HACcers Rule!

Aleshanee, I don't want to hurt your feelings by getting on your case, because you have only done what many posters on the FFF have done over the years. Let me try to help you out.

"so......... rather than pass judgement on mr vince massi either way.... ;)...... i;ll hold back on deciding whether to respect or him"

Who authorized you to judge me now or later?

"or not until i know whether he really went down to mexico as a missionary.".I didn't. I'm not a missionary. I came here to retire. And God starting using me. Boy, was I surprised.

" or just went there as another rich gringo looking to cash in..... ???".....Don't I wish. The rich Gringos live in Ajijij. The poor Gringos live in Chapala. My wife and I live in Chapala.

"what he said here a year ago led me to suspect he was the latter."  No problem. God doesn't give you or anybody else the ability to disobey His command not to judge.

"but as with all things.....i am sure time will tell......"  Only at the Judgment Seat. God won't give anyone the ability to judge correctly now or later.
 
I LOVE fried okra!  yum!

And I know the answer to your question to Vince:  Can you not see that?

No...he can't. 
 
aleshanee said:
cast.sheep said:
You have no idea whether God is leading me or not.  He very well could be. And I don't mean to be unkind...not at all...but somewhere I came across this bit of wisdom:

"Unsought advice is rarely heeded and NEVER appreciated." 

It's been nice chatting with you, but I am done now.

Happy New Year!  And, I mean this sincerely:  Thank you for serving the Lord as a missionary.  I don't have the guts to do that.  Anyone who is willing to leave their own country in order to further the gospel has my respect and admiration.
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last year in the "hacker thread about nothing in particular" ... vince told us his reasons for going to mexico was retirement....... he lives in an area known as the gringo zone near guadalajara .......... at one point he was even trying to encourage others here to do the same thing and "retire" to mexico...... 50,000 other americans have done the same as he has already and retired to mexico in the same region........ ....here is an article about it......

http://www.yucatanliving.com/news/gringos-invade-mexico.htm

i have never been to mexico myself.... but my sister has worked there in an around mexico city off and on for several years....... and her company still has clients there that other company personnel work for........ form what she tells me those americans living the good life of retirement in guadalajara have a much higher opinion of themselves than the native born mexican citizens have of them......... and they seem to appreciate their own "contributions" to mexico a lot more than the rest of mexico appears to appreciate what they have done........ .... many native mexicans see them as nothing more than american baby boomers who have come into money.... and are now taking their money to an impoverished 3rd world country where it has more spending power and they can live like a king.........

so......... rather than pass judgement on mr vince massi either way.... ;)...... i;ll hold back on deciding whether to respect or him or not until i know whether he really went down to mexico as a missionary... or just went there as another rich gringo looking to cash in..... ???..... what he said here a year ago led me to suspect he was the latter..... and so far... despite all his humble efforts.. ::)... he has not yet been successful at convincing me he is actually the former.......but as with all things.....i am sure time will tell........
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Ok...wait a sec.....

Vince, did you see what I posted in my last post to you?  If not, it is in BOLD above.  I have amended that post.  But you can see it there in Aleshanee's post...which you DID read and respond to.

Were you going to correct me for calling you a missionary...which you have admitted you are not?  I had some pretty nice words there...which I meant.  You correct me on everything else I say that you believe is untrue.  Why not correct me on this?  It really IS untrue!

Surely you were not going to just accept the gratitude and respect under false pretenses.  Surely not.  A person as godly and principled as you claim to be would not do such a thing.





 
Cast and Aleshanee, I'll explain it again.

When you disobey God's command not to judge you describe your own sins. When you judge on a forum, you publicly document your own sins. I understand both of you because you are posting your sins publicly.

Because God is not guiding or leading you when you judge, you are more likely than usual to make mistakes. Both of you have stated as fact that I have made statements I never made. Using your judgments as a basis for examining myself is a bad idea, because God is not helping you in your judgments.

I do not "admit" that I am not a missionary; I state it plainly.

I have been encouraging Americans to retire here since I arrived, and I intend to continue. The prices are lower, the streets are safer, the medical care is better and cheaper, and the air is cleaner. And best of all, the opportunities to serve God abound.

Humility does not require you to pretend that God is not blessing you. It requires you to acknowledge that it is God, not you, Who makes your service successful.

 
Aleshanee, when you disobey God's commands not to judge, you describe yourself. Because God is not with you when you judge, your accusations against others lack accuracy.

Incidentally, since I am retired, I do not earn enough money to pay taxes. However, Mexico rarely uses income tax, relying on a 16% sales tax instead. If you need any more help in researching false accusations, let me know.
 
I really think it is just that Vince lacks the intelligence or ability to see some things.  A great person once told me that everyone has a ceiling and once they reach it, you probably will never expect more from them.  They may be good, loyal, faithful workers/employees but they have peaked at their potential.

Some may continue to try and talk above their ability and just end up making fools of themselves....you do not have to go far to see that with Vince.  Using the number of search results from Google to provide statistical data regarding misbehavior of an institution(s), making statement of fact (that all pastor suicides for a given year were all HAC students/graduates) that can be easily disproven, and passing judgement while not passing judgement but judging those for judging, but not really judging those who are judging.

It is apparent that while he sees HAC as vile and contemptible, he espouses many of those traits that he rails against. Just another opportunistic blow-hard that feels that he is above all others and has no trouble telling you how great he is.  Sometimes you can that the person out if IFBdom, but you can't take the IFB out of the person.
 
qwerty said:
I really think it is just that Vince lacks the intelligence or ability to see some things.  A great person once told me that everyone has a ceiling and once they reach it, you probably will never expect more from them.  They may be good, loyal, faithful workers/employees but they have peaked at their potential.

Some may continue to try and talk above their ability and just end up making fools of themselves....you do not have to go far to see that with Vince.  Using the number of search results from Google to provide statistical data regarding misbehavior of an institution(s), making statement of fact (that all pastor suicides for a given year were all HAC students/graduates) that can be easily disproven, and passing judgement while not passing judgement but judging those for judging, but not really judging those who are judging.

It is apparent that while he sees HAC as vile and contemptible, he espouses many of those traits that he rails against. Just another opportunistic blow-hard that feels that he is above all others and has no trouble telling you how great he is.  Sometimes you can that the person out if IFBdom, but you can't take the IFB out of the person.
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I agree Qwerty. I just think over the years at how many people he has judged and accused of being Ruckmanites, even though most of them are light years away from Ruckman. Very little of what he says can  be taken seriously.
 
HACcers rule, but I'm not too happy about it today.

We had 32 kids in the Neighborhood Bible Study, but only one teacher showed up. Mayra is a very Godly 21 year old Mexican in full-time Christian work, and she told me that the other teachers just didn't feel like showing up today. But she did a great job, and things went well.
 
When Vince has no defense he resorts to repeating himself over...and over...and over again with the same old drivel that doesn't apply. If that doesn't work, he reminds us of how much better he is than everyone else. After all, remember his own words: "At least I am a good influence....." and "...people like you."

He has no defense for such prideful and arrogant statements....so he just repeats his own bogus judgmental comments about everyone else. He does the VERY things he accuses others of doing. He reveals the very sins in his own life every time. And he doesn't even recognize it...

I keep saying that I already know I am a sinner so there is no need to point that out....yet he keeps telling me I am a sinner like he thinks he's revealing something that I don't already know about myself. It's actually quite comical. So quick to throw Bible verses around and point the finger at everyone but himself.

And, Vince, you never did address why you accepted my praise under false pretenses. I would like an answer to that.
 
And by the way, HACcers don't rule. God rules. Period. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. Even the mighty Vince Massi is no exception to that.
 
Does God rule, Cast? Or do people disobey His commands not to judge, not to speak evil of the brethren, and not to scorn?
 
Vince Massi said:
Does God rule, Cast? Or do people disobey His commands not to judge, not to speak evil of the brethren, and not to scorn?
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I believe God DOES rule....in spite of people who disobey his commands not to judge, not to speak evil of the brethren, and not to scorn. Don't you? Do you believe God is limited by the sins of his children? I don't.

I also believe God rules in spite of pride and arrogance in the lives of His children. You should be very thankful for that. I know I am.

 
Aleshanee, a problem with disobeying God's command not to judge is that you have to check your facts carefully, because God is not guiding you. On a forum, where statements can be documented, it is even more important. You're making too many accusations of what I said, when there is no documentation on the forum that I ever said it.
 
Vince Massi said:
Aleshanee, a problem with disobeying God's command not to judge is that you have to check your facts carefully, because God is not guiding you. On a forum, where statements can be documented, it is even more important. You're making too many accusations of what I said, when there is no documentation on the forum that I ever said it.
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Mr. Massi, aleshanee is correct in her statement that she quoted your own words regarding your practice and counsel of showing up for ministry events while sick.  It is a verifiable fact that you said "almost over the flu" and "show up sick if necessary".  What I have typed in quotes is exactly what you typed. 

Aleshanee is not the only one who understood your words to convey the thought that you show up (and you counsel others to show up) while sick, even with a contagious illness (i.e. almost over the flu).  In the case of the "Godly young married couple", she might really have been suffering from allergies, but that is not the thought that was conveyed by your words. 

You have told aleshanee several times that you did not say what she said you said.  But the truth is, yes, you said those things!  And she understood those words in context! 

You could have chosen to explain the true intent of your words in your post #16.  But instead, you stated, "What infection? We have allergies."  I underlined the "we" to bring attention to it.  That is not what you said about yourself in post #1.  You said you were almost over the flu.  So your statement in post #16 was less than honest.

So, now we're 7 pages into a situation that you could have easily resolved on page 2, had you simply explained what you really meant in your earlier posts.  Mr. Massi, there is no shame in admitting that a poorly-worded post caused a miscommunication of your true intent.

Frankly, I think you owe aleshanee an apology.       

 
No, Inf. The flu had gone through me, leaving me feeling weak, and I was almost over that.

And Aleshanee has accused me of several things that I never said. And Aleshanee is not spending seven pages fighting over the flu--she is fighting over a long list of her own sins that she sees in me.
 
Vince Massi said:
No, Inf. The flu had gone through me, leaving me feeling weak, and I was almost over that.

And Aleshanee has accused me of several things that I never said. And Aleshanee is not spending seven pages fighting over the flu--she is fighting over a long list of her own sins that she sees in me.
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Your last comment may win "most judgmental comment of the year" award 8)
 
Vince Massi said:
HAC is full of scandal, slander, false records, etc., but they did teach us how to work.
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Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Those Pharisee worked harder than just about anyone every did.....

It certainly didn't get them very far. Many people are just spinning their wells thinking they're running 100 miles an hour. Paul spoke of those that had a zeal for God but didn't have enough sense/knowledge to put zeal to the proper action.

Not judging you. Just making the point. You're logic is again faulty. The hard work of hypocrites add up to very little learning.
 
Praise, are you saying that everyone who works hard for the Lord is a hypocrite?
 
Vince Massi said:
Praise, are you saying that everyone who works hard for the Lord is a hypocrite?
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Nope. Why are making such an accusation?

You're the one implying that hard work of hypocrites can teach someone something. Just challenging your perspective. If you would like to argue with Scriptures, be my guest.
 
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