood this and the Iranians knew they would be in deep tata if they continued their shenanigans once he took office!
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

I haven't voted for anyone since 1988. My votes have always been against someone.

That's the Canadian election experience in a nutshell.

It's a bit difficult in my constituency, though, where the choices on the ballot tend to be Satan, Satan, Satan, an idiot, and Satan. I'm never quite sure which one I'm voting against.
 
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Your dad and I must be near in age because I remember when Ford and Carter ran. I was in college and that was my first election too. But I guess Reagan TRIED to get the nomination that go around BECAUSE he came to my college for a big rally. I remember it was held in the gym at the college and it was a BIG deal. That was 1976 or 77, I don't remember. Ford won the nomination and lost to Carter. Like your dad, I voted for Reagan the next time and Republican ever sense EXCEPT for my momentary loss of sanity when I voted for Obama the FIRST time.

President Carter is a great example that good morals and consistent character do not guarantee consistently wise decisions and great leadership.

Nevertheless, when it's announced in the next few years that he has gone to sleep, I will bow my head and tip my hat.
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i think so...probably very close to the same age.... .... he always tells us he was born when classic 57 chevys were still on their first set of tires.....:sneaky: ...i know he admires what carter has done in his later years... .. .and he says he had nothing against him when he first took office.... but 2 things carter did made my dad and most people he knew change their minds about him..... giving vietnam draft dodgers amnesty and betraying taiwan to cozy up to china..... .....his wife is from taiwan and says the name carter is practically a dirty word there....

there were plenty of other things as well - like giving away the panama canal... the disastrous camp david accords.. ..immigration policy decisions that went against what a clear majority of americans wanted.. ..and etc..... the whole iran crisis and disaster etc.... ..... but those first 2 things i mentioned... the first of which occured within weeks of carter taking office.. showed a callous disregard for people who had been loyal to america and to american ideals of freedom... ..and a willingness to sell good people out to come off as mr nice guy to the wrong people.... ...same way my dad believes pence would conduct himself if he became president....
 
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What’s always funny to me is when I hear a young person squawking like a little parrot about who the best and worst presidents are. Carter is always an easy target simply because he’s still a contemporary figure. They often say something like this: “President Carter was the worst president until Biden came along and rescued him from dead last place!” It’s always apparent the little parrot has no understanding of American history and just repeats what was heard from the parents. So…Carter is worse than the guy who ushered in the Great Depression? The American Civil War? Decades of legalized segregation after slavery ended? Etc.? Cute little parrot….😎 https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/06/30/presidential-rankings-2021-cspan-historians/
 
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“You only have to have two loves in your life: for God, and for the person in front of you at any particular time.”
― Jimmy Carter
Kinda like having a quote from Adam, or Lot, or Saul as a signature :unsure::D

You really find this guy 'inspiring'? What gives? Honestly, what gives? It can't be his leadership, which you concede was a disaster. And as far as his Christianity is concerned, what stands out from the myriads of other lukewarm, nominal pew stuffers of the West? Carl, from two doors down, say?

I really want to know.
 
Kinda like having a quote from Adam, or Lot, or Saul as a signature :unsure::D

You really find this guy 'inspiring'? What gives? Honestly, what gives? It can't be his leadership, which you concede was a disaster. And as far as his Christianity is concerned, what stands out from the myriads of other lukewarm, nominal pew stuffers of the West? Carl, from two doors down, say?

I really want to know.
Okay…you asked. I’ll start with the cons before the pros.

1. He was known as a micromanager. Maybe this was learned behavior from being the eldest on the family farm, maybe it was from his military experience, who knows, but nonetheless, one man can’t run an entire country by himself and must let go of trust issues at some point to get the job done. I don’t, as you say, believe it was an example of “disaster.”

2. He should have had more of a “big stick” philosophy. Obviously, the Iran hostage crisis plays testament to that.

3. Biblically speaking, there are a few areas he takes liberties with in his interpretation of Scripture. To his credit, he’s usually pretty good about differentiating what he believes when it’s not explicitly written in the Bible, but he seems to go a little rogue at times, especially for a Baptist.

On to the positives:

1. Unlike many other presidents, Carter wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I admire folks who can make it to the top without the benefit of daddy and Grandaddy’s money. In fact, he was the first person to graduate from high school in his family, but went well beyond that by graduating from the Naval Academy and then attending graduate school at Georgia Tech.

2. Unlike many recent presidents, he served his country in the military.

3. He sacrificed his chosen career to help his family save its business/farm.

4. He was a pioneer of civil rights in the South at a time when it was political suicide.

5. He won the presidency despite being relatively unknown outside of the state of Georgia. He actually started off 12th in polling and yet ended up winning the highest office in the land.

6. He was the first president to really push human rights and fair worldwide elections.

7. Camp David Accords. (Very few younger people have any clue how big a deal this was.)

8. He created the Departments of Energy and Education.

9. He pioneered early conservation projects.

10. Nobel Peace Prize winner.

11. Unlike a recent president who has been married multiple times and hung out with high-priced hookers, Carter’s been married for 77 years and, to the best of knowledge, never even cheated on her.

12. He’s never attempted to profit off of his presidency like others. He doesn’t charge $500,000 per speech. He’s basically only made money via working as an author (and not by using a ghost writer either).

13. Habitat for Humanity—and he doesn’t just make PR appearances. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jimmy-carter-habitat-for-humanity-history-the-carter-work-project/

14. Decades of faithful church attendance and service. This guy even continued teaching Sunday School while he was president! https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/01/politics/jimmy-carter-religion-what-matters/index.html

15. He took care of his family. Whether it was rescuing the family farm, raising his children, or holding his wife in high regard, he always set a biblical example.
 
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