FBCH calls another Jack . . .

[Ransom]

First Baptist Church has voted to have John Wilkerson as the next pastor of our church with a 94% vote.

Link

So . . . is this Wilkerson guy an improvement, or is it just another round of the same-old-same-old?

 

[T-Bone]

Time will tell.  The one post I saw that irritates me is the one that says "94% percent of the church is for this, now if the other 6% will get behind this and change their vote we can make this unanimous".  Why ask people to share how the feel in a vote and then after they do, ask them to join the majority and make it "unanimous".  It's not unanimous, it will never be unanimous...they voted as they felt led and it is what it is...stop the sheeple inbreeding!

 

[Sherryh]

First Baptist Church has voted to have John Wilkerson as the next pastor of our church with a 94% vote.

Link

So . . . is this Wilkerson guy an improvement, or is it just another round of the same-old-same-old?

Everyone has their opinion but only time will tell how this is going to work. I'm looking at it excited because John Wilkerson isn't a yes person. Listen to his tapes. I will not be surprised to see alot of changes for the good!!

 

[Timothy]

He has a challenging position and job ahead of him. It won't be easy.

 

[christundivided]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

 

[Timothy]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

I also wonder if perhaps preaching was his way of dealing with it.

 

[christundivided]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

I also wonder if perhaps preaching was his way of dealing with it.

What a way to deal with grief..... Even if was.... you don't brag about it or let someone else use it as a means to promote your spirituality or their good choice.

 

[Timothy]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

I also wonder if perhaps preaching was his way of dealing with it.

What a way to deal with grief..... Even if was.... you don't brag about it or let someone else use it as a means to promote your spirituality or their good choice.

Comes with the territory I suppose.

 

[BALAAM]

FBCH boasts a membership of 15,000 and some say 40,000. Even if it were 10,000 they only had a little over 2000 that voted. I wish him the best but I am concerned with a lot of the resident bobble-heads on the platform that he will inherit. Some of those same guys sat in schaap's office and listened to him f-this and g-d-that and never batted an eyelash.

 

[Sherryh]

Balaam, Good points, I'm hoping the best for FBC so maybe the yes boys will be looking to expand their horizons and leave............

 

[Anchor]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

Pardon me if I judge your judgmentalism, but that is somewhat over the top.  You have no idea what was going on inside him, or of the Holy Spirit's influence in his decision-making.  All you know is the standard you would set for yourself, and that is the standard he is held to.  Wow!  Just wow!

 

[Sherryh]

Anchor, My husband and I listened to the sermon about how he dealt with his son's death. Boy I totally agree with your words until you walk those steps you really have no thought to open your mouth.Be careful about saying what you would do until you face that decision. I lost a child now 19 years ago and to this day we tear up talking about what might have been...........

 

[christundivided]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

Pardon me if I judge your judgmentalism, but that is somewhat over the top.  You have no idea what was going on inside him, or of the Holy Spirit's influence in his decision-making.  All you know is the standard you would set for yourself, and that is the standard he is held to.  Wow!  Just wow!

You must be a supporter.....

Do you know any bible examples? What did David do when his son Absalom died? What did Israel do when Moses died? Or when any good King of Israel died? Did any of them mourn? How long?

The man obviously wears it as a badge of honor. I mean how long has it been since it happened and he is still getting PRAISED for it. The "church" is even using it to show how "spiritual" the man is and to show how "qualified" he is for the position. Pitiful. Even if he did it for the "right reasons".... its shameful to "TRUMPET" such a thing.

 

[christundivided]

Anchor, My husband and I listened to the sermon about how he dealt with his son's death. Boy I totally agree with your words until you walk those steps you really have no thought to open your mouth.Be careful about saying what you would do until you face that decision. I lost a child now 19 years ago and to this day we tear up talking about what might have been...........

I've had loved ones die. Just like most anyone has. My mother, father, sister, and all my grand parents are gone to be with the Lord. I ONE elderly Aunt left on my mother's side. I know about death. MOST PEOPLE don't go out a few days later and preach a sermon on "God doesn't make mistakes". I don't care how spiritual you think you are or he is.... such is nonsense.

 

[Just John]

He has a challenging position and job ahead of him. It won't be easy.

Well...he has experience. He cleaned up after Mark Chappel's mess who cleaned up after his dad Paul's mess. I'm kind of surprised they went this route as it opens up old IFB scandals in the same church somewhat even though it's certainly not this guy's fault. I do hope he makes good changes. He's still way too fundy in standards for my taste but I didn't get to vote but if they are for the right reasons good on him.

 

[Izdaari]

I think Wilkerson is a definite improvement. But I don't think they're giving him the power to make the necessary changes, so it appears the swamp will not get drained.

 

[christundivided]

He has a challenging position and job ahead of him. It won't be easy.

Well...he has experience. He cleaned up after Mark Chappel's mess who cleaned up after his dad Paul's mess. I'm kind of surprised they went this route as it opens up old IFB scandals in the same church somewhat even though it's certainly not this guy's fault. I do hope he makes good changes. He's still way too fundy in standards for my taste but I didn't get to vote but if they are for the right reasons good on him.

Just curious why any church would seek a pastor from another successful church??? All this competition for the really good men. Makes you wonder what's going on.....

 

[T-Bone]

He has a challenging position and job ahead of him. It won't be easy.

Well...he has experience. He cleaned up after Mark Chappel's mess who cleaned up after his dad Paul's mess. I'm kind of surprised they went this route as it opens up old IFB scandals in the same church somewhat even though it's certainly not this guy's fault. I do hope he makes good changes. He's still way too fundy in standards for my taste but I didn't get to vote but if they are for the right reasons good on him.

Just curious why any church would seek a pastor from another successful church??? All this competition for the really good men. Makes you wonder what's going on.....

If you think about it, it puts a whole new spin on ..."thou shall not covet"!

 

[Fresh Air]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

Pardon me if I judge your judgmentalism, but that is somewhat over the top.  You have no idea what was going on inside him, or of the Holy Spirit's influence in his decision-making.  All you know is the standard you would set for yourself, and that is the standard he is held to.  Wow!  Just wow!

Anchor saved me the trouble of typing it...

 

[Ransom]

Just curious why any church would seek a pastor from another successful church???

Really? Makes perfect sense to me. FBCH is all about numbers - that's how they measure success - by growth.

If Jacky The Third didn't come from a successful church, it would have been prima facie evidence that he couldn't sell FBCH's product.