Freedom as a Pastor
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Frag said:
I am a member of a GARBC church. We have drums in the auditorium and the women wear pants if they so choose. The GARBC church in the next town over is KJVO. Guess what two churches still sweet fellowship with each other? They aren't trying to get us "kicked out" nor I we putting pressure on them to leave the association.
Never mind, you'll never understand. Your definition of independent is that YOU are in charge.
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Frag said:
A wanna-be what?
Frag, you have some great qualities but by and large you just can't help but be a jerk. You will defend any number of men that you feel have been hit by DOEG yet you have no compunction about ripping into good godly men that aren't doing it the way you were taught. I am positive if your dad could speak to you now, he would tell you to lighten up.
http://www.cpmissions.net/2003/what%20is%20cp.asp
WHAT IS THE COOPERATIVE PROGRAM? The Cooperative Program—How it came about
Since its inception in 1845, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) has always had one mission—the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20). To fulfill its assigned part of this divine mandate, each SBC entity made special offering appeals to the churches
Bold face lie. SBC is claiming Mathew 28 assigns them this holy mandate, If even partially.. Even quoting the truth (the word) while trying to corrupt it.
Mathew 28 in no way assigns any holy commands to a secular organization, period.
And how in the world a secular entity has the cahoonas to appeal to the churches for a "special Offering" is mind boggling.
Why are people so hell bent on maligning the word of God? Scamming innocent people out of their money? It's a recession, so many people are struggling financially.
A third grader can read Matthew 29:10-20 and know what it says.
And I've just gotten thru the first paragraph...
Matthew 28:10-20
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 [size=14pt]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you[/size]: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Teach all Nations, Baptizing them. This is NOT THE SBC's job. It's person orietented and takes place WITHIN THE LOCAL CHURCH. With all the power owed to him, JESUS COMMANDED THIS.
WHAT IS THE COOPERATIVE PROGRAM? The Cooperative Program—How it came about
Since its inception in 1845, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) has always had one mission—the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20). To fulfill its assigned part of this divine mandate, each SBC entity made special offering appeals to the churches
Bold face lie. SBC is claiming Mathew 28 assigns them this holy mandate, If even partially.. Even quoting the truth (the word) while trying to corrupt it.
Mathew 28 in no way assigns any holy commands to a secular organization, period.
And how in the world a secular entity has the cahoonas to appeal to the churches for a "special Offering" is mind boggling.
Why are people so hell bent on maligning the word of God? Scamming innocent people out of their money? It's a recession, so many people are struggling financially.
A third grader can read Matthew 29:10-20 and know what it says.
And I've just gotten thru the first paragraph...
Matthew 28:10-20
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 [size=14pt]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you[/size]: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Teach all Nations, Baptizing them. This is NOT THE SBC's job. It's person orietented and takes place WITHIN THE LOCAL CHURCH. With all the power owed to him, JESUS COMMANDED THIS.
Biker said:
You ought to be a garbage man, because it is clearly your calling. You lie about others and now you lie about the SBC...your ignorance is only surpassed by your lying tongue!
Contrary to the tripe and outright lies put up on here by the ignorant and the hateful. The SBC only exist as an entity for a few days a year while the cooperating churches are gathered together. It is the view of the independent local autonomous churches that the great commission is carried out by the church. The convention does not possess any authority over the church, but is representative of the churches themself. They don't "take" money from anyone nor require the giving of money to be associated with the SBC.
Here is the member churches view of the church...found in the Baptist Faith and Message...
VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an independent local congregation of
baptized believers. These believers are joined by shared agreement. These believers share in
the same faith and fellowship of the gospel. This group of baptized believers observes the
two ordinances of Christ. They are guided by His laws. They use the gifts, rights, and
privileges given to them by His Word. They are trying to present the gospel to all people on
the earth. Each congregation works under the Lordship of Christ by self-governing methods.
In this kind of congregation, each member is responsible and accountable to Christ as Lord.
The church’s scriptural officers are pastors and deacons. Both men and women are given
gifts by the Holy Spirit for service in the church. The office of pastor is limited to men that
meet the qualifications found in Scripture.
The New Testament describes the church as the Body of Christ. This church includes all of
the believers from throughout history. These believers come from every people group. They
come from every language group. They come from all people from every country.
Matthew 16:15-19; 18:15-20; Acts 2:41-42,47; 5:11-14; 6:3-6; 13:1-3; 14:23,27; 15:1-30;
16:5; 20:28; Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 3:16; 5:4-5; 7:17; 9:13-14; 12; Ephesians 1:22-
23; 2:19-22; 3:8-11,21; 5:22-32; Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:18; 1 Timothy 2:9-14; 3:1-15;
4:14; Hebrews 11:39-40; 1 Peter 5:1-4; Revelation 2-3; 21:2-3.
Here is the member churches view of the church...found in the Baptist Faith and Message...
VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an independent local congregation of
baptized believers. These believers are joined by shared agreement. These believers share in
the same faith and fellowship of the gospel. This group of baptized believers observes the
two ordinances of Christ. They are guided by His laws. They use the gifts, rights, and
privileges given to them by His Word. They are trying to present the gospel to all people on
the earth. Each congregation works under the Lordship of Christ by self-governing methods.
In this kind of congregation, each member is responsible and accountable to Christ as Lord.
The church’s scriptural officers are pastors and deacons. Both men and women are given
gifts by the Holy Spirit for service in the church. The office of pastor is limited to men that
meet the qualifications found in Scripture.
The New Testament describes the church as the Body of Christ. This church includes all of
the believers from throughout history. These believers come from every people group. They
come from every language group. They come from all people from every country.
Matthew 16:15-19; 18:15-20; Acts 2:41-42,47; 5:11-14; 6:3-6; 13:1-3; 14:23,27; 15:1-30;
16:5; 20:28; Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 3:16; 5:4-5; 7:17; 9:13-14; 12; Ephesians 1:22-
23; 2:19-22; 3:8-11,21; 5:22-32; Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:18; 1 Timothy 2:9-14; 3:1-15;
4:14; Hebrews 11:39-40; 1 Peter 5:1-4; Revelation 2-3; 21:2-3.
(SBC) has always had one mission—the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19-20). To fulfill its assigned part of this divine mandate, each SBC entity made special offering appeals to the churches
Cooperative Program — How it works
Simply put, it begins with you. You give yourself first to God (2 Cor. 8:5). Next, out of gratitude and obedience to God for what He has done for you, you commit to give back to Him, through your church, a portion of what He provides. This is commonly called a tithe and represents ten percent of your income (Lev. 27:30, Mal. 3:10)
The Manure sure reeks here!^^^ This is "Commonly called" a tithe and represents 10% of your income. No, it doesn't represent 10% of my income because it DOESN'T APPLY TO ME and IF IT DID, IT WOULD APPLY TO GIVING TO THE LOCAL CHURCH. And not for the purpose of funneling money to secular organization.
Cooperative Program — How it works
Simply put, it begins with you. You give yourself first to God (2 Cor. 8:5). Next, out of gratitude and obedience to God for what He has done for you, you commit to give back to Him, through your church, a portion of what He provides. This is commonly called a tithe and represents ten percent of your income (Lev. 27:30, Mal. 3:10)
The Manure sure reeks here!^^^ This is "Commonly called" a tithe and represents 10% of your income. No, it doesn't represent 10% of my income because it DOESN'T APPLY TO ME and IF IT DID, IT WOULD APPLY TO GIVING TO THE LOCAL CHURCH. And not for the purpose of funneling money to secular organization.
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BamaFan said:
I think your post is indicative of the way "Independent" Fundamental Baptists operate. When I was one, I was under scrutiny. I was told once at a preacher's fellowship that if I had a certain person from a certain school speak, even though he was officially in a fundamentalist school, that I would not be asked to speak at the Pastor's fellowship again.
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Former pastor invited a man to speak in his church. BJU did not approve of the arrangement and excommunicated the pastor for not "obeying" them when they told him no to allow the man to preach. Same in any of the IFB "camps". The whole "independence" thing is a self delusion. The IFB emperor (Man-O-God) hasn't any clothes.
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Biker said:
You'd should really investigate how many SBC churches believe in the tithe. It might surprise you. Either way, such resolutions are not biding within the organization.
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[quote author=Frag]
Nope. Stinkin compromisers!
Is a married man still single? [/quote]
Frag - How many books are in your Bible?
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Why? (Hmm....again, "independent" is an fundamental impossibility when it comes to the Church.)
Nope. Stinkin compromisers!
Is a married man still single? [/quote]
Frag - How many books are in your Bible?
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Why? (Hmm....again, "independent" is an fundamental impossibility when it comes to the Church.)