Jim Vineyard

[Vince Massi]

Balaam, Old Buddy, let me help you out. Jim did not have a gang of violent students that he sent to beat up other students. The Roadway Gang attacked the first student (they dropped him off several miles from campus without beating him up) on their own. But Jim would not allow them to receive any punishment. They later kidnapped the same student, threatened repeatedly to kill him, and dropped him off again, still without Jim's authority. And Jim protected them.

They beat up two security guards who objected to their threatening students, and Jim protected them. They planned to"get" a student from a prominent family in Curtiss Hudson's church, the student organized a gang fight, the administration found out, and most of the Gangsters were expelled.

It was made clear that students who complained about being attacked by the gangsters would be labelled sex deviates by Jim Vineyard. (If he had put that slander on my record, I would have sued him). But Jim never ordered any violent attacks. He protected the students who were making the violent attacks.

You state that the students you knew would have stopped him. The students I knew DID stop him, and I was one of them. We were slandered from the chapel pulpit, slandered on our college records, and were not given awards we earned. We were not allowed to criticize, so Jim could lie about us all he wanted, and the students thought it was true.

 

[qwerty]

You went to work for someone that threatened to falsely slander individuals as sex deviates?

That's pretty warped...

 

[BALAAM]

You went to work for someone that threatened to falsely slander individuals as sex deviates?

That's pretty warped...

My wife's grandmother was a dear old pentecostal woman. Several times she begged us to drive her to her church at night when she got too old to drive in the dark.

We took her to a service one time and she wanted to stay for a short business meeting at the end. The church was have some internal problems and I will never forget what took place. One woman stood up to address the situation and she said, "As I was praying today about this the Lord told me thus and so."  After she finished someone else got up, looked at her, and said, "Well! I was praying today about this and the Lord told me this!" It was completely counter to the first lady. It became almost a brawl.

By the way, this has nothing to do at all with Pentecostals, but whenever someone tells me that the Lord told them to do something I always think of that.

 

[bgwilkinson]

You went to work for someone that threatened to falsely slander individuals as sex deviates?

That's pretty warped...

My wife's grandmother was a dear old pentecostal woman. Several times she begged us to drive her to her church at night when she got too old to drive in the dark.

We took her to a service one time and she wanted to stay for a short business meeting at the end. The church was have some internal problems and I will never forget what took place. One woman stood up to address the situation and she said, "As I was praying today about this the Lord told me thus and so."  After she finished someone else got up, looked at her, and said, "Well! I was praying today about this and the Lord told me this!" It was completely counter to the first lady. It became almost a brawl.

By the way, this has nothing to do at all with Pentecostals, but whenever someone tells me that the Lord told them to do something I always think of that.

If the Bible doesn't say it, it isn't God talking. Run from it.

 

[Allen45Fan]

Is the Roadway Gang and Vineyard's Gangsters the same group of people?

 

[Vince Massi]

The Roadway Gang were at the Chicago UPS. "Vineyard's Gangsters" was a general term for them, the gang at the Hammond UPS, and the ones on the campus.

 

[Allen45Fan]

I didn't know about UPS in Hammond. Where was it located and why didn't I work there instead of Chicago and then Bedford Park. Would have saved gas and time. Had some interesting nights going to work. First went to Jefferson St and worked on "A" Dock. When Bedford Park was started went there and made supervisor. Bad mistake, Bro Laurent said he was proud of me, Bro Combs told me not to take it. Wish I had listened to Bro Combs. Sorry don't mean to ramble. Just had a HAC moment.

 

[patriotic]

More Jim Vineyard stories, please!

Well, since you asked.

I was teaching college for Jim when I was called into his office to get yelled at. I had to listen a while to figure out what he was angry about this time. It seems that another professor, who had been one of Vineyard's Gangsters, had run off his mouth in class, ripping into the students who had opposed them. Hearing this, my wife decided to run off her mouth about it. Hearing this, a student decided to run off her mouth about it to Jim. Hearing that three people were running their mouths off, Jim decided to get into the act. That's why I was getting yelled at.

Jim's lies were loud, fast, and furious, and then he blew it. He demanded that I admit that the story of his gangsters beating up a security guard weren't true. (Actually, they had beaten up two security guards). I had talked to the security guard personally (he was a Godly fellow), and I couldn't do that. Jim then said that if I didn't admit the story was false, I was fired. I was pretty upset, because God was blessing me with a successful ministry there, but that's how it goes. I was almost to the door when Jim yelled for me to sit back down, hollered a while longer, and dropped the matter.

Oh, that's nothing.  My brother beat up two security guards all by himself in the late 80s. 

 

[Vince Massi]

I didn't know about UPS in Hammond. Where was it located and why didn't I work there instead of Chicago and then Bedford Park. Would have saved gas and time. Had some interesting nights going to work. First went to Jefferson St and worked on "A" Dock. When Bedford Park was started went there and made supervisor. Bad mistake, Bro Laurent said he was proud of me, Bro Combs told me not to take it. Wish I had listened to Bro Combs. Sorry don't mean to ramble. Just had a HAC moment.

That Bedford Park thing was a fake-out. They wanted all the HAC employees to go there so they could work them to death. I had enough seniority that I could refuse. Man, those guys had it rough!