If not for Dave Hyles.............

[Tarheel Baptist]

I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!

So what are you saying here????

He seems to be articulating his level of esteem for Dr Hyles.

Sounds like he's wishing him to be in the location where there will never be ice cubes.

It does indeed...

 

[Phooey-dini]

a repost

First Baptist Church of Hammond as led by their Pastor did a terrible disservice to Dave Hyles by not Biblically disciplining him.  They were derelict in duty through ignorance, arrogance, or perhaps lacked individual moral integrity to hold a young man accountable for his wickedness.  If a church isn't disciplining they are not restoring.  And now instead of at least having the chance for one to go completely through the accountable steps to be restored to a church all we have is much more sin that followed and many broken relationships that can never be restored this side of heaven.  He can't win in this.  He has the mark of Cain his entire life.  It should have never gone like it did.

Either give a man a chance to be restored and if he decides to not be then it is on him and not the church.  FBCH will have to account for this grievous sin.

And when I speak of restoration I am only referring to restoral of relationship to the local Body of Believers.  Position of leadership which lead to the pride which was the iniquity that allowed the transgression NEVER should be placed on a man with such weakness EVER again.  To do so only places them in the exact position to fall again.  Some pastors in this nation also have much to account for, in placing him in leadership after his fall.

This begs the question: why did Big Mac Jack wink at Dave's wickedness???? I have my theories.

 

[RAIDER]

a repost

First Baptist Church of Hammond as led by their Pastor did a terrible disservice to Dave Hyles by not Biblically disciplining him.  They were derelict in duty through ignorance, arrogance, or perhaps lacked individual moral integrity to hold a young man accountable for his wickedness.  If a church isn't disciplining they are not restoring.  And now instead of at least having the chance for one to go completely through the accountable steps to be restored to a church all we have is much more sin that followed and many broken relationships that can never be restored this side of heaven.  He can't win in this.  He has the mark of Cain his entire life.  It should have never gone like it did.

Either give a man a chance to be restored and if he decides to not be then it is on him and not the church.  FBCH will have to account for this grievous sin.

And when I speak of restoration I am only referring to restoral of relationship to the local Body of Believers.  Position of leadership which lead to the pride which was the iniquity that allowed the transgression NEVER should be placed on a man with such weakness EVER again.  To do so only places them in the exact position to fall again.  Some pastors in this nation also have much to account for, in placing him in leadership after his fall.

This begs the question: why did Big Mac Jack wink at Dave's wickedness???? I have my theories.

That is actually a good question.  A couple of theories of what JH may have been thinking:

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have put a scar on the ministry of JH.  He had written books on how to rear infants, children, and teens.  Perhaps he felt that people would discount his teachings.  This of course is putting one's ministry over doing the right thing.

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have harmed JH's influence in the IFB world.  This of course would have been a pride issue. 

*JH was Dave's father.  Perhaps he thought that Dave was working on getting his life 'straightened out" and he felt that exposing his sin would be devastating to Dave's future. 

 

[Phooey-dini]

RAIDER,

How about the theory that Dave had more intel on his Dad's proclivities and items which disqualified him?

 

[RAIDER]

RAIDER,

How about the theory that Dave had more intel on his Dad's proclivities and items which disqualified him?

It is a theory. and probably should be added to the list.  This one can be argued for weeks, but it has been a theory lacking factual evidence. 

 

[Phooey-dini]

Do you discount the testimonies of Victor, Judy, and Jack Nischik?

 

[RAIDER]

Do you discount the testimonies of Victor, Judy, and Jack Nischik?

I don't discount the testimonies on either side of the issue.

 

[Norefund]

I think it is reasonable to assume it was a combination of some if not all of the reasons speculated above.

 

[Teri in NC]

a repost

First Baptist Church of Hammond as led by their Pastor did a terrible disservice to Dave Hyles by not Biblically disciplining him.  They were derelict in duty through ignorance, arrogance, or perhaps lacked individual moral integrity to hold a young man accountable for his wickedness.  If a church isn't disciplining they are not restoring.  And now instead of at least having the chance for one to go completely through the accountable steps to be restored to a church all we have is much more sin that followed and many broken relationships that can never be restored this side of heaven.  He can't win in this.  He has the mark of Cain his entire life.  It should have never gone like it did.

Either give a man a chance to be restored and if he decides to not be then it is on him and not the church.  FBCH will have to account for this grievous sin.

And when I speak of restoration I am only referring to restoral of relationship to the local Body of Believers.  Position of leadership which lead to the pride which was the iniquity that allowed the transgression NEVER should be placed on a man with such weakness EVER again.  To do so only places them in the exact position to fall again.  Some pastors in this nation also have much to account for, in placing him in leadership after his fall.

This begs the question: why did Big Mac Jack wink at Dave's wickedness???? I have my theories.

That is actually a good question.  A couple of theories of what JH may have been thinking:

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have put a scar on the ministry of JH.  He had written books on how to rear infants, children, and teens.  Perhaps he felt that people would discount his teachings.  This of course is putting one's ministry over doing the right thing.

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have harmed JH's influence in the IFB world.  This of course would have been a pride issue. 

*JH was Dave's father.  Perhaps he thought that Dave was working on getting his life 'straightened out" and he felt that exposing his sin would be devastating to Dave's future.

"This of course would have been a pride issue."

I believe it was pride.

 

[RAIDER]

a repost

First Baptist Church of Hammond as led by their Pastor did a terrible disservice to Dave Hyles by not Biblically disciplining him.  They were derelict in duty through ignorance, arrogance, or perhaps lacked individual moral integrity to hold a young man accountable for his wickedness.  If a church isn't disciplining they are not restoring.  And now instead of at least having the chance for one to go completely through the accountable steps to be restored to a church all we have is much more sin that followed and many broken relationships that can never be restored this side of heaven.  He can't win in this.  He has the mark of Cain his entire life.  It should have never gone like it did.

Either give a man a chance to be restored and if he decides to not be then it is on him and not the church.  FBCH will have to account for this grievous sin.

And when I speak of restoration I am only referring to restoral of relationship to the local Body of Believers.  Position of leadership which lead to the pride which was the iniquity that allowed the transgression NEVER should be placed on a man with such weakness EVER again.  To do so only places them in the exact position to fall again.  Some pastors in this nation also have much to account for, in placing him in leadership after his fall.

This begs the question: why did Big Mac Jack wink at Dave's wickedness???? I have my theories.

That is actually a good question.  A couple of theories of what JH may have been thinking:

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have put a scar on the ministry of JH.  He had written books on how to rear infants, children, and teens.  Perhaps he felt that people would discount his teachings.  This of course is putting one's ministry over doing the right thing.

*If Dave had been exposed and properly dealt with it would have harmed JH's influence in the IFB world.  This of course would have been a pride issue. 

*JH was Dave's father.  Perhaps he thought that Dave was working on getting his life 'straightened out" and he felt that exposing his sin would be devastating to Dave's future.

"This of course would have been a pride issue."

I believe it was pride.

I believe all 3 of my theories have pride as their basis.

 

[Walt]

RAIDER,

How about the theory that Dave had more intel on his Dad's proclivities and items which disqualified him?

Dave claimed he had such intel, but it seems very odd that he never used it, so I tend not to believe that particular theory.

 

[sawthruglassclearly]

I believe he had it. What to do with all of it was the problem! I don't believe he could've been believed in that milieux. I also think there was a modicum of wanting to protect his mother, of not wanting to give up the "privileged" life--beyond that, I cannot guess what went on in that mind!