HAC Honorary Doctorate Recipients

[fishinnut]

We traveled with tour groups occasionally.  One spring tour we went to a little church in Northern Illinois pastored by a HAC grad.  I would say the church consisted mostly of homeless people.  I vividly remember feeling more welcomed by them than we did the "big name" churches we went to.  We also went to a smallish church in Western Illinois pastored by another HAC grad.  Felt the same way there.  When we left there I thought to myself..."Now THESE guys are doing it.  They are reaching a segment of society that many others won't "waste their time" on."  They didn't live in lavish homes.  The didn't drive expensive vehicles.  They don't send dozens of kids to HAC.  They were just some of the most humble and sincere servants of God I've ever met.  In my opinion, THEY are deserving of honor for the work they are doing. 

That's the problem with giving out "honorary doctorates" in the first place.  We don't really know who is worthy and who is not.  Maybe they aren't growing the largest Sunday school in the world.  But, as far as I know, they aren't molesting teenagers either.  Maybe they are reaching the person who will change the world for Christ. Only God knows.  Let's leave the honoring up to Him.

Greater Vision Faces 2005

 

[Bruh]

We traveled with tour groups occasionally.  One spring tour we went to a little church in Northern Illinois pastored by a HAC grad.  I would say the church consisted mostly of homeless people.  I vividly remember feeling more welcomed by them than we did the "big name" churches we went to.  We also went to a smallish church in Western Illinois pastored by another HAC grad.  Felt the same way there.  When we left there I thought to myself..."Now THESE guys are doing it.  They are reaching a segment of society that many others won't "waste their time" on."  They didn't live in lavish homes.  The didn't drive expensive vehicles.  They don't send dozens of kids to HAC.  They were just some of the most humble and sincere servants of God I've ever met.  In my opinion, THEY are deserving of honor for the work they are doing. 

That's the problem with giving out "honorary doctorates" in the first place.  We don't really know who is worthy and who is not.  Maybe they aren't growing the largest Sunday school in the world.  But, as far as I know, they aren't molesting teenagers either.  Maybe they are reaching the person who will change the world for Christ. Only God knows.  Let's leave the honoring up to Him.

I agree with most of your post.  The difference is that Honorary Doctorates go to those with visibly measurable success. It also takes place at state universities that give Honorary Doctorates.  It would be hard to measure success for this purpose any other way.

Possibly a poor illustration, buy take two students that go through college.  One student has "brains" and grades come very easy for him.  He studies very little and gets straight "A"s.  A second student struggles academically.  He spends countless hours studying and has a "C" average.  When graduation comes the first student graduates Magna cum laude.  The second student gets a diploma.  Is it fair?

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[RAIDER]

We traveled with tour groups occasionally.  One spring tour we went to a little church in Northern Illinois pastored by a HAC grad.  I would say the church consisted mostly of homeless people.  I vividly remember feeling more welcomed by them than we did the "big name" churches we went to.  We also went to a smallish church in Western Illinois pastored by another HAC grad.  Felt the same way there.  When we left there I thought to myself..."Now THESE guys are doing it.  They are reaching a segment of society that many others won't "waste their time" on."  They didn't live in lavish homes.  The didn't drive expensive vehicles.  They don't send dozens of kids to HAC.  They were just some of the most humble and sincere servants of God I've ever met.  In my opinion, THEY are deserving of honor for the work they are doing. 

That's the problem with giving out "honorary doctorates" in the first place.  We don't really know who is worthy and who is not.  Maybe they aren't growing the largest Sunday school in the world.  But, as far as I know, they aren't molesting teenagers either.  Maybe they are reaching the person who will change the world for Christ. Only God knows.  Let's leave the honoring up to Him.

Greater Vision Faces 2005

That is an awesome song!

 

[RAIDER]

We traveled with tour groups occasionally.  One spring tour we went to a little church in Northern Illinois pastored by a HAC grad.  I would say the church consisted mostly of homeless people.  I vividly remember feeling more welcomed by them than we did the "big name" churches we went to.  We also went to a smallish church in Western Illinois pastored by another HAC grad.  Felt the same way there.  When we left there I thought to myself..."Now THESE guys are doing it.  They are reaching a segment of society that many others won't "waste their time" on."  They didn't live in lavish homes.  The didn't drive expensive vehicles.  They don't send dozens of kids to HAC.  They were just some of the most humble and sincere servants of God I've ever met.  In my opinion, THEY are deserving of honor for the work they are doing. 

That's the problem with giving out "honorary doctorates" in the first place.  We don't really know who is worthy and who is not.  Maybe they aren't growing the largest Sunday school in the world.  But, as far as I know, they aren't molesting teenagers either.  Maybe they are reaching the person who will change the world for Christ. Only God knows.  Let's leave the honoring up to Him.

I agree with most of your post.  The difference is that Honorary Doctorates go to those with visibly measurable success. It also takes place at state universities that give Honorary Doctorates.  It would be hard to measure success for this purpose any other way.

Possibly a poor illustration, buy take two students that go through college.  One student has "brains" and grades come very easy for him.  He studies very little and gets straight "A"s.  A second student struggles academically.  He spends countless hours studying and has a "C" average.  When graduation comes the first student graduates Magna cum laude.  The second student gets a diploma.  Is it fair?

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We realize that true success is only measured in the eyes of God.  We know that faithful servants doing what people would classify as "small" works will be rewarded greatly.  We feel that many of the "big shots" will be rewarded less in eternity than those serving God out of the limelight.  I believe we all get this point.

This is not a thread to discuss whether or not any Honorary Doctorates should be given out at HAC or Notre Dame.  The thread is starting from the point that Honorary Doctorates will be given.  We are listing those who have received one from HAC.  Many people act as if every person who received a Honorary Doctorate from HAC did nothing to merit it.  We are looking at each one and giving our opinions.

 

[Tennessean]

For those of you that think Hyles Anderson College is the only school that gave out honorary doctorate degrees to people that others would question why they got them I submit this story.

In the spring of 1988 my brother graduated from Liberty University. I went to the graduation along with my family. During the Baccalaureate, where the speaker was Sen. Jessie Helms, a pastor from Chattanooga named Charles Thompson received an honorary  doctorate. After the service I was in my brother's on campus apartment and a group of friends had gathered. The talk went to the honorary doctorate. It was soon decided that this man received a doctorate for 2 reasons. 1) He was a pastor and 2) He was Jerry's friend.

So it happens everywhere.

 

[RAIDER]

For those of you that think Hyles Anderson College is the only school that gave out honorary doctorate degrees to people that others would question why they got them I submit this story.

In the spring of 1988 my brother graduated from Liberty University. I went to the graduation along with my family. During the Baccalaureate, where the speaker was Sen. Jessie Helms, a pastor from Chattanooga named Charles Thompson received an honorary  doctorate. After the service I was in my brother's on campus apartment and a group of friends had gathered. The talk went to the honorary doctorate. It was soon decided that this man received a doctorate for 2 reasons. 1) He was a pastor and 2) He was Jerry's friend.

So it happens everywhere.

Absolutely!

 

[Bruh]

Maybe the problem is not that they give them out (HAC).

Maybe the problem is the place (HAC) that is giving them out.

HAC, classes are nothing more then adult Sunday School classes that calls itself a college.

So, adult Sunday School classes giving out honorary doctrates, maybe that's the problem. 

 

[RAIDER]

Maybe the problem is not that they give them out (HAC).

Maybe the problem is the place (HAC) that is giving them out.

HAC, classes are nothing more then adult Sunday School classes that calls itself a college.

So, adult Sunday School classes giving out honorary doctrates, maybe that's the problem. 

What's the problem with a guy graduating from this inferior institution, starting a church which sees a multitude of people saved and discipled, growing a large church, sending out many missionaries, as well as starting other churches, and receiving an Honorary Doctorate.  I guess I missed your point.

 

[Bruh]

Maybe the problem is not that they give them out (HAC).

Maybe the problem is the place (HAC) that is giving them out.

HAC, classes are nothing more then adult Sunday School classes that calls itself a college.

So, adult Sunday School classes giving out honorary doctrates, maybe that's the problem. 

What's the problem with a guy graduating from this inferior institution, starting a church which sees a multitude of people saved and discipled, growing a large church, sending out many missionaries, as well as starting other churches, and receiving an Honorary Doctorate.  I guess I missed your point.

I think you made my point, "inferior institution".

How do you take a place like that serious?

I know it sounds me, but I'm not trying to be.

 

[RAIDER]

Maybe the problem is not that they give them out (HAC).

Maybe the problem is the place (HAC) that is giving them out.

HAC, classes are nothing more then adult Sunday School classes that calls itself a college.

So, adult Sunday School classes giving out honorary doctrates, maybe that's the problem. 

What's the problem with a guy graduating from this inferior institution, starting a church which sees a multitude of people saved and discipled, growing a large church, sending out many missionaries, as well as starting other churches, and receiving an Honorary Doctorate.  I guess I missed your point.

I think you made my point, "inferior institution".

How do you take a place like that serious?

I know it sounds me, but I'm not trying to be.

Did you attend HAC?

 

[Bruh]

Maybe the problem is not that they give them out (HAC).

Maybe the problem is the place (HAC) that is giving them out.

HAC, classes are nothing more then adult Sunday School classes that calls itself a college.

So, adult Sunday School classes giving out honorary doctrates, maybe that's the problem. 

What's the problem with a guy graduating from this inferior institution, starting a church which sees a multitude of people saved and discipled, growing a large church, sending out many missionaries, as well as starting other churches, and receiving an Honorary Doctorate.  I guess I missed your point.

I think you made my point, "inferior institution".

How do you take a place like that serious?

I know it sounds me, but I'm not trying to be.

Did you attend HAC?

I'm really LOL! 

No, but the academic level has been discussed many times on here.

I do know many ppl that have graduated from there that have filled me in as well.

My dad went there and we have discussed the academic level many times.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be mean but I do find it humorous.

 

[rsc2a]

People don't grow churches. God does. Why do you keep ignoring that basic point?

 

[Bruh]

People don't grow churches. God does. Why do you keep ignoring that basic point?

Because HAC did not teach that...they taught methods. And the methods they taught build great works. Right, raider?

 

[cast.sheep]

I understand the point of this thread. And it's an interesting topic.

However, the fact that Liberty is brought up reminds me of the question:
"If everybody jumped off a bridge, would you?"  Just because Liberty and other colleges do it doesn't make it right or prudent. HAC is supposed to be different, right? We do things by the Book! Unless, of course, the Book doesn't support our agenda. Then it's : "So? Other colleges do it too. We're not the only ones." I realize that's a bit over the top, but you get my drift. In some ways, HAC is no different than anywhere else. It's not about what you know, it's about who you know.

 

[RAIDER]

Did you attend HAC?

I'm really LOL! 

No, but the academic level has been discussed many times on here.

I do know many ppl that have graduated from there that have filled me in as well.

My dad went there and we have discussed the academic level many times.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be mean but I do find it humorous.

Many of us have discussed the academic level on many threads.  Because all of your information is second hand you don't have a full grip on the topic.  HAC had some teachers who did a terrible job of covering their material.  HAC also had teachers who did a great job covering their material. 

Too many people that did not attend HAC have allowed their total perception to come from places like the FFF.  While many negative things you read are spot on, others are not.  Because those to whom you have spoken have negative comments you have built HAC as a total joke that could produce nothing good. 

As I have mentioned before, there are 1000s of pastors, missionaries, and full time Christian servants that graduated from HAC.  I'm sure many of these would credit what they learned at HAC/FBCH as a great help to them.

Yes, HAC/FBCH have had some major problems, but for someone who never attended to act as if everything taught was nothing, I take issue. 

 

[RAIDER]

People don't grow churches. God does. Why do you keep ignoring that basic point?

Because HAC did not teach that...they taught methods. And the methods they taught build great works. Right, raider?

Yes, you are correct.  God builds the church.  I take it for granted that people are smart enough to realize this.  When I say, "A HAC grad built a church in Ohio" I should say, "God built a church in Ohio by using a HAC grad".  Again, I have to remember that the scorners are looking for any way to criticize.  Thank you for your ministry.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

NOT the people in this picture.

;D

 

[RAIDER]

NOT the people in this picture.

;D

Ah, my favorite serious Honorary Doctorate recipient!! Without him we would be missing 100s of posts. 

 

[Bruh]

Did you attend HAC?

I'm really LOL! 

No, but the academic level has been discussed many times on here.

I do know many ppl that have graduated from there that have filled me in as well.

My dad went there and we have discussed the academic level many times.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be mean but I do find it humorous.

Many of us have discussed the academic level on many threads.  Because all of your information is second hand you don't have a full grip on the topic.  HAC had some teachers who did a terrible job of covering their material.  HAC also had teachers who did a great job covering their material. 

Too many people that did not attend HAC have allowed their total perception to come from places like the FFF.  While many negative things you read are spot on, others are not.  Because those to whom you have spoken have negative comments you have built HAC as a total joke that could produce nothing good. 

As I have mentioned before, there are 1000s of pastors, missionaries, and full time Christian servants that graduated from HAC.  I'm sure many of these would credit what they learned at HAC/FBCH as a great help to them.

Yes, HAC/FBCH have had some major problems, but for someone who never attended to act as if everything taught was nothing, I take issue.

I understand.

 

[Bruh]

People don't grow churches. God does. Why do you keep ignoring that basic point?

Because HAC did not teach that...they taught methods. And the methods they taught build great works. Right, raider?

Yes, you are correct.  God builds the church.  I take it for granted that people are smart enough to realize this.  When I say, "A HAC grad built a church in Ohio" I should say, "God built a church in Ohio by using a HAC grad".  Again, I have to remember that the scorners are looking for any way to criticize.  Thank you for your ministry.

I guess, my issue is, it still always comes down to numbers and numbers constitutes a spiritually mature growing, great work. 

I know you would not agree with this but you seem to come across this way.