If not for Dave Hyles.............

sword said:
When did Jack Hyles learn of Dave's behavior?

Many pastors still contend that Jack did not find out about Dave's indiscretions until long after he left to pastor at Miller Road. Has any staff or deacons from that time confirmed publically the cover up happened? If Jack knew, how long did he allow Dave to continue as youth pastor before he arranged for him to leave FBCH. Did he knowingly allow Dave to prey on young girls, hopping he would get his act together. 

If so many people knew of Dave behavior, why didn't they speak out and why didn't someone warn Miller Road about Dave sordid history.

This is what I believed for many years until I spoke to one of the youth leaders that worked with Dave.  This youth leader went to Dr. Hyles personally and told him what Dave had been doing.  Dr. Hyles said, "I will take care of it".  It was shortly after this that Dave moved to Texas.  It's not what I want to believe, but this was a very reliable source. 
 
RAIDER said:
sword said:
When did Jack Hyles learn of Dave's behavior?

Many pastors still contend that Jack did not find out about Dave's indiscretions until long after he left to pastor at Miller Road. Has any staff or deacons from that time confirmed publically the cover up happened? If Jack knew, how long did he allow Dave to continue as youth pastor before he arranged for him to leave FBCH. Did he knowingly allow Dave to prey on young girls, hopping he would get his act together. 

If so many people knew of Dave behavior, why didn't they speak out and why didn't someone warn Miller Road about Dave sordid history.

This is what I believed for many years until I spoke to one of the youth leaders that worked with Dave.  This youth leader went to Dr. Hyles personally and told him what Dave had been doing.  Dr. Hyles said, "I will take care of it".  It was shortly after this that Dave moved to Texas.  It's not what I want to believe, but this was a very reliable source.
Truly heart breaking...to impose someone of his immoral caliber on an unsuspecting church.
Truly horrific.. :(
 
As Yoda might say,
Common in the IFB, nepotism is.

Too often Pastors look at the church as their personal family business, with family successors, instead of it being God's work. I wonder what percentage of pastor's sons serve as youth pastor in their father's church. I wonder what percentage of pastor's sons eventually pastor their fathers church? Same for pastor's son in law's? Grandsons? 
 
RAIDER said:
what would Dr. Hyles' legacy look like?

There are many opinions of Jack Hyles on the FFF.  For the most part, those that did not attend HAC/FBCH are very critical.  Many of them have heard nothing but the negative.  There is a bit of a mixture of opinions from those who attended HAC/FBCH.  Much of the criticism begins and ends with Dave Hyles.  It is obvious to the wide majority that Dave was doing wrong while on staff at FBCH.  It has also become obvious that Dr. Hyles knew of this wrong and did not handle it properly.  This is a major issue.

For FFF discussion purposes let's remove Dave Hyles from the equation.  Let's say there was never a Dave Hyles.  What would the discussions about Jack Hyles look like?  I'm sure there would still be those who have nothing but negative to say, but what would the general consensus be?  What would Dr. Hyles' legacy be?

Good and bad.

You are rightly pointing out the Dave Hyles' sins are his own, and Jack Hyles should not be blamed for what his son did. He (Jack Hyles) can be rightly blamed for his sins as a parent, but many Christians have children who have gone astray to one degree or another.  We are sinners saved by grace, and all parents have committed sins in parenting.  I believe that people critical of Jack Hyles spend too much time talking about the sins of DH.  Like Eli, JH gets the full blame for allowing his son to continue in his wicked behavior.

But.

The implication that JH would have a stellar reputation if it wasn't for DH is laughable.  Even with DH out of the picture, his legacy is awful.  He taught hundreds (thousands?) of pastors his cultic view of leadership; he demanded utter loyalty to himself, and that was what his admiring pastors did.  Certainly, he seemed to hold to heretical positions - the "Baptist indugence" idea; the "three wills of God" weirdness, and that Jesus Christ was always human.  His covering up for adulterous preachers was also w ell-known and a shameful heritage.

For the record, I did not attend HAC/FBCH, but I did attend a church thought JH was the greatest Christian that ever lived.
 
RAIDER said:
16KJV11 said:
RAIDER said:
bgwilkinson said:
It  was the sexual immorality that was going on between the bus workers daughters and the bus kids. I did not want my daughters getting pregnant or my son's getting the bus girls pregnate. We all left the bus ministry as a family before that sexual immorality got into my family. The bus ministry is a dangerous place for young people. My children are all married adults in their 40s and early 50s. None of them got pregnant out of wedlock.

What most do not realize is that the reason so many HAC students leave is due to sexual immorality. The bus ministry is a dangerous place for young people.
I do not want to tell all the details but much of it was due to Bro. Hyles flippant attitude toward immorality on his staff. How could he really come out against it as far too many people knew what he was doing in his office.

We have been paying the price as a congregation all these years and still no official repentance.

And what was he "doing in his office"?
And why did you stay at the church even when you knew immorality was going on in the bus ministry and the powers that were did nothing about it?

This has always been my biggest issue with many of the critics.

I've been there; we could clearly see problems, but we hadn't shaken off all of the "pixie dust" or "glory dust", or whatever you want to call it -- still believed that "no one else was doing it" like OUR church, and that other churches were compromising somewhere, or didn't have as dedicated people.  Also, there were some good things happening.  You argue with yourself that maybe you just misunderstood, or maybe someone will wake up and the situation will improve.

It started off as small things, but they were not dealt with and the problems continued to grow.  The Scriptures are SO right when they state that a little leaven leaveneth the entire lump.
 
RAIDER said:
sword said:
When did Jack Hyles learn of Dave's behavior?

Many pastors still contend that Jack did not find out about Dave's indiscretions until long after he left to pastor at Miller Road. Has any staff or deacons from that time confirmed publically the cover up happened? If Jack knew, how long did he allow Dave to continue as youth pastor before he arranged for him to leave FBCH. Did he knowingly allow Dave to prey on young girls, hopping he would get his act together. 

If so many people knew of Dave behavior, why didn't they speak out and why didn't someone warn Miller Road about Dave sordid history.

This is what I believed for many years until I spoke to one of the youth leaders that worked with Dave.  This youth leader went to Dr. Hyles personally and told him what Dave had been doing.  Dr. Hyles said, "I will take care of it".  It was shortly after this that Dave moved to Texas.  It's not what I want to believe, but this was a very reliable source.

I always thought that Dave's move to Texas was occasioned by Dr Evans going to Hyles and threatening to leave & spill the beans if JH didn't do something about Dave -- THAT was what had JH have people he knew at Miller Road call Dave with the opportunity to go to Texas.
 
I am of the opinion that when a teen exhibits the behavior that Dave did, they WANT to be caught.  They want a parent to draw the line in the sand and say, "I love you too much to allow this to continue."  What do the rest of you think?

It is ludicrous that while all of that was going on, married couples dare not touch each other at HAC.  Did that change in later years?
 
Jo said:
It is ludicrous that while all of that was going on, married couples dare not touch each other at HAC.  Did that change in later years?

That rule was removed.
 
a repost

First Baptist Church of Hammond as led by their Pastor did a terrible disservice to Dave Hyles by not Biblically disciplining him.  They were derelict in duty through ignorance, arrogance, or perhaps lacked individual moral integrity to hold a young man accountable for his wickedness.  If a church isn't disciplining they are not restoring.  And now instead of at least having the chance for one to go completely through the accountable steps to be restored to a church all we have is much more sin that followed and many broken relationships that can never be restored this side of heaven.  He can't win in this.  He has the mark of Cain his entire life.  It should have never gone like it did.

Either give a man a chance to be restored and if he decides to not be then it is on him and not the church.  FBCH will have to account for this grievous sin.

And when I speak of restoration I am only referring to restoral of relationship to the local Body of Believers.  Position of leadership which lead to the pride which was the iniquity that allowed the transgression NEVER should be placed on a man with such weakness EVER again.  To do so only places them in the exact position to fall again.  Some pastors in this nation also have much to account for, in placing him in leadership after his fall. 
 
JH wanted to own the ministry.

All he did made his sycophants stand in his defense.

They are still around today.

The first baptist pope.
 
Jack Hyles was lying and corrupting even before Dave was sneaking around, etc. Jack Hyles was bringing "outcasts" from churches he was preaching at and foisting them upon the Sunday School, church employees, school, and college staff. It was sick and sad to discover how many "wayward men of God " were turned loose on the unsuspecting folks and young people! Jack Hyles legacy wouldn't change much, and after spending 40 plus years trying to overcome the vile that was done to me because of him, I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!
 
sawthruglassclearly said:
Jack Hyles was lying and corrupting even before Dave was sneaking around, etc. Jack Hyles was bringing "outcasts" from churches he was preaching at and foisting them upon the Sunday School, church employees, school, and college staff. It was sick and sad to discover how many "wayward men of God " were turned loose on the unsuspecting folks and young people! Jack Hyles legacy wouldn't change much, and after spending 40 plus years trying to overcome the vile that was done to me because of him, I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!
Who'd he bring in, names?
 
There are children and grandchildren of this person who are on the forum, so I will tell you that the one who made me their third target at the school, had targeted four others in the  church, and had had at least 11 victims when Jack Hyles was asked what to do about him out in the Eastern United States. The deacons there told my folks that Jack Hyles had said, " I'll find a place for him in my ministry."  He proceeded to turn him loose in the very environment that this pervert thrived in! From that experience, I learned that there were men on the platform, people in the choir, custodians, rescue mission (I use that term loosely), just to name a few, that there were people who knew about unacceptable behavior in their own churches from these people. There were deacons, Sunday School teachers, staff, associate pastors, who knew these people had serious problems that required more " help" than Jack Hyles was capable of giving. Some of those people ( in the offenders' home churches) thought that prison was the help that was needed!
 
please know that no one is doubting your post...we have  talked about this if you want to do a search.....

My prayers are with you . Joy Evans has a great web site out of the shadows.
 
sawthruglassclearly said:
I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!

So what are you saying here????
 
RAIDER said:
sawthruglassclearly said:
I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!

So what are you saying here????

He seems to be articulating his level of esteem for Dr Hyles.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
RAIDER said:
sawthruglassclearly said:
I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!

So what are you saying here????

He seems to be articulating his level of esteem for Dr Hyles.

Ahhhhhh!
 
I haven't posted too many comments here on the forum, but if I got after so many of you for the comments you make, the words you choose to use,  the way you try to convey a thought, misspelled words, or verifiable proof, we'd be back and forth on quite a regular basis. I don't intend to do that to any of you. Could we all just take a breath and try to be a source of support or keep an open mind? Even if you don't get it on the first pass? Perhaps just think about it? No need to reply.
 
sawthruglassclearly said:
There are children and grandchildren of this person who are on the forum, so I will tell you that the one who made me their third target at the school, had targeted four others in the  church, and had had at least 11 victims when Jack Hyles was asked what to do about him out in the Eastern United States. The deacons there told my folks that Jack Hyles had said, " I'll find a place for him in my ministry."  He proceeded to turn him loose in the very environment that this pervert thrived in! From that experience, I learned that there were men on the platform, people in the choir, custodians, rescue mission (I use that term loosely), just to name a few, that there were people who knew about unacceptable behavior in their own churches from these people. There were deacons, Sunday School teachers, staff, associate pastors, who knew these people had serious problems that required more " help" than Jack Hyles was capable of giving. Some of those people ( in the offenders' home churches) thought that prison was the help that was needed!

I'm sorry that you went through all of this.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
RAIDER said:
sawthruglassclearly said:
I can only hope Jack Hyles is paying in eternity for what he did to me and the many others who were victims along with me!

So what are you saying here????

He seems to be articulating his level of esteem for Dr Hyles.
Sounds like he's wishing him to be in the location where there will never be ice cubes.
 
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