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kaba said:
I have never personally known ONE IFB that respected Billy Graham. Not one. Maybe there where a few around on the 60s or 70s but not since. How many can you name?
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I have never personally known ONE IFB that respected Billy Graham. Not one. Maybe there where a few around on the 60s or 70s but not since. How many can you name?
christundivided said:
What do you mean by respect?
My pastor off 26 years was thankful for the people who came to Christ through his ministry but disagreed with his joining together with denominations and Catholics in his crusades. That has nothing to do with respect.
Some of the things he has said in his elder years will raise your eyebrows in disagreement as well...again... That has nothing to do with respect.
As a pastor I am thankful for anyone who preaches the gospel and reaches people for Christ. My enemy is Satan not other Christians...I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist!
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Sherryh said:
I am no Jack Schaap fan, but I prefer news like - Brother William and Sister Judith just celebrated their 38th wedding anniversary, or Sister Karen made it through her heart surgery without any complications and should be released from the hospital and home in two days. Or the best news ever - a relived elderly father announces while weeping with joy, "My son who has been running from God for the last 20 years has had enough of living in the "far country" and has ran to sweet Jesus for His redeeming grace. Add another soul to the roll" Now that is some HOT TOPIC NEWS!! Yippee!!!
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kaba said:
I might top that. Of the 5 Independent Baptist Churches I have been privileged to pastor, there has been at least one member in each that traces their salvation testimony in some way back to Billy Graham's ministry. I really don't care for the compromise in the man's ministry, but I do admit a certain amount of envy for that kind of influence the Lord gave him. You either have to claim these converts were false, or give credit where credit is due -- the LORD gave the increase to Bro. Graham's ministries. When God shows His hand of power that way, it makes it awfully hard to be so condemning.
On a further note, I read his autobiography, "Just As I AM," about 10 years ago. I admit that I was looking for warning signs of neo-evangelicalism and compromise. And though I did see some of that near the end of the book regarding his visits and crusades behind the iron curtain, I found my heart warmed and my spirit challenged by the beginning of the book. Especially by his initial stands for the word of God and life of faith and prayer. Kind of like Uzziah. He started out well, faltered a little later in life, and God still said of him, "he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord."
Tom Brennan said:
Where in the bible is the above principal taught.
As I recall the Bible teaches our righteousness is as filthy rags. I contend what will mater most when we get to heaven is those we bring with us. God wants us to live right but the great commission was not to live Holy, it was Go. We should strive to live right but above all we must tell others.
What is the point of The Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28
Tom Brennan said:
Thank you; that was quite interesting reading; you have clearly spent much more time with some of the people directly concerned with the issue.
I was particularly interested in your viewpoints of Vic Nischick and Voyle Glover; having had no interaction with them other than the two books, my initial impression of these men was the reverse of yours (but not as far along the disbelief). In Voyle Glover's book, he made many statements to the effect "If you don't agree with what I said, you're not very bright", which seem like attempts to influence the reader. The chapter on the baby that died is sad, but seemed out of place for an expose of Jack Hyles - it was far more appropriate for listing the crimes of Dave Hyles.... and so on. My recollection of Vic Nischick's book (it's been quite some time since I've read them) is that it was more just a story of his life and interaction with Jack Hyles.
Anyway, I found your summary very interesting... thanks again for the pointer to it.
Well said Pappa!
In my family alone there is 17 that respected Billy Graham, and that is just my sisters, brothers and in-laws, that is not counting my numerous nephews or nieces. So add that to Patriotic's family that would be well over 29.
That is if numbers really counted!
In my family alone there is 17 that respected Billy Graham, and that is just my sisters, brothers and in-laws, that is not counting my numerous nephews or nieces. So add that to Patriotic's family that would be well over 29.
That is if numbers really counted!kaba said:Well said Pappa!
In my family alone there is 17 that respected Billy Graham, and that is just my sisters, brothers and in-laws, that is not counting my numerous nephews or nieces. So add that to Patriotic's family that would be well over 29.
The way I heard it told at hac, Billy Graham would have had to have been influenced by Lee Roberson who influenced JH because most of the people in America who are Christians could probably trace their heritage to these two men. And I am not kidding! I heard this taught.
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His was the church that famously rode their motorcycles to church, on Tue, after Bro. Hyles mentioned them in one of his effeminate rants on Mon.night.
I was at Riverview, when Pastor Dobson said, "I know Jack Hyles said he doesn't listen to accusations against his staff, Well I wanna know what's going on in my church, you come tell me if something's going on, or some pervert is loose'. This was the week after P.S., and he had just heard that said , there. I was so grateful to hear this, and that moment changed my life.
He also mocked Dean Miller's claim of Baptist Secession beginning with John the Baptist, in a light-hearted spirit, by saying 'than why did John's disciples have to get rebaptized?'
He gave a nod to B.G. frequently, but always with the warning that B.G. had changed.
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I was at Riverview, when Pastor Dobson said, "I know Jack Hyles said he doesn't listen to accusations against his staff, Well I wanna know what's going on in my church, you come tell me if something's going on, or some pervert is loose'. This was the week after P.S., and he had just heard that said , there. I was so grateful to hear this, and that moment changed my life.
He also mocked Dean Miller's claim of Baptist Secession beginning with John the Baptist, in a light-hearted spirit, by saying 'than why did John's disciples have to get rebaptized?'
He gave a nod to B.G. frequently, but always with the warning that B.G. had changed.
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sword said:
Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
This is the only place in the Bible that the word 'success' is used. It is obviously used in the context of reading/obeying the Word of God. As I understand this passage it is not saying that after you obey you become successful at whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. I understand it to be saying that when you obey you are successful. Another way of saying that is that obedience = success, IOW, obeying God is the very definition of success.
If you take any other approach you end up with a pragmatic approach to theology and practice, and the Bible and Christian history are littered with examples of the folly that comes that way.
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Sorry to interject this. Just wonder if you all have ever seen this about BG.
Robert Schuller And Billy Graham Speaking Wide Acceptance
Robert Schuller And Billy Graham Speaking Wide Acceptance
the duck said:
Matthew 7:12-23
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.