HACcers Rule!

[RAIDER]

No, Inf. The flu had gone through me, leaving me feeling weak, and I was almost over that.

And Aleshanee has accused me of several things that I never said. And Aleshanee is not spending seven pages fighting over the flu--she is fighting over a long list of her own sins that she sees in me.

Your Hacker traits continue to come to the surface.  Do you still wear white socks with dress shoes?

 

[Vince Massi]

Praise the Lord, we had 18 kids on the van tonight for Wednesday night church. Mayra usually picks up eight kids in her compact car, so I started helping with our van. When they saw that we could fit in more kids, more kids came.

Praise the Lord!

 

[lnf]

This post piggy backs on a line from aleshanee's post #72:  "if you had said that from the beginning there would have been no problem......"

Anything I have put in quotation marks are exact quotes.  I have snipped sections of editorial comments that do not change the tenor of the posts.  Just reread all the pages of the thread if you question my analysis:

OP Vince Massi:  (snipped> “61 years young and almost over the flu, I was out there pushing kids on the swings, <snipped) 

#10 Vince Massi:  (snipped> “The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach.” <snipped)  “At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.”

#12 cast.sheep:  “Well, just the fact that you say that about yourself proves otherwise.  Perhaps you don't mean it to sound this way, but that statement reeks of self-importance and self-righteousness.  I don't think going to work sick is a prerequisite for being a good influence. Sheesh!”

#13 lnf: “Did you ever consider, Mr. Massi, that knowingly bringing a contagion into the body of Christ does more harm to your ministry than a dedicated worker missing a week of service?”

#14 Vince Massi:  In your response to cast.sheep, you did not address her original point of contention, which was going to work sick is not a prerequisite for being a good influence, which came across as prideful.  She even opened the door for you to explain that you weren’t actively sick…just feeling weak after a bout of the flu (which you did several pages later, in post#66: No, Inf. The flu had gone through me, leaving me feeling weak, and I was almost over that.)  But in this post, you responded with a “lesson” on humility, instead.

#15 aleshanee:  “if one feels they have the right to spread an infection in order to spread their influence..... then the people they are trying to lead are better off without both”

#16 Vince Massi:  “What infection? We have allergies.”

#17 aleshanee:  “that;s not what you said....... nor it is even what you implied” 

#18 Vince Massi:  “You do realize, that you said that I never said what you said I said, which is what I am saying: I never said it.”

And that brings up to half-way through page 3.  Yes, Mr. Massi, the original contention was based upon your own words…the very words you said you never said, although you really did say them, those words you said! 

Now we’re past reply #72 on page 8.  And, yes, the conversation has changed somewhat, but the posts still point back to the original point of contention:  post #12, which you could have easily clarified in your post #14!

Yes, you certainly do owe aleshanee an apology, and to cast.sheep as well, truth be told. 

To be humble is to be "made low".  To quote the Limbo Song, “How Low Can You Go”?  Can you go low enough to admit that your words did not come across as you intended?  Do you have the ability to “humble yourself” enough to issue those apologies?   

 

[LongGone]

Praise the Lord, we had 18 kids on the van tonight for Wednesday night church. Mayra usually picks up eight kids in her compact car, so I started helping with our van. When they saw that we could fit in more kids, more kids came.

Praise the Lord!
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What kind of compact car fits 8 children safely?

 

[Vince Massi]

No, Inf. The flu had gone through me, leaving me feeling weak, and I was almost over that.

And Aleshanee has accused me of several things that I never said. And Aleshanee is not spending seven pages fighting over the flu--she is fighting over a long list of her own sins that she sees in me.

Your Hacker traits continue to come to the surface.  Do you still wear white socks with dress shoes?

I'm afraid that I never wore white socks with dress shoes. But I did wear narrow neckties years after they went out of style.

 

[Walt]

The very people who think they are humble, aren't.  Here is Webster's definition of humility:

"a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness."

Followed the link from the other post here and re-read this thread.  Stopped here and starting considering humility.  I was not sure I agree with Webster here; at first, I liked Vince Massi's definition: Humility is not a denial of reality--humility is an acceptance of reality.

It is not humility to pretend good work is bad; if I were to paint a masterpiece of art, humility is not pretending it is bad - it is seeing it as it is (Vince Massi's definition), but not getting an exaggeration of myself because of it.  I think CS Lewis noted that proper humility is painting a good painting, but being no more proud about it that if the painting had been painted by someone else.  So, I agree with Webster that humility is having a low opinion of one's importance, but not of one's work. That should be seen in reality.