FBC Hammond and their New Pastor

Tarheel Baptist said:
What do you Hyles alumni think of the new Pastor?
As one on the outside looking in, he seems like a good candidate to turn the place around, in that he has a pretty good track record in his former church. I'm praying that God uses him to clean up the mess and make the church and ministry there profitable for the sake of the Kingdom!
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ditto
 
I heard that he said that trying to get used to things here feels like trying to paint a freight train when it's moving at full speed! He believes we need some rest.
 
myeyesareopen said:
I heard that he said that trying to get used to things here feels like trying to paint a freight train when it's moving at full speed! He believes we need some rest.
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And herein lies much of the problem (past and present).
 
We have been listening to the sermons............he is God sent for such a time as this............
 
Haven't met the new pastor yet. Refuse to fawn, and you can be sure there is a WHOLE lot of that going on...I figure Jesus knows who I am and if He thinks the pastor needs to be aware of me, He will make that happen. If not, then fine. The important people are making sure their importance is known and that will take the new pastor's attention for a while...
 
myeyesareopen said:
Haven't met the new pastor yet. Refuse to fawn, and you can be sure there is a WHOLE lot of that going on...I figure Jesus knows who I am and if He thinks the pastor needs to be aware of me, He will make that happen. If not, then fine. The important people are making sure their importance is known and that will take the new pastor's attention for a while...
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Yup. I can tell you go to fbch! This sounds like a snapshot of the church.
 
Lapina doing the intro killed that moment for the church.  Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
 
Remember it's going to come back and get him good............you can't lie and get away with it.....................
 
qwerty said:
Lapina doing the intro killed that moment for the church.  Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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I agree and it is not because of his untruth about schaap. I have known him for a long time and let's just say that everything I would ever hear him say I let go in one ear and out of the other. (sometimes I don't even let it in one ear)
 
BALAAM said:
qwerty said:
Lapina doing the intro killed that moment for the church.  Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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I agree and it is not because of his untruth about schaap. I have known him for a long time and let's just say that everything I would ever hear him say I let go in one ear and out of the other. (sometimes I don't even let it in one ear)
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Amen.  I can testify to his dishonesty, as well.

Anishinabe

 
prophet said:
BALAAM said:
qwerty said:
Lapina doing the intro killed that moment for the church.  Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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I agree and it is not because of his untruth about schaap. I have known him for a long time and let's just say that everything I would ever hear him say I let go in one ear and out of the other. (sometimes I don't even let it in one ear)
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Amen.  I can testify to his dishonesty, as well.

Anishinabe
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Eddie has his own long history - that's for sure.
 
Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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Je me souviens. Can't possibly forget!

I cannot claim I've never let a lie pass forth from my lips. I have.

Does that mean I cannot, in my mind, hold EL's feet to the fire for the lie he bald-facedly told the church that morning?

I feel it is different. When I've told a lie, I was only representing myself. (Albeit poorly) When EL stands up as a pastor and tells the entire church a lie, he is representing Someone Else and I believe it is WRONG to lie in His name. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain...

It was a turning point for me. It was when I realized at FBC the church itself is an idol. We believe we are in a war, so we believe people (the people of the church) are the necessary casualities of war. Walk all over people, leave the wounded strewn along the wayside, use people to advance the cause, and yes-- lie when necessary to protect the church. There is nothing wrong with that in their eyes. Jesus can not accomplish His mission (save the world) without us employing these tactics. All is fair in love and war.

I've never felt the same about things since that moment.

JW is taking the stance that he absolutely and unequivocably stands behind every staff member and loves them dearly, as if to agree that the only problem ever at this church was JS himself and now if we will all just buck up like good little soldiers we can get back in the battle.

 
myeyesareopen said:
Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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Je me souviens. Can't possibly forget!

I cannot claim I've never let a lie pass forth from my lips. I have.

Does that mean I cannot, in my mind, hold EL's feet to the fire for the lie he bald-facedly told the church that morning?

I feel it is different. When I've told a lie, I was only representing myself. (Albeit poorly) When EL stands up as a pastor and tells the entire church a lie, he is representing Someone Else and I believe it is WRONG to lie in His name. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain...

It was a turning point for me. It was when I realized at FBC the church itself is an idol. We believe we are in a war, so we believe people (the people of the church) are the necessary casualities of war. Walk all over people, leave the wounded strewn along the wayside, use people to advance the cause, and yes-- lie when necessary to protect the church. There is nothing wrong with that in their eyes. Jesus can not accomplish His mission (save the world) without us employing these tactics. All is fair in love and war.

I've never felt the same about things since that moment.

JW is taking the stance that he absolutely and unequivocably stands behind every staff member and loves them dearly, as if to agree that the only problem ever at this church was JS himself and now if we will all just buck up like good little soldiers we can get back in the battle.
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This is good. You can read the same stuff in catholic history that they believed the same thing even to the point of killing non-catholics. Now fbch has never gone this far (that I know of) but they are on the verge if you ask me.

I still like what you said about the important people letting him know of their importance. Simple statement but very profound if you have spent much time at fbch.
 
myeyesareopen said:
Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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It was a turning point for me. It was when I realized at FBC the church itself is an idol.
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MHHmmmm... been there done that, got the t-shirt and the video. It is disappointing and sad for sure but I do hope Pastor Wilkerson is able to help everyone realize that the church is nothing without Jesus Christ. Something about worshipping the creation more than the Creator...
 
myeyesareopen said:
It was a turning point for me. It was when I realized at FBC the church itself is an idol. We believe we are in a war, so we believe people (the people of the church) are the necessary casualities of war. Walk all over people, leave the wounded strewn along the wayside, use people to advance the cause, and yes-- lie when necessary to protect the church. There is nothing wrong with that in their eyes. Jesus can not accomplish His mission (save the world) without us employing these tactics. All is fair in love and war.
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...that is a really perceptive statement.
 
qwerty said:
Lapina doing the intro killed that moment for the church.  Wonder how many folks still think about him lying to the church that Sunday morning about what was happening to "Bro. Schaap"?
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The lying thing,... I don't know about everyone else,... The more Eddie spoke that morning the worse he was doing. It was like the old Joe Isuzu commercials (yeah Qwerty a good picture would be appropriate ) "he is sick, he needs his rest, don't call him,... I spoke to him for 3.5 hours yesterday" What?!!

The whole sabbatical for 6 months,.... What?!?

When he was finally done (maybe 15-20 minutes later) I knew we were lied to. Incoherent ramings. Truth is by that point I think many of us were a bit numb because of the preaching and direction were leaving people more attached to their SS Classes than to their church.
 
When he was finally done (maybe 15-20 minutes later) I knew we were lied to. Incoherent ramblings. Truth is by that point I think many of us were a bit numb because of the preaching and direction were leaving people more attached to their SS Classes than to their church.
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Yes, he took so many twists and turns that morning...I felt sick.
 
If you two believe that way, and I know there are several others, then there also must be many, many others that feel that way. Why is he allowed to remain on staff?

I'm not suggesting a revolution or anything, but c'mon, the man EL needs to go.  He has exhibited on multiple occassions that he is not an honest man, and he has no place in his position.  Besides, he's wishy-washy.  I have a hard time even looking at "men" who are wishy-washy.  Puke!   

Someone needs to do something. 

JMO
 
Truth is by that point I think many of us were a bit numb because of the preaching and direction were leaving people more attached to their SS Classes than to their church.
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Dead on Bravo.
 
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