HACcers Rule!

Vince Massi....I know that you do not realize this...but you are NOT humble.  The very people who think they are, aren't.  Here is Webster's definition of humility:

"a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness."

While your words say you are giving God the credit, the reality is that you are not.  I understand that you do not see it, however, you feel the need to continue to defend yourself.  Why?  According to you, it's not about you.  And I think most of us on this forum understand that God doesn't need to be defended.  He is more than able to take care of Himself without your help...or mine...or anyone's for that matter.

Why don't you just stop posting on all the "success" of your ministry....er....God's ministry.  Perhaps just concentrate on allowing God to use you in whatever way He sees fit without telling everyone about it.  That is what truly humble people do. 

Just sayin'......
 
bgwilkinson said:
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There's an unfunny story here, BG. I flew to Pennsylvania to visit my mom, and she became so sick that we had to take her to the doctor. Me? I felt fine.

Remember the Mexican Swine Flu epidemic a few years ago? My wife was at an orphanage when the government showed up to quarantine the place. She ran out a door that hadn't been locked yet.
 
aleshanee said:
lnf said:
cast.sheep said:
Vince Massi said:
They decided to cancel the Saturday Neighborhood Bible Study because it is between two holidays. But they realized this morning that they had forgotten to tell me, so they had to show up. We had a record-high 26 kids on the van, and a total of 35 kids in the Bible Study.

The Godly young married couple who showed up explained to me that they cancelled the Bible Study because it is between two holidays. The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach. She's an AOG HACcer. They are both students at an AOG college.

At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.

Well, just the fact that you say that about yourself proves otherwise.  Perhaps you don't mean it to sound this way, but that statement reeks of self-importance and self-righteousness.  I don't think going to work sick is a prerequisite for being a good influence. Sheesh!

I agree with cast.sheep.  Did you ever consider, Mr. Massi, that knowingly bringing a contagion into the body of Christ does more harm to your ministry than a dedicated worker missing a week of service?   

and i further agree..... if one feels they have the right to spread an infection in order to spread their influence..... then the people they are trying to lead are better off without both......

Cut Vince a little slack.

In the real world you get 3 choices when your sick:

1. You go to work sick.
2. You go to the doc. an get a note for work (many won't write an excuse for sniffles or mild cold)
3. You lose your job.

I think the point is Gods business is as important as your employers business. Not sure where you work, but were I work I'm expected to come in if we can. Some pastors hope for the same from their ministry leaders.
 
sword said:
aleshanee said:
lnf said:
cast.sheep said:
Vince Massi said:
They decided to cancel the Saturday Neighborhood Bible Study because it is between two holidays. But they realized this morning that they had forgotten to tell me, so they had to show up. We had a record-high 26 kids on the van, and a total of 35 kids in the Bible Study.

The Godly young married couple who showed up explained to me that they cancelled the Bible Study because it is between two holidays. The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach. She's an AOG HACcer. They are both students at an AOG college.

At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.

Well, just the fact that you say that about yourself proves otherwise.  Perhaps you don't mean it to sound this way, but that statement reeks of self-importance and self-righteousness.  I don't think going to work sick is a prerequisite for being a good influence. Sheesh!

I agree with cast.sheep.  Did you ever consider, Mr. Massi, that knowingly bringing a contagion into the body of Christ does more harm to your ministry than a dedicated worker missing a week of service?   

and i further agree..... if one feels they have the right to spread an infection in order to spread their influence..... then the people they are trying to lead are better off without both......

Cut Vince a little slack.

In the real world you get 3 choices when your sick:

1. You go to work sick.
2. You go to the doc. an get a note for work (many won't write an excuse for sniffles or mild cold)
3. You lose your job.

I think the point is Gods business is as important as your employers business. Not sure where you work, but were I work I'm expected to come in if we can. Some pastors hope for the same from their ministry leaders.

You do understand that Vince doesn't cut anyone else any slack....right? 

The argument here is not really about going in to work sick.  Most likely, we have all gone into work sick at times.  We probably shouldn't for the sake of our co-workers, but...for the reasons you stated in your 3 points...we do.
The argument here is that Vince is so adamant that going in to work sick makes him a good influence.  He is the Mary Poppins of ministry..."Practically perfect in every way!"  Just ask him. 

(waiting for some response from Vince about what a horrible Christian I am for this post.) (giggle)
 
Now Cast, a while ago, you were talking about the need to stop fighting. Now you continue to disobey the Biblical commands not to judge.
 
Vince Massi said:
Now Cast, a while ago, you were talking about the need to stop fighting. Now you continue to disobey the Biblical commands not to judge.

This remark is quite judgmental.
 
Vince Massi said:
Now Cast, a while ago, you were talking about the need to stop fighting. Now you continue to disobey the Biblical commands not to judge.

ANNNNNNND.....there it is!  Right on cue!

I never once said we should stop fighting...I used the word squabbling and I never actually said we should stop. Father never came in after us, so I will continue picking until I have had my fun with you.  Or until Father comes in.  That's what kids do...right?  This is such fun! 

See...I KNOW I am a sinner.  Telling me that I am doesn't offend me or hurt my feelings at all.  I know I have a long way to go on my Christian journey.  That is the major difference between us. And that is the problem with setting yourself up as such a great Christian with all the answers.  YOU get offended when faced with your hypocrisy.  I do not. 

By the way.... HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
 
Whoa!  Vince!  We have 862 views!  Keep it coming, bro.  We have an audience!  I can just hear the munching of popcorn! 
 
cast.sheep said:
Whoa!  Vince!  We have 862 views!  Keep it coming, bro.  We have an audience!  I can just hear the munching of popcorn!

Actually, I am eating Planters Peanuts.
 
BALAAM said:
Vince Massi said:
Now Cast, a while ago, you were talking about the need to stop fighting. Now you continue to disobey the Biblical commands not to judge.

This remark is quite judgmental.

Actually, Balaam, it's factual. When you disobey God's command not to judge, you get yourself into trouble.
 
That whole not judging thing only applies to the rest of us lowly peasants.  Vince has got it mastered. Just ask him.
 
Actually, Cast, I do. Judging consists of recognizing your own sin in someone else, whether or not it's really there. By looking at what I accuse the brethren of, I see what I'm really like.

People who disobey God's commands not to judge, not to speak evil of the brethren, not to scorn, etc., are describing themselves. Learning that helped me last ten years as a Christian school teacher, since I understood angry parents. And, on this forum, I am able to understand people like you.
 
Vince Massi said:
Actually, Cast, I do. Judging consists of recognizing your own sin in someone else, whether or not it's really there. By looking at what I accuse the brethren of, I see what I'm really like.

People who disobey God's commands not to judge, not to speak evil of the brethren, not to scorn, etc., are describing themselves. Learning that helped me last ten years as a Christian school teacher, since I understood angry parents. And, on this forum, I am able to understand people like you.

"....people like you."

Maybe the most arrogant, prideful, stupid thing you've said yet.  I am now tired of listening to your self-important posts. We have come full circle from my original comment.

If I wasn't already a Christian, I wouldn't become one if I thought they were all like you. THAT is the testimony you leave behind on this forum. And you are so stinkin' proud of it. I can almost guarantee that your next post will prove it.

 
aleshanee said:
sword said:
Cut Vince a little slack.

In the real world you get 3 choices when your sick:

1. You go to work sick.
2. You go to the doc. an get a note for work (many won't write an excuse for sniffles or mild cold)
3. You lose your job.

I think the point is Gods business is as important as your employers business. Not sure where you work, but were I work I'm expected to come in if we can. Some pastors hope for the same from their ministry leaders.

in the jobs i have worked you could be fired for coming to work sick...... and your employer could be sued..... especially if you came in knowing you had the flu..... ........ even when i worked on the charter fishing boat a few years ago the captain did not want me coming to work sick because i handled food and prepared snacks and drinks for the customers...... ..... my dads job pays him 21 days of sick leave per year and it;s accumulatory  ..... they are only required to provide a doctors note if they miss more than 5 days in a row.... and nobody wants them coming to work sick either...... not only does it increase the risk they could be injured or killed on the job but it also increases the risk they could make a mistake and kill somebody else.........

but of course in the other kind of business world where the publics health is not put at risk by an an employees actions..... or where money and the increase in numbers or revenue is all that matters.... i guess it wouldn;t matter much whether a person came in to work sick or not........ personally i have never worked a job like that....... and i would hope that vince doesn;t see his ministry as that kind of job either....... i believe Gods business is far more important than any other employers business....... important enough to be done right..... and the children being ministered to... by a group of people considering themselves in God;s business ...are important enough to not be put at risk of being exposed to an infectious disease by misguided christian workers that are under the false and arrogant impression God cannot conduct His business without them.....

Now that's good!
 
Thank you, Holdout.

I need to explain from a previous post, that when you disobey God's command not to judge, you define yourself. You that judge do the same thing, and then when you actually post it on the internet, you document your sins publicly. Yes, I do understand people who judge others, because they have given me the information themselves. Yes, I did use that effectively in dealing with enraged parents when I taught school.

When you read the insults, accusations, and name-calling of a person who is judging, you can understand that person.
 
Vince Massi said:
Thank you, Holdout.

I need to explain from a previous post, that when you disobey God's command not to judge, you define yourself. You that judge do the same thing, and then when you actually post it on the internet, you document your sins publicly. Yes, I do understand people who judge others, because they have given me the information themselves. Yes, I did use that effectively in dealing with enraged parents when I taught school.

When you read the insults, accusations, and name-calling of a person who is judging, you can understand that person.

If there is so much understanding on your part...why is there no compassion????  Understanding brings compassion.  You yourself are so quick to judge and you don't even recognize it.  That's the killer. 

I have been the first to admit that I am a sinner and therefore imperfect.  You have made no such admission.  Pointing out whatever sins I may or may not have does not offend me.  Yes, I occasionally judge.  Yes, I am occasionally scornful.  And when that occurs, God gently reminds me and I make it right with Him, and sometimes, with whoever else was affected.  Doesn't that EVER happen to you???  Do you never find yourself in that position?  I am a work in progress.  I have not attained perfection.  But I AM willing to admit that.  Some of the greatest learning experiences in my life have been when people have judged me.  After I get done being offended, I ask myself..."Is there any truth in what they are saying????"  And...sometimes there is.  And, eventually, I am grateful for the criticism and/or judgment because it allows me to grow and improve.  And maybe, just maybe, God used that person's "judgment" in order to help me.  Maybe...just maybe...what I thought was judging wasn't judging after all....it was the TRUTH.

Have you taken even 5 seconds to consider whether or not my "judging" of you has any merit?  Let's forget for a minute that maybe I shouldn't have.  Have you considered AT ALL that perhaps what I have said could be true?  Or are you only concerned about MY "sin" in having brought it up? I don't know you at all except for what you yourself have posted.  Any "judgment" of you has been brought up because of your own postings.

But, I suppose that if one thinks they have already attained...that they NEVER judge...that there is no room for improvement...that have the attitude of "...people like you..." as if they are somehow above them...then introspection would not be necessary. 
 
Cast, let me explain it again.

When you disobey God's command not to judge, you describe your own sins. And when you do it in a forum, you publicly document your own sins.

And now some advice. When you judge, it is a good idea to carefully check your facts. Since God is not guiding or leading you, you are more likely to make mistakes. You've made a few accusations about things I have said or believe when I never said any such thing.
 
You have no idea whether God is leading me or not.  He very well could be. And I don't mean to be unkind...not at all...but somewhere I came across this bit of wisdom:

"Unsought advice is rarely heeded and NEVER appreciated." 

It's been nice chatting with you, but I am done now.

Happy New Year! 
 
Hey! Hey!  I'm a FULL MEMBER now!  (Cast does the happy dance!)
 
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