Deceit

JustABigKid said:
Vince,

Question?

If a young person came to you for advice about a college to attend and they were considering either HAC or OBC. What would you tell them and why?

I wouldn't handle it they way you expect. Different people are in different situations, with different needs. I would start by talking to the young person about his spiritual situation. If it were you, I would ask you about your relationship to Jim Vineyard, and what he did that has you so angry at him.
 
Methinks Vince, like his sister Jeri, has an obsession gene that he has wrongly labeled 'justice'. I haven't seen this much illogical argumentation and crusader zeal combined with a curious ability to ignore pertinent questions since the last time I saw a lilypad...
 
Tom Brennan said:
Methinks Vince, like his sister Jeri, has an obsession gene that he has wrongly labeled 'justice'. I haven't seen this much illogical argumentation and crusader zeal combined with a curious ability to ignore pertinent questions since the last time I saw a lilypad...

I didn't have the guts to say it, but I was thinking there must have been something in the water too.
 
Vince Massi said:
JustABigKid said:
Vince,

Question?

If a young person came to you for advice about a college to attend and they were considering either HAC or OBC. What would you tell them and why?

I wouldn't handle it they way you expect. Different people are in different situations, with different needs. I would start by talking to the young person about his spiritual situation. If it were you, I would ask you about your relationship to Jim Vineyard, and what he did that has you so angry at him.

It seems to me that you are the one who is posting junk about jv and not anybody else.
 
qwerty said:
Tom Brennan said:
Methinks Vince, like his sister Jeri, has an obsession gene that he has wrongly labeled 'justice'. I haven't seen this much illogical argumentation and crusader zeal combined with a curious ability to ignore pertinent questions since the last time I saw a lilypad...

I didn't have the guts to say it, but I was thinking there must have been something in the water too.

As did I.  Sometimes when I read his posts, I feel like Mexico is a planet in some other galaxy other than our home Milky Way. 
 
BALAAM said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Vince makes little to no sense at all? :-\

You my good man are NOT alone in this.
 
Its called covering the wagons. I'm still waiting for the names of the roadway gang
 
Bravo said:
BALAAM said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Vince makes little to no sense at all? :-\

You my good man are NOT alone in this.
Actually, he makes quite a lot of sense.  As long as you understand that there is chicken, and there is bones...

The "blind loyalists" drinking the kook-aid and the angry malcontents drawing the crusader sword will not understand this.  To them, it is all chicken, or all bones.  Maturity teaches you there is both. 
 
Sherryh said:
I'm still waiting for the names of the roadway gang
Vince has stated several times that a promise was elicited from him not to reveal those names.  It appears that he intends to honor his word then given regardless if he disagrees with the way it was obtained.  *Salutes for that*

Might I suggest there are some likely indications of people you would probably recognize -- though the names are not necessarily given -- on  the "Roadway Gang" thread over at the old "dot com" site, where at least the existence of these pranksters gone too far is confirmed in a post on page 24.
 
Sherryh said:
Its called covering the wagons. I'm still waiting for the names of the roadway gang

You know every one of them.  I was not one, and neither was CF.

Actually there was never a Roadway "gang."  There was at least one incident of a group of UPS workers bullying a weakling by forcing him out of their car while on a return trip to campus from having worked the night shift at UPS.  The site of the drop-off was a Roadway trucking company terminal near Dyer or Chicago Heights or some such.

Because I was best friends with the ring leader of that group (DC), many thought that I, too, was part of the "gang."  I never worked at UPS, but unfortunately I had a reputation for bullying weaklings; so it was reasonable for people to believe that I was in that group.

As for "gangsters" and such, these too were non-existence.  There were "cliques" who competed against each other for numbers on their bus routes, the adoration of co-eds, and the envy of lesser-known preacher boys.  I certainly was involved with that.

There were two major cliques -- one dubbed the DN group; the other dubbed the DC group.  I belonged to the DC group.  The fact is that the highest attendance day for the DN group was less than the average day for the DC group.  Alas, the DN group was more popular with the faculty and staff -- their leader having arrived to HAC from one of the more influential of JH's cohorts.

JV was courted heavily by both groups.  We all wanted his approval.  He showed respect to members from both groups, and seemed to play us against each other.  It is true that JV held boxing matches at the bus barn -- such matches in which I was forced (and I do mean "forced") to participate.  CF loathed the idea, but JV forced him to box a much weaker opponent, upon which CF obliterated the poor fellow up against the front of a bus.  JV forced me to box a person who had just been in a match, and was thoroughly beaten and exhausted.  "Hit him!" Vineyard yelled at me, "or I'll hit you!"  To this day I get sick at the sight in my mind of that poor fellow crashing on his back with his head hitting the concrete floor.
 
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70
 
4everfsu said:
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70

Before that could happen we arranged for God to call him to pastor.

IMHO you are correct.
 
4everfsu said:
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70

Yes, and I think it is very deceitful for Vince Massi to know this was going on and to sweep it under the rug. Maybe he is the one who started all the deceit he thinks is at fbch and hac.
 
BALAAM said:
4everfsu said:
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70

Yes, and I think it is very deceitful for Vince Massi to know this was going on and to sweep it under the rug. Maybe he is the one who started all the deceit he thinks is at fbch and hac.

When I hear Vince try and justify going to work for someone who previously threatened people with physical harm, and also to publicly label people as sexual deviants I think of this scene from Seinfeld....

http://youtu.be/8CVbku6nxhU
 
BALAAM said:
Yes, and I think it is very deceitful for Vince Massi to know this was going on and to sweep it under the rug. Maybe he is the one who started all the deceit he thinks is at fbch and hac.

With all due respect, I don't know that VM would have first-hand knowledge of all that went on surrounding JV.  During most of his tenure at HAC, VM was not one of JV's favorites.  No -- that would have been just the opposite.  To JV, VM would have been a "ding-a-ling."  That eventually did change, however; and I observed it happen.

I did not realize it at the time, but I now realize that JV's actions could be classified as criminal.  He did have his "soft" side, however.  I saw him take his checkbook and liquidate several students' school bills -- and  not all of those would have been among his favorites.  JV helped married students with their bills; paid tuitions; etc.  This does not excuse his criminal behavior, however.
 
BALAAM said:
4everfsu said:
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70

Yes, and I think it is very deceitful for Vince Massi to know this was going on and to sweep it under the rug. Maybe he is the one who started all the deceit he thinks is at fbch and hac.

Do not blame Vince.

This was not swept under the rug. Vince had no power to do anything about it. Vince was a student or employee.
He had no power at FBCH, especially as he was at the college. The deacons own the college corporation.

It was arranged for JV to leave. Although JV may not have realized what happened.
Many that were fired never knew. They just thought God called them elsewhere.

IMHO

 
bgwilkinson said:
BALAAM said:
4everfsu said:
JV should have been brought up on some charges after I read what your wrote Route70

Yes, and I think it is very deceitful for Vince Massi to know this was going on and to sweep it under the rug. Maybe he is the one who started all the deceit he thinks is at fbch and hac.

Do not blame Vince.

This was not swept under the rug. Vince had no power to do anything about it. Vince was a student or employee.
He had no power at FBCH, especially as he was at the college. The deacons own the college corporation.

It was arranged for JV to leave. Although JV may not have realized what happened.
Many that were fired never knew. They just thought God called them elsewhere.

IMHO

I am being sarcastic here just so you all know.
 
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