FBCH/HAC staff members who are no longer IFB

Bravo said:
RAIDER said:
Still There said:
Brad Strand, Keith Gomez, Dave Hyles (DUH)

Even though Gomez doesn't associate with FBCH anymore, I would still consider him a IFB FBCH 'type".

lol. I'm sure he considers himself to be more FBCH than those of us at FBCH.

Gomez called Schaap a heretic from behind his pulpit after Schaap's Lord's Supper teaching.  I believe he was one of the guys that didn't like Schaap from the very beginning.  At one time I thought it might be jealously, but looking back I'm not sure.
 
Binaca Chugger said:
tobytyler said:
Binaca Chugger said:
Still There said:
Well, Fred Mooney left and is doing very well.  The public school he coaches at just won state champions - Marquette.  Way to go Fred.  The rest of his family, besides his mom are also all gone.  They all go to Bethel.

Does he still pick kids up out of their chair, carry them outside and repeatedly slam them into the locker?

'Twas a quite regular thing when I attended.

:-\


Also a regular thing for Fred in the early 80's was to give swats to the poor kids who forgot their P.E. change of clothes at home.  It was vicious with a 2x4 that had packaging tape wrapped onto the outside.  He thought it was real funny when he'd forget to paddle the same kid for a few days and then he'd have a "Payback Day" where he'd dish out the swats for the accumulated days all at once.  A BIG JERK!  (Also shameful, was that this kid was being raised by a single mom who was a secretary at FBC. Mooney could've made a huge difference in this kid's life, but chose to take a bully approach.  This still burns me up 33 years later.

That answers alot.  I have a family member who was in HB during the early 80's.  My family member used to get very angry any time Fred's name was mentioned.  He has grown as a Christian, and now simply leaves the room.  Whatever happened, it scarred my family member VERY deeply.  Personally, I saw Fred abuse kids in class (as I mentioned earlier).  One of those cases where us HB punks knew something wasn't right, but, due to the bubble we lived in, had no clue what to do - so we rebelled.

If the Father's were around and allowed their children to be abused/treated this way, shame on them. 

I'm not trying to be tough on a forum but let me say, I would be spending 30 days or so in jail if some guy wants to act tough and bully one of my kids this way.  I've been left for dead in ditches in my day.  I'll be ------ if some so say, MOG is gonna get away with that and I find out about it. 

I'm sure many would agree blood boils different when its your kid. 
 
RAIDER said:
Bravo said:
RAIDER said:
Still There said:
Brad Strand, Keith Gomez, Dave Hyles (DUH)

Even though Gomez doesn't associate with FBCH anymore, I would still consider him a IFB FBCH 'type".

lol. I'm sure he considers himself to be more FBCH than those of us at FBCH.

Gomez called Schaap a heretic from behind his pulpit after Schaap's Lord's Supper teaching.  I believe he was one of the guys that didn't like Schaap from the very beginning.  At one time I thought it might be jealously, but looking back I'm not sure.

Keith Gomez thought he was a shoe-in for the pastorate of FBC.  That's where the disgruntled came from.  Rub your nose in is Schaap!
 
Still There said:
RAIDER said:
Bravo said:
RAIDER said:
Still There said:
Brad Strand, Keith Gomez, Dave Hyles (DUH)

Even though Gomez doesn't associate with FBCH anymore, I would still consider him a IFB FBCH 'type".

lol. I'm sure he considers himself to be more FBCH than those of us at FBCH.

Gomez called Schaap a heretic from behind his pulpit after Schaap's Lord's Supper teaching.  I believe he was one of the guys that didn't like Schaap from the very beginning.  At one time I thought it might be jealously, but looking back I'm not sure.

Keith Gomez thought he was a shoe-in for the pastorate of FBC.  That's where the disgruntled came from.  Rub your nose in is Schaap!

Keith Gomez wife was a virgin when they got married. 
 
Still There said:
RAIDER said:
Bravo said:
RAIDER said:
Still There said:
Brad Strand, Keith Gomez, Dave Hyles (DUH)

Even though Gomez doesn't associate with FBCH anymore, I would still consider him a IFB FBCH 'type".

lol. I'm sure he considers himself to be more FBCH than those of us at FBCH.

Gomez called Schaap a heretic from behind his pulpit after Schaap's Lord's Supper teaching.  I believe he was one of the guys that didn't like Schaap from the very beginning.  At one time I thought it might be jealously, but looking back I'm not sure.

Keith Gomez thought he was a shoe-in for the pastorate of FBC.  That's where the disgruntled came from.  Rub your nose in is Schaap!

Neal, Gomez, Grey, Owens, Young, Schaap

Does anyone recall any others who thought they would be the next leader of fundamentalism at the time?
 
Bruh said:
Binaca Chugger said:
tobytyler said:
Binaca Chugger said:
Still There said:
Well, Fred Mooney left and is doing very well.  The public school he coaches at just won state champions - Marquette.  Way to go Fred.  The rest of his family, besides his mom are also all gone.  They all go to Bethel.

Does he still pick kids up out of their chair, carry them outside and repeatedly slam them into the locker?

'Twas a quite regular thing when I attended.

:-\


Also a regular thing for Fred in the early 80's was to give swats to the poor kids who forgot their P.E. change of clothes at home.  It was vicious with a 2x4 that had packaging tape wrapped onto the outside.  He thought it was real funny when he'd forget to paddle the same kid for a few days and then he'd have a "Payback Day" where he'd dish out the swats for the accumulated days all at once.  A BIG JERK!  (Also shameful, was that this kid was being raised by a single mom who was a secretary at FBC. Mooney could've made a huge difference in this kid's life, but chose to take a bully approach.  This still burns me up 33 years later.

That answers alot.  I have a family member who was in HB during the early 80's.  My family member used to get very angry any time Fred's name was mentioned.  He has grown as a Christian, and now simply leaves the room.  Whatever happened, it scarred my family member VERY deeply.  Personally, I saw Fred abuse kids in class (as I mentioned earlier).  One of those cases where us HB punks knew something wasn't right, but, due to the bubble we lived in, had no clue what to do - so we rebelled.

If the Father's were around and allowed their children to be abused/treated this way, shame on them. 

I'm not trying to be tough on a forum but let me say, I would be spending 30 days or so in jail if some guy wants to act tough and bully one of my kids this way.  I've been left for dead in ditches in my day.  I'll be damned if some so say, MOG is gonna get away with that and I find out about it. 

I'm sure many would agree blood boils different when its your kid.

Fred was no MOG.  He was a bully who grew up in Hammond and continued to bully students as a Jr. High teacher.  When incidents happened during my class, I told my dad, who addressed the issue with the principal (TV) and, supposedly, Fred was reprimanded.  Little did I know that what the whole class witnessed is now considered criminal behavior.  Events took place at school where he was a teacher, so no parents were present.  Only a couple of people know if he was ever really addressed or punished by the system for his actions.  I am not one of them.
 
sword said:
Still There said:
RAIDER said:
Bravo said:
RAIDER said:
Still There said:
Brad Strand, Keith Gomez, Dave Hyles (DUH)

Even though Gomez doesn't associate with FBCH anymore, I would still consider him a IFB FBCH 'type".

lol. I'm sure he considers himself to be more FBCH than those of us at FBCH.

Gomez called Schaap a heretic from behind his pulpit after Schaap's Lord's Supper teaching.  I believe he was one of the guys that didn't like Schaap from the very beginning.  At one time I thought it might be jealously, but looking back I'm not sure.

Keith Gomez thought he was a shoe-in for the pastorate of FBC.  That's where the disgruntled came from.  Rub your nose in is Schaap!

Neal, Gomez, Grey, Owens, Young, Schaap

Does anyone recall any others who thought they would be the next leader of fundamentalism at the time?

LOL! 

I remember Neal preached a whole sermon, maybe even published it nationwide, about a dream he had where Jack Hyles was leaving earth and dropped the his mantle onto Tom.  Ol' Tom thought sure he was going to sway the world with the old trick of Charlemagne.  I guess he proved himself to be a charlatan.  :P
 
What is Jeff Owens doing now since he was also defrocked, thanks to his wife?  He's been real quiet.  Or was that swept  under the rug too?
 
Binaca Chugger said:
LOL! 

I remember Neal preached a whole sermon, maybe even published it nationwide, about a dream he had where Jack Hyles was leaving earth and dropped the his mantle onto Tom.  Ol' Tom thought sure he was going to sway the world with the old trick of Charlemagne.  I guess he proved himself to be a charlatan.  :P

Neal sure has been quiet for a while.
 
RAIDER said:
Binaca Chugger said:
LOL! 

I remember Neal preached a whole sermon, maybe even published it nationwide, about a dream he had where Jack Hyles was leaving earth and dropped the his mantle onto Tom.  Ol' Tom thought sure he was going to sway the world with the old trick of Charlemagne.  I guess he proved himself to be a charlatan.  :P

Neal sure has been quiet for a while.

Maybe he got an honest job for a change.
 
Still There, do you remember rumors that Jeff Owens was going to be the successor to JS? I almost died when I heard that rumor... and it seemed credible because of the visit that he paid to HAC shortly after the scandal. I was beside myself with anger over that possibility...so glad it was just a rumor. Or....was it? We'll likely never know if that agenda wasn't one someone was trying to push.
 
brainisengaged said:
Still There, do you remember rumors that Jeff Owens was going to be the successor to JS? I almost died when I heard that rumor... and it seemed credible because of the visit that he paid to HAC shortly after the scandal. I was beside myself with anger over that possibility...so glad it was just a rumor. Or....was it? We'll likely never know if that agenda wasn't one someone was trying to push.

Oh yes, he thought he had it.  And our family like many others were ready to leave if he did.  I could just see the look on his face, ready to take that step up to the pulpit hearing his name called and the bomb drops and Jack's name was called.  One man couldn't keep it in and the other man's wife couldn't either.  So unfortunately we lost on both ends.  I was just reading something his wife wrote on running a nursery and I laughed and laughed.  She never stepped foot in the FBC nursery all the years they were there and I'm sure all the years he was at his church she never was there either.  I ran the FBC nursery and she asked me questions.  I told her if she wants to learn how to run a nursery - come on in.  She looked at me and with that look of ignorance - turned around and walked away.  She never asked me again and I never told her.  So now she's giving advice on how to run a nursery.  I never did like either of them from the beginning.  Does anyone know what their children are doing these days? 
 
Still There said:
What is Jeff Owens doing now since he was also defrocked, thanks to his wife?  He's been real quiet.  Or was that swept  under the rug too?

He recently accepted the pastorate of a tiny church in Carolina.
 
Tom Brennan said:
Still There said:
What is Jeff Owens doing now since he was also defrocked, thanks to his wife?  He's been real quiet.  Or was that swept  under the rug too?

He recently accepted the pastorate of a tiny church in Carolina.

"Sir, there are no TINY churches!!"  :)
 
RAIDER said:
"Sir, there are no TINY churches!!"  :)

That does it. Now I'm going to have leave my office, walk up the stairs, and use the altar...
 
Tom Brennan said:
RAIDER said:
"Sir, there are no TINY churches!!"  :)

That does it. Now I'm going to have leave my office, walk up the stairs, and use the altar...

Now go out and build the largest church in Chicagoland!!
 
Tom Brennan said:
Still There said:
What is Jeff Owens doing now since he was also defrocked, thanks to his wife?  He's been real quiet.  Or was that swept  under the rug too?

He recently accepted the pastorate of a tiny church in Carolina.

So glad to hear this. I am not a Jeff Owens type but he is a good man and I am happy he has found a place to start again.
 
There you go Tom......edited. 
 
Still There said:
brainisengaged said:
Still There, do you remember rumors that Jeff Owens was going to be the successor to JS? I almost died when I heard that rumor... and it seemed credible because of the visit that he paid to HAC shortly after the scandal. I was beside myself with anger over that possibility...so glad it was just a rumor. Or....was it? We'll likely never know if that agenda wasn't one someone was trying to push.

Oh yes, he thought he had it.  And our family like many others were ready to leave if he did.  I could just see the look on his face, ready to take that step up to the pulpit hearing his name called and the bomb drops and Jack's name was called.  One man couldn't keep it in and the other man's wife couldn't either.  So unfortunately we lost on both ends.  I was just reading something his wife wrote on running a nursery and I laughed and laughed.  She never stepped foot in the FBC nursery all the years they were there and I'm sure all the years he was at his church she never was there either.  I ran the FBC nursery and she asked me questions.  I told her if she wants to learn how to run a nursery - come on in.  She looked at me and with that look of ignorance - turned around and walked away.  She never asked me again and I never told her.  So now she's giving advice on how to run a nursery.  I never did like either of them from the beginning.  Does anyone know what their children are doing these days?

Here's the deal. We were burned bad by following the Hyles way of selecting a pastor, the tape he gave to us when

he thought he was going to die.

It was filled with his philosophy but totally lacking God's way. God's way, the only thing we cared about.

We used the blueprint for a pastor recorded in Timothy and Titus.

What was good for Timothy and Titus was good for us, away with man's way.



JO could not get past the first point,

1) not apprehended, that cannot be laid hold of

2) that cannot be reprehended, not open to censure, irreproachable.

Down in flames. Where there's smoke there's fire.

When you have wife trouble you are not qualified to shepherd the flock.

Get yourself some help first don't inflict the church with your failure.

He is a poor example of a Christian husband. Enough said.


Down further you have children in subjection. He had his own DH type of son starting on the DH style of life.

He thought he was a great preacher and leader. Us, not so much. Don't forget we watched him and his family

up close for years. Again massive disqualification.


I think he can work at a factory or sell real-estate.  Pastor? Deacon? No. Bad example for church members.


4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)


Well that's what we learned was God's wisdom on the matter.

We are now reaping the whirlwind after all those years of following Bro. Hyles wisdom. He was all about JH.

We now see both JH and JS were disqualified.


Other names listed here in my opinion are proud disqualified blowhards. They think they are MOGs. No. No. No.

They are not, just little Jack Hyles-es, and poor imitations at that. We do not need or want more Jack Hyles-es.

Like cheap costume jewelry, all sparkle and dazzle with no real substance.


Take the world and its wisdom, just give me Jesus.
 
bgwilkinson said:
RAIDER said:
Binaca Chugger said:
LOL! 

I remember Neal preached a whole sermon, maybe even published it nationwide, about a dream he had where Jack Hyles was leaving earth and dropped the his mantle onto Tom.  Ol' Tom thought sure he was going to sway the world with the old trick of Charlemagne.  I guess he proved himself to be a charlatan.  :P

Neal sure has been quiet for a while.

Maybe he got an honest job for a change.

Nope.  He joined the sword crowd.  promotes his college as some great thing.  Still claims closer affiliation to JH than anyone else.  Butters up to anyone who will listen to him. 
 
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