Jimmy Carter: Saved by the Blood of Jesus

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HukNduck said:
“Only Congress can create law,” you say? You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of U.S. law. Are you familiar with common law? Executive orders? Statutory law? Etc?
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/522726-the-supreme-court-does-make-law/amp/

Let’s return to middle school civics class:

As governor, Reagan actually made getting abortions easier,
although as president he became more against it: https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...-on-abortion-key-legacy-to-pro-life-movement/
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are we talking about governors or presidents here?... it;s well known reagan was more liberal in his early years than he was when he became president.... carter was a peanut farmer somewhere back in his past...... so what;s your point?.......

and no..... executive orders are not estabished law..... . only the democrats and other liberals pretend they are........ supreme court decisions can be overturned by future courts and therefor not established law either..... but carter and company went about supporting row vrs wade as if it had been written into the bill of rights by congress......

and you can post all the opinion pieces from the hill - and youtube propaganda videos you want..... it doesn;t change the fact that when confronted with history you don;t know half as much as you pretend you do..... you have nothing more than opinions to back up your facts.... yours and the opinions of liberal activists....

neither of us was there or can remember what happened when carter was president.... .but i do know a lot of people who were alive during that time and who rmember it vividly.... ...some of whom who were military and actually served during the carter years...... what i know and what i repeat are things i have learned from them... there are also people on this forum who are old enough to rmember the carter years.... ... so you can dispense with all your condescending comments about returning to middle school civics class. ...
 
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HukNduck said:
You’re right about the timing, but I’m also referring to the budget compared to his predecessor (Ford). Carter raised the budget. That’s why people were upset with him and saying he didn’t keep his campaign promise: https://digitalcollections.library.gsu.edu/digital/api/collection/AFLCIO/id/67342/download
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ok.... and i was talking about the situations that existed in america and within the military that led iranian extremists to attack and take over the u.s embassy in 1979.....(a clear act of war in the minds of many).... .. and also what led to the fact that the military could not even find a pair of c-130s and a few helicopters that would remain airworthy long enough to carry out a single mission in mid 1980...... . ...you knew that and declared what i said about it false..... ... then you referred to a late in the game defense budget increase carter made when he realized he could lose to ronald reagan in that years election as your evidence..... . i don;t believe a student of the law made that mistake out of ignorance...... ... i think it was disingenuous at best..... ..and possibly just downright dirty dishonesty... ...like i said - keep on fishing and hunting your ducks... .. everybody should have something that can do that they are good at..... . . honest discourse does not seem to be your forte'... ...
 
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aleshanee said:
are we talking about governors or presidents here?... it;s well known reagan was more liberal in his early years than he was when he became president.... carter was a peanut farmer somewhere back in his past...... so what;s your point?......
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I accurately pointed that out to his credit.
aleshanee said:
and no..... executive orders are not estabished law..... . only the democrats and other liberals pretend they are........ supreme court decisions can be overturned by future courts and therefor not established law either.
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EOs do carry the power of law, even if temporarily. Also, the Constitution can be amended…so not sure where you’re going with this.
aleshanee said:
and you can post all the opinion pieces from the hill - and youtube propaganda videos you want..... it doesn;t change the fact that when confronted with history you don;t know half as much as you pretend you do..... you have nothing more than opinions to back up your facts.... yours and the opinions of liberal activists
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I linked an article with congressional budget figures, but okay, that’s an opinion, I guess.
aleshanee said:
neither of us was there or can remember what happened when carter was president.... .but i do know a lot of people who were alive during that time and who rmember it vividly.... ...some of whom who were military and actually served during the carter years...... what i know and what i repeat are things i have learned from them... there are also people on this forum who are old enough to rmember the carter years.... ... so you can dispense with all your condescending comments about returning to middle school civics class.
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I was alive while Carter was still president, but admittedly I wasn’t old enough to understand presidential politics. However, I also wasn’t alive during the Civil War but I still have opinions on the subject. Besides, just being alive during the era doesn’t mean someone is correct or incorrect, it just means they were alive.
 
aleshanee said:
ok.... and i was talking about the situations that existed in america and within the military that led iranian extremists to attack and take over the u.s embassy in 1979.....(a clear act of war in the minds of many).... .. and also what led to the fact that the military could not even find a pair of c-130s and a few helicopters that would remain airworthy long enough to carry out a single mission in mid 1980...... . ...you knew that and declared what i said about it false..... ... then you referred to a late in the game defense budget increase carter made when he realized he could lose to ronald reagan in that years election as your evidence..... . i don;t believe a student of the law made that mistake out of ignorance...... ... i think it was disingenuous at best..... ..and possibly just downright dirty dishonesty... ...like i said - keep on fishing and hunting your ducks... .. everybody should have something that can do that they are good at..... . . honest discourse does not seem to be your forte'... ...
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Carter screwed up with the Iranian crisis. I’m not defending that. But it wouldn’t be accurate to say it’s because he slashed the budget when he actually was increasing it.
 
aleshanee said:
are we talking about governors or presidents here?... it;s well known reagan was more liberal in his early years than he was when he became president.... carter was a peanut farmer somewhere back in his past...... so what;s your point?.......

and no..... executive orders are not estabished law..... . only the democrats and other liberals pretend they are........ supreme court decisions can be overturned by future courts and therefor not established law either..... but carter and company went about supporting row vrs wade as if it had been written into the bill of rights by congress......

and you can post all the opinion pieces from the hill - and youtube propaganda videos you want..... it doesn;t change the fact that when confronted with history you don;t know half as much as you pretend you do..... you have nothing more than opinions to back up your facts.... yours and the opinions of liberal activists....

neither of us was there or can remember what happened when carter was president.... .but i do know a lot of people who were alive during that time and who rmember it vividly.... ...some of whom who were military and actually served during the carter years...... what i know and what i repeat are things i have learned from them... there are also people on this forum who are old enough to rmember the carter years.... ... so you can dispense with all your condescending comments about returning to middle school civics class. ...
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I was in High School during the Carter administration and can tell you all I could think of regarding the future was "Doom and Gloom," that gas would reach around $5/gallon, I would never be able to afford a college education, and communism would eventually take over the world. In 1980, I watched Ronald Reagan's nomination acceptance speech at the Republican convention and all of a sudden that dark cloud just vanished! At that very moment, I became a Republican and have never once looked back! I was only 17 at the time though so I couldn't vote for him until his second term and by that time, I was in the Navy and he was my Commander-In-Chief!

Carter is likely one of the nicest human beings you would ever want to meet but he was a horrible president and as a Baptist, his doctrine and theological liberalness is atrocious but he does have my vote for being the best "Ex-President" in our nation's history and I mean this in a good way.
 
HukNduck said:
Carter screwed up with the Iranian crisis. I’m not defending that. But it wouldn’t be accurate to say it’s because he slashed the budget when he actually was increasing it.
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Carter screwed up the Iran hostage crisis because he micro-managed the military. Reagan had his "Big Stick" diplomacy and our enemies knew he meant business! Had the time ever come, he would have just turned us loose and let us do our thing!
 
Baptist Renegade said:
I was in High School during the Carter administration and can tell you all I could think of regarding the future was "Doom and Gloom," that gas would reach around $5/gallon, I would never be able to afford a college education, and communism would eventually take over the world. In 1980, I watched Ronald Reagan's nomination acceptance speech at the Republican convention and all of a sudden that dark cloud just vanished! At that very moment, I became a Republican and have never once looked back! I was only 17 at the time though so I couldn't vote for him until his second term and by that time, I was in the Navy and he was my Commander-In-Chief!

Carter is likely one of the nicest human beings you would ever want to meet but he was a horrible president and as a Baptist, his doctrine and theological liberalness is atrocious but he does have my vote for being the best "Ex-President" in our nation's history and I mean this in a good way.
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I can respect that. I know he inherited an economy on the decline from Ford and unfortunately, some of his decisions made it worse instead of better.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
Carter screwed up the Iran hostage crisis because he micro-managed the military. Reagan had his "Big Stick" diplomacy and our enemies knew he meant business! Had the time ever come, he would have just turned us loose and let us do our thing!
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You’re right about that as well. Carter was infamously known as a micromanager even by his political friends.
 
Gringo said:
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Do you feel President Carter is an evil person?
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Sorry, I forgot about this...

Well, just look at who is extolling his so-called virtues. Huk appears to be keeping some strange company.

I certainly don't think Carter's faith is genuine. Even if it is, I think he was very weak, and his weakness served evil purposes. I'm certain Carter thinks it's genuine, but I think he's in for a rude awakening.

Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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Baptist Renegade said:
I was in High School during the Carter administration and can tell you all I could think of regarding the future was "Doom and Gloom," that gas would reach around $5/gallon, I would never be able to afford a college education, and communism would eventually take over the world. In 1980, I watched Ronald Reagan's nomination acceptance speech at the Republican convention and all of a sudden that dark cloud just vanished! At that very moment, I became a Republican and have never once looked back! I was only 17 at the time though so I couldn't vote for him until his second term and by that time, I was in the Navy and he was my Commander-In-Chief!

Carter is likely one of the nicest human beings you would ever want to meet but he was a horrible president and as a Baptist, his doctrine and theological liberalness is atrocious but he does have my vote for being the best "Ex-President" in our nation's history and I mean this in a good way.
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I was in Murfreesboro, Tn at a sign language camp when Reagan became President. I remember those murderous thugs in Iran let our hostages go. And the sun began to come out from behind the clouds . . .
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HukNduck said:
“Only Congress can create law,” you say? You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of U.S. law. Are you familiar with common law? Executive orders? Statutory law? Etc?
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:ROFLMAO:

First of all, executive orders and other types of administrative law are not law, and are only valid in the constraints of the chief law enforcement officer's role to enforce existing statutes. Statutory law is made by none other than the legislature, which, at the federal level, is congress. Common law, or case law, binds the courts in their interpretation of statutes to precedent, except in extreme cases and often in appeals to higher courts.

The executive and judicial branches cannot make law, but must operate within the confinement of a duly enacted statute, and only the legislatures...congress e.g...can do that.
 
Ekklesian said:
:ROFLMAO:

First of all, executive orders and other types of administrative law are not law, and are only valid in the constraints of the chief law enforcement officer's role to enforce existing statutes. Statutory law is made by none other than the legislature, which, at the federal level, is congress. Common law, or case law, binds the courts in their interpretation of statutes to precedent, except in extreme cases and often in appeals to higher courts.

The executive and judicial branches cannot make law, but must operate within the confinement of a duly enacted statute, and only the legislatures...congress e.g...can do that.
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Executive Orders absolutely do act as law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_order
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Statutory law is made by none other than the legislature, which, at the federal level, is congress.
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There’s also the state level legislatures. We have a federal system of government, it’s not just the Congress in DC that can make laws.
Ekklesian said:
Common law, or case law, binds the courts in their interpretation of statutes to precedent, except in extreme cases and often in appeals to higher courts.
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See stare decisis.
Ekklesian said:
The executive and judicial branches cannot make law, but must operate within the confinement of a duly enacted statute, and only the legislatures...congress e.g...can do that.
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That’s not really accurate. I understand the traditional view of the judicial branch is that it interprets laws, but my point is that’s not the reality, which you fully realize: https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2018/supreme-court-justices-do-make-the-law/
 
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Baptist Renegade said:
I was in High School during the Carter administration and can tell you all I could think of regarding the future was "Doom and Gloom," that gas would reach around $5/gallon, I would never be able to afford a college education, and communism would eventually take over the world. In 1980, I watched Ronald Reagan's nomination acceptance speech at the Republican convention and all of a sudden that dark cloud just vanished! At that very moment, I became a Republican and have never once looked back! I was only 17 at the time though so I couldn't vote for him until his second term and by that time, I was in the Navy and he was my Commander-In-Chief!

Carter is likely one of the nicest human beings you would ever want to meet but he was a horrible president and as a Baptist, his doctrine and theological liberalness is atrocious but he does have my vote for being the best "Ex-President" in our nation's history and I mean this in a good way.
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and i think most people would agree that carter has been an excellent ex-president..... i only learned a few years ago that my dad actually voted for him in 1976 when he ran against gerald ford.... it was my dads first time to vote for president...... .reagan had run a primary against ford and almost got nominated.... . jimmie carter sold himself as a born again christian running against an unelected washington insider and an ex-movie actor...... my dad said that as a fundamental baptist... .hearing all that... his choice was clear.....

but then in 1980 he voted for ronald reagan...... and says he was feeling the same way about the world and the country as you did until reagan took office.... and the country did a 180 degree turn around.. ...everything was better..... he became a republican too and has never voted for a democrat since..... .not even when he was mad at george bush the 2nd and my sister and i were making noise and threatening to vote democrat... ..... (but we didn;t.... we voted republican... even though it didn;t matter in hawaii...)...

i was born when reagan was president.... but don;t remember any of it.... and don;t even remember much about george bush the first though i had learned in grade school he was the president.... .... i came to hawaii when clinton was already president and prior to that had virtually no exposure to politics... ... until i started school i thought america had a king and it was elvis presley... ...coz when i asked who was in the painting on black velvet above my moms bed she told me it was the king.... and that his name was elvis presley..... i had no idea he had been dead for over a decade already.....
 
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HukNduck said:
I accurately pointed that out to his credit.

EOs do carry the power of law, even if temporarily. Also, the Constitution can be amended…so not sure where you’re going with this.

I linked an article with congressional budget figures, but okay, that’s an opinion, I guess.

I was alive while Carter was still president, but admittedly I wasn’t old enough to understand presidential politics. However, I also wasn’t alive during the Civil War but I still have opinions on the subject. Besides, just being alive during the era doesn’t mean someone is correct or incorrect, it just means they were alive.
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are we back on the faulty time table again?..... the money carter wanted for the military was too little and too late.... (did you forget you already conceded that?...). ...and it was done for the wrong reasons.... he only did it to try to improve his re-election chances.... and there is no reason to believe that if carter had won re-election he wouldn;t have turned around and defunded the military the following year.....

and amending the constitution takes a super majority of both congress and the sentate as well as the signature of the president... and ratification by the states....... .. not nearly as easy as a presidential exectuve order ... which only takes one man in the oval office to write.... and that one man can get a supreme court order reversed by successfully nominating the right person to the court.... ... so i don;t know where you are going with this...... you are comparing apples to circus elephants.... and trying to pretend they are the same.....

and as a private contractor to the u.s government working in a foreign country my dad was more than just a little bit alive during the carter administration.... ...carter policies and foul ups not only directly effected his job but also his safety.... he had a lot of friends and family in the military at that time... and a couple of those friends are regulars when he and a bunch of retired salvage and hard hat divers .. former military contractors etc... meet up at the dive barge to smoke cigars and talk story.. ..... ..i don;t usually hang out with them coz i get choked up by the smoke - plus i also make extra money cleaning and restocking the decompression chamber and supply lockers while we are there.... but i have listened in enough to know what their opinions of jimmie carter are and also how they think a few modern politicians... (like joe biden and mike pence)... compare to him....
 
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