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Vince Massi

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Our Assemblies of God church (I'm still an IFB) had its annual Christmas party at a park for our Saturday church kids here in Mexico. We usually run about 28 kids, but we had 53 today.  Because the local, accredited AOG college requires weekly outreach, we had some of their students helping us. However, I'm the onloy one who visits the route on Saturday.

Two of them drove their own vehicles. Counting me, we had two vans and a small car. When we got there, two (guy and gal) disappeared for the entire event.  Most sat at tables talking to each other. 61 years young and almost over the flu, I was out there pushing kids on the swings, playing "Es el monstro!" and supervising with little help.

HAC is full of scandal, slander, false records, etc., but they did teach us how to work.
 
Vince Massi said:
Our Assemblies of God church (I'm still an IFB) had its annual Christmas party at a park for our Saturday church kids here in Mexico. We usually run about 28 kids, but we had 53 today.  Because the local, accredited AOG college requires weekly outreach, we had some of their students helping us. However, I'm the onloy one who visits the route on Saturday.

Two of them drove their own vehicles. Counting me, we had two vans and a small car. When we got there, two (guy and gal) disappeared for the entire event.  Most sat at tables talking to each other. 61 years young and almost over the flu, I was out there pushing kids on the swings, playing "Es el monstro!" and supervising with little help.

HAC is full of scandal, slander, false records, etc., but they did teach us how to work.
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Yes, ....some of us.

Others were taught to Lord over, be worshipped by, and manipulate the worker bees.
 
Yes, Prophet, all of what you said is true. Almost everything is a mixture of Godliness and sin, and I'm afraid that sin was pretty heavy at HAC.

I should explain that the AOG students did do some work. And all of them really do love the Lord.

But when I was out there supervising a few dozen kids by myself, while twenty year olds sat at tables talking, I had to admit that HAC taught us better than that.
 
My parents taught me to work hard. I have to agree with Prophet that SOME of us learned and/or had reinforced the character of hard work. Then there were those who knew the "right" people and they learned something else.

I suppose all schools have those who work and those who don't.
 
I know dozens of Hac graduates who are in full time service. Many are in churches that are not IFB, some are not even baptist. I always wondered how so many HAC grads get recruited by non-IFB churches. I have come to realize that Pastors recruit HAC graduates not because of what they believe & don't believe, but because they know how to work & grow a ministry.

A growing ministries, regardless of the brand, needs young staff people who know how to roll up their sleeves & get the job done. If I was a pastor with a growing church I would want to hire young couples who have experience  working in outreach ministries & HAC GRADUATES fit that bill.

 
My parents taught me to work! HAC just re-enforced it
 
"I have come to realize that Pastors recruit HAC graduated not because of what they believe & don't believe, but because they know how to work & grow a ministry."

Sword, I am going to spend a long time thinking that one over. My wife does a lot of the power point work for our Assemblies of God church, and I do a lot of visiting. One deacon and one AOG missionary had expressed concern about us, but we're all friends now.
 
Let's get it right!!  It's Hackers, not HACcers!!!
 
RAIDER said:
Let's get it right!!  It's Hackers, not HACcers!!!
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No, My Friend, I have spelled it correctly. A "HACcer" is a person who really does live up to the good that was in HAC. A "Hacker" is a person who lives up to the stupidity that was in HAC.
 
They decided to cancel the Saturday Neighborhood Bible Study because it is between two holidays. But they realized this morning that they had forgotten to tell me, so they had to show up. We had a record-high 26 kids on the van, and a total of 35 kids in the Bible Study.

The Godly young married couple who showed up explained to me that they cancelled the Bible Study because it is between two holidays. The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach. She's an AOG HACcer. They are both students at an AOG college.

At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.
 
Vince Massi said:
They decided to cancel the Saturday Neighborhood Bible Study because it is between two holidays. But they realized this morning that they had forgotten to tell me, so they had to show up. We had a record-high 26 kids on the van, and a total of 35 kids in the Bible Study.

The Godly young married couple who showed up explained to me that they cancelled the Bible Study because it is between two holidays. The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach. She's an AOG HACcer. They are both students at an AOG college.

At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.
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Well, just the fact that you say that about yourself proves otherwise.  Perhaps you don't mean it to sound this way, but that statement reeks of self-importance and self-righteousness.  I don't think going to work sick is a prerequisite for being a good influence. Sheesh!
 
cast.sheep said:
Vince Massi said:
They decided to cancel the Saturday Neighborhood Bible Study because it is between two holidays. But they realized this morning that they had forgotten to tell me, so they had to show up. We had a record-high 26 kids on the van, and a total of 35 kids in the Bible Study.

The Godly young married couple who showed up explained to me that they cancelled the Bible Study because it is between two holidays. The wife was sick, but showed up anyway to teach. She's an AOG HACcer. They are both students at an AOG college.

At least I'm a good influence, as I had previously explained that if you have a ministry, you show up sick when necessary.
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Well, just the fact that you say that about yourself proves otherwise.  Perhaps you don't mean it to sound this way, but that statement reeks of self-importance and self-righteousness.  I don't think going to work sick is a prerequisite for being a good influence. Sheesh!
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I agree with cast.sheep.  Did you ever consider, Mr. Massi, that knowingly bringing a contagion into the body of Christ does more harm to your ministry than a dedicated worker missing a week of service?     
 
Got to give you a negative there, Cast, but let me explain why.

Humility is not a denial of reality--humility is an acceptance of reality. Every week-end, God blesses us with more outreach than most missionaries here get in two years. The next week-end, God does it again. To deny that would be a denial of reality.

The reality is that we are being blessed by God, not that we are great. And we realize that. Anything good in us comes from God--LITERALLY. Therefore, any success we have ultimately comes from God--LITERALLY. Because we realize that, God's blessings do not ruin us with pride.

The Bible teaches us that God resists the proud, but He is not resisting us--He is blessing us, encouraging us, and protecting us.

God is using me as a good influence on the AOG--this good influence is due to the training I received at HAC, not because I am great. If I did not realize that, God would probably not bless me, because the pride would ruin me if I gave myself the credit.
 
You do realize, that you said that I never said what you said I said, which is what I am saying: I never said it.
 
Jack Hyles often exhorted, "Don't call in...crawl in!" when it came to how to deal with being sick and work. I practiced that myself, rarely calling in sick, until I realized how bad that advice was for the overall health of the workplace. In most larger organizations, it is a policy violation to show up at work sick for that very reason.

Vince,
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and believe that you don't know how your post came off. If I was not giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would think that hard work wasn't the only lesson you learned at HAC. You also learned to make sure the number gets mentioned (in this case, 53). You also learned the JH tactic of making sure you looked like the hero in your story - always. Another lesson you learned was to make sure that you mention the superiority of your church/institution/faith in comparison with others. Again, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as I don't think that was your intent. Hopefully, you can see now why many who read the post might not have gotten the point you were trying to make.
 
Aleshanee, I was still recovering from the effects of the flu on the big day. Currently, I am suffering from allergies, as was the teacher.

Now, I'm sorry, but the the quote you quoted did not show that I said what you said I said. The quote showed that  I said what I said that I said. Paleface no speak with forked tongue--I really did say what I said that I said, not what you said that I said.
 
There's a comical side note here.

I am friends with "Raoul," pastor of a successful Bapticostal Mexican church, and I told him about this thread. He mentioned that they are baptizing six converts tomorrow. I joked that he is proud. He replied that Yes, God does resist Raoul quite a bit, but as long as He doesn't resist the work, Raoul doesn't care.
 
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