David Baker arrested

[aleshanee]

Sorry,
I thought you were referring to the judicial system (Judge and Jury) when the suspect is indicted and tried then convicted by a jury of his peers. From my first comment I said as a juror, my whole discussion was as a juror. The person on trial is the person who is required to be judged by a jury of his peers or a judge if he so chooses. I completely misunerstood what you meant in the quotes below. I thought you were refering to a criminal court.

I think we generally agree, I'm just saying as a juror faced with a standard of reasonable doubt there are some situations that are difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt without physical evidence. The burden of proof is always on the accuser not the defendant. This is to protect the innocent from those who may falsely accuse them

Your quotes:

laws and standards currently in place - the validity of complaints and reports of sexual abuse - sexual harassment and rape are to be evaluated by reasonable people or good character who are also of the same gender as the victim.

wrong...... ..according to the law it is supposed to be reasonable women applying justice and judgement who evaluate whether another woman was a willing participant ........

having other men attempt to judge whether a woman willingly took part in an activity where she has the most to risk and the most to lose... is like having a jury of cats decide whether a mouse willingly offered itself to one of their fellow cats for dinner.....
and seriously.... can a man and woman be considered "peers"?...... and should they be in a case involving accusatons of sexual abuse?............ if you were accused of something like that would you like to be judged by a jury consisting entirely of women

just like the accusations against the accused are to be judged by a jury of his peers

yes.... i can look at it and see how i might have been confusing....... i go through a lot of times when i know what i want to say but can;t find the exact words... .. a dozen other things are spinning around in my mind.. .... in this case it seems i over used the words judge and judgment when i should have used some other words that would have indicated i was not talking about a final verdict handed down by a judge or jury... ..... apologies for my part in the confusion....

.... long before a case like this ever gets to court or even a prosector, others in official positions of service will interview and examine victims and complainants to determine whether someone might have a valid case.... ...those people need to be victim advocates... those with the ability to put themselves in the victims shoes and make a fair assessment...... .. there will be plenty of time and plenty of people ready to pick her complaint apart and try to turn it around on her once the case gets to court - and plenty of others ready to take the side of the accused even after a verdict or judgement is reached... ......

 

[AverageJoe]

It appears that you have more time than me and enjoy being rude. In my opinion, a person who throws accusations around lacks insight into his own problems.

You truly need to look in the mirror. You're beginning to sound and act like a forum TROLL. That's not rude...that's a fact. You can leave off interacting with me at any point in time...it's not sweat off my nose. I have no problems, just an intense dislike for internet trolls and false accusers such as yourself. If anyone's offended by that they can scroll on by. Respect is EARNED, not given on the basis of your sex.

 

[AverageJoe]

It appears that you have more time than me and enjoy being rude. In my opinion, a person who throws accusations around lacks insight into his own problems.

You're a troll....nothing "rude" about it. You want to be treated graciously here you need to learn how to be honest, fair, and gracious yourself. Your theme song is below....

 

[sword]

yes.... i can look at it and see how i might have been confusing....... i go through a lot of times when i know what i want to say but can;t find the exact words... .. a dozen other things are spinning around in my mind.. .... in this case it seems i over used the words judge and judgment when i should have used some other words that would have indicated i was not talking about a final verdict handed down by a judge or jury... ..... apologies for my part in the confusion....

.... long before a case like this ever gets to court or even a prosector, others in official positions of service will interview and examine victims and complainants to determine whether someone might have a valid case.... ...those people need to be victim advocates... those with the ability to put themselves in the victims shoes and make a fair assessment...... .. there will be plenty of time and plenty of people ready to pick her complaint apart and try to turn it around on her once the case gets to court - and plenty of others ready to take the side of the accused even after a verdict or judgement is reached... ......

That makes sense.

That sounds like a good system.

 

[Jo]

You truly need to look in the mirror. You're beginning to sound and act like a forum TROLL. That's not rude...that's a fact. You can leave off interacting with me at any point in time...it's not sweat off my nose. I have no problems, just an intense dislike for internet trolls and false accusers such as yourself. If anyone's offended by that they can scroll on by. Respect is EARNED, not given on the basis of your sex.

We have something in common. I have an intense dislike for trolls and false accusers, too.

Please share what I've said that bothered you so much.

 

[AverageJoe]

We have something in common. I have an intense dislike for trolls and false accusers, too.

Please share what I've said that bothered you so much.

I made that clear before. Have a nice day. I don't have time for someone who can't even understand basic English. We have absolutely NOTHING in common. I dislike dishonesty.

 

[Bruh]

I made that clear before. Have a nice day. I don't have time for someone who can't even understand basic English. We have absolutely NOTHING in common. I dislike dishonesty.

You take yourself to seriously!

 

[AverageJoe]

You take yourself to seriously!

You mean **too** seriously? Get a dictionary.
I sincerely doubt that I take myself TOO seriously. You don't know me, thank God. With a name like "Bruh" you sound like the local gang banger...sad really.

 

[Bruh]

You mean **too** seriously? Get a dictionary.
I sincerely doubt that I take myself TOO seriously. You don't know me, thank God. With a name like "Bruh" you sound like the local gang banger...sad really.

I’m sure you’re much more intelligent than I am. Absolutely don’t know you. But demanding an apology on a forum of someone, is a bit much.

 

[AverageJoe]

I’m sure you’re much more intelligent than I am. Absolutely don’t know you. But demanding an apology on a forum of someone, is a bit much.

Hogwash. When someone accuses someone else falsely and the one being accused calls them out it's not "a bit much." We're hoping you can come up with a much better handle than "Bruh". Reminds me of my days workin' in the hood in Milwaukee, Chicago, and Peoria.

 

[Bruh]

Hogwash. When someone accuses someone else falsely and the one being accused calls them out it's not "a bit much." We're hoping you can come up with a much better handle than "Bruh". Reminds me of my days workin' in the hood in Milwaukee, Chicago, and Peoria.

If you actually take yourself this serious on here, I feel so sorry for those who are close to you.

 

[GeneFrenkle]

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Thank you for the David Baker-related content!

 

[abcaines]

Thank you for the David Baker-related content!

What content?

 

[AverageJoe]

If you actually take yourself this serious on here, I feel so sorry for those who are close to you.

If you mean that I don't take you seriously, you're correct. I've seen nothing of substance come from you, "hood-boy!" You'll have to do a lot better than this to rile me.

 

[Bruh]

If you mean that I don't take you seriously, you're correct. I've seen nothing of substance come from you, "hood-boy!" You'll have to do a lot better than this to rile me.

Ook

 

[sword]

I’m sure you’re much more intelligent than I am. Absolutely don’t know you. But demanding an apology on a forum of someone, is a bit much.

Can we PLEASE just try to get along, this is the Fundamental Friendship Forum after all, Oh wait nevermind.

 

[Bruh]

C
an we PLEASE just try to get along, this is the Fundamental Friendship Forum afetr, Oh wait nevermind.

I agreed with all his names he called me. What more does a guy need to do

I agree, he’s much more intelligent than I am.
He brings much more substance than I do.
He’s not from the hood like I am.

But what he doesn’t understand is that I’m just an Average Joe.

I’m reading all of this to my wife, as we sit in our recliners, and she’s kinda getting a kick out of it.

She actually thinks I’m funny.

 

[AverageJoe]

I agreed with all his names he called me. What more does a guy need to do

I agree, he’s much more intelligent than I am.
He brings much more substance than I do.
He’s not from the hood like I am.

But what he doesn’t understand is that I’m just an Average Joe.

I’m reading all of this to my wife, as we sit in our recliners, and she’s kinda getting a kick out of it.

She actually thinks I’m funny.

Funny Ha Ha? Or funny...you know??? LOL I'm just an AverageJoe myself. Have been for years. Guess being a Sr. Citizen has slowed me down some, but, still don't need a recliner! LOL

 

[Bob Jones VI]

I agreed with all his names he called me. What more does a guy need to do

I agree, he’s much more intelligent than I am.
He brings much more substance than I do.
He’s not from the hood like I am.

But what he doesn’t understand is that I’m just an Average Joe.

I’m reading all of this to my wife, as we sit in our recliners, and she’s kinda getting a kick out of it.

She actually thinks I’m funny.

Some people take this basically anonymous internet forum to be somethin akin to real life where you need to take everyone seriously, and if you accuse someone of being a heretic, you must repent in dust and ashes if they get their little ol panties in a bind.

 

[AverageJoe]

Some people take this basically anonymous internet forum to be somethin akin to real life where you need to take everyone seriously, and if you accuse someone of being a heretic, you must repent in dust and ashes if they get their little ol panties in a bind.

Most people here know who I am. At least I think they do. I've been around for a long time.