Church of Christ hatred for Baptists.

[ALAYMAN]

Being nice, sincere, compassionate and neighborly does not take care of the sin problem. 

I grew up across the street from the CofC I attended and was close to my church family.  One of the elder's sons was my older brother's best friend.  They were together in a car the night my brother died in a wreck.  I still remember the elder calling me to ask the number to contact my parents who were vacationing in San Diego.  I remember the grief-stricken face of the elder's son when I saw him.  The elder was compassionate and caring, as were the shocked church family. 

But I eventually left that church after I was saved because it taught a false doctrine.  Sincere, nice teachers pointed to the chart (located in every Sunday School class) which said the way to heaven was to 1) Repent 2) Believe 3) Confess 4) Be Baptized.  They taught me that I needed to be baptized in the CofC baptistry where the water would be mystically changed into the blood of Christ and in those waters my sins would be washed away.  Those sweet, kind people were damning my soul to hell with their false teaching.  No matter how you dress it with good works, false doctrine is an abomination.

That was a fantastic post.

The attitude prevalent today amongst evangelicals that ignores sound doctrine because the heretical people are nice is rampant, and a plague on churches.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Being nice, sincere, compassionate and neighborly does not take care of the sin problem. 

I grew up across the street from the CofC I attended and was close to my church family.  One of the elder's sons was my older brother's best friend.  They were together in a car the night my brother died in a wreck.  I still remember the elder calling me to ask the number to contact my parents who were vacationing in San Diego.  I remember the grief-stricken face of the elder's son when I saw him.  The elder was compassionate and caring, as were the shocked church family. 

But I eventually left that church after I was saved because it taught a false doctrine.  Sincere, nice teachers pointed to the chart (located in every Sunday School class) which said the way to heaven was to 1) Repent 2) Believe 3) Confess 4) Be Baptized.  They taught me that I needed to be baptized in the CofC baptistry where the water would be mystically changed into the blood of Christ and in those waters my sins would be washed away.  Those sweet, kind people were damning my soul to hell with their false teaching.  No matter how you dress it with good works, false doctrine is an abomination.

Excellent post and points (maybe that's redundant).
My daughter visited Florida Christian College in Orlando...a CofC school...the music playing liberal brand.
They believe you must be "baptized into Christ" or you are lost....bound for hell.
I asked pointed questions and received these answers after much hemming and hawing on their part.

Bottom line...if I'm stacking sand bags in a flood zone, God bless anyone who is willing to help.
If I'm considering redemption of an eternal soul, id prefer information from someone other than a false cult....no matter how nice they are.
That isn't 'pissant' in my book!

 

[ALAYMAN]

Yes, common sense, balance, and prudence, all demand that this bears repeating...

Bottom line...if I'm stacking sand bags in a flood zone, God bless anyone who is willing to help.
If I'm considering redemption of an eternal soul, id prefer information from someone other than a false cult....no matter how nice they are.
That isn't 'pissant' in my book!

 

[OZZY]

Because doing charitable deeds cancels makes doctrine obsolete every time, right?

Could you rephrase that?  Not quite sure what you are saying.

Fixed.

The point being that doing good deeds doesn't make up for cultic and heretical doctrine, for CoC, Jack Schaap, or anyone else.

The point being that when the world is exploding in your face and your neighbor's children are dying as they lie burried beneath tons of rubble that the charges of cult and heresey bantered about assume the pissant status they so richly deserve.


ChuckBob

AMEN!!!!!! In times like theses who cares if the Bible is true or not?

 

[FSSL]

About the title.... Phil Robertson is speaking at a Celebrate Recovery event held by Saddleback Church (Southern Baptist). I don't see much hate there.

 

[OZZY]

Excellent post and points (maybe that's redundant).
My daughter visited Florida Christian College in Orlando...a CofC school...the music playing liberal brand.

Florida Christian College (in Kissimmee, actually,) is not a Church of Christ college.  Many of our staff pastors graduated from there, and we are most certainly NOT Church of Christ. 

. I think they might disagree with you !

In keeping with our unique heritage, however, the college seeks to restore Biblical truth. Some of the more important areas in which we seek to restore New Testament Christianity are:

•  Rational-moral conversion and regeneration under the power of the all-sufficient Word of God.
•  Salvation by faith, as opposed to salvation by experience.
•  Baptism (immersion) into Christ for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[OZZY]

Excellent post and points (maybe that's redundant).
My daughter visited Florida Christian College in Orlando...a CofC school...the music playing liberal brand.

Florida Christian College (in Kissimmee, actually,) is not a Church of Christ college.  Many of our staff pastors graduated from there, and we are most certainly NOT Church of Christ. 

. I think they might disagree with you !

In keeping with our unique heritage, however, the college seeks to restore Biblical truth. Some of the more important areas in which we seek to restore New Testament Christianity are:

•  Rational-moral conversion and regeneration under the power of the all-sufficient Word of God.
•  Salvation by faith, as opposed to salvation by experience.
•  Baptism (immersion) into Christ for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Doesn't make them Church of Christ.  But it does make them more than a 1-2-3 pray after me.

Yep it does it makes them a water dog which I guess would be 1 -2 -3 dunk after me !  There's soul cleansing power in the WATER,

 

[ALAYMAN]

Doesn't make them Church of Christ.  But it does make them more than a 1-2-3 pray after me.

On that same page that Ozzy listed they have this language...


In keeping with our unique heritage, however, the college seeks to restore Biblical truth. Some of the more important areas in which we seek to restore New Testament Christianity are:

The Church of Christ hallmark dogma stems from what is known as The Restoration Movement.  They believe that they are restoring the New Testament church (in the early 1800s, see Alexander Campbell) to its proper place after being corrupted early in its inception.

Elsewhere on their website....

Therefore, the applicant must be a member of the Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, commonly known as the Restoration Movement.

Also, they are listed as a Church of Christ academic institution here:

 

[ALAYMAN]

About the title.... Phil Robertson is speaking at a Celebrate Recovery event held by Saddleback Church (Southern Baptist). I don't see much hate there.

I think it was either the OP or on page 1 of the thread that I indicated that I wasn't stating that all CoC, nor necessarily even a majority them were haters, but rather that my personal experiences have shown that they have the most vitriol and antipathy for Baptists of all religious groups.  And I also said that the the strain here may be a bit more virulent in our area since it is very near where they were birthed.

 

[Agent P]

Doesn't make them Church of Christ.  But it does make them more than a 1-2-3 pray after me.

On that same page that Ozzy listed they have this language...


In keeping with our unique heritage, however, the college seeks to restore Biblical truth. Some of the more important areas in which we seek to restore New Testament Christianity are:

The Church of Christ hallmark dogma stems from what is known as The Restoration Movement.  They believe that they are restoring the New Testament church (in the early 1800s, see Alexander Campbell) to its proper place after being corrupted early in its inception.

Elsewhere on their website....

Therefore, the applicant must be a member of the Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, commonly known as the Restoration Movement.

Also, they are listed as a Church of Christ academic institution here:

The "Christian Churches" are those churches that split from the Churches of Christ over instrumental music.  They found nothing wrong with instruments in worship.  Many of these churches are also slowly backing away from the Campbellite insistence on baptismal regeneration, leading some hardliners to complain about "Baptist preachers in Christian Church pulpits".

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Excellent post and points (maybe that's redundant).
My daughter visited Florida Christian College in Orlando...a CofC school...the music playing liberal brand.

Florida Christian College (in Kissimmee, actually,) is not a Church of Christ college.  Many of our staff pastors graduated from there, and we are most certainly NOT Church of Christ. 

It is in Kissimmee, across from the Astros Spring Training Facility.

They might consider themselves Independent from CofC, but they aren't independent from the baptismal regeneration doctrine of such. They also explained to us the why and how of their using musical instruments.

If they aren't Church of Christ doctrinally, they should definitely inform their admissions counselors.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

About the title.... Phil Robertson is speaking at a Celebrate Recovery event held by Saddleback Church (Southern Baptist). I don't see much hate there.

One of the Quack Dynasty people also spoke at Thomas Road this spring.
It seems the liberal, music playing CofC are trying to move toward evangelicalism's mainstream. But to do so, they need to move toward grace and away from baptismal regeneration.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

From wikipedia:
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I haven't argued for dualism, any secret knowledge (the gospel is anything but secret), nor do I think that the material universe is evil, so I don't get the connection.

What part of the fellowship mentioned in my post compromised the gospel?

I'm not sure how you are defining fellowship so loosely to include correction (of the "waterdog").

I went into detail about the fellowship...what was wrong with the way it was done?

 

[ALAYMAN]

The "Christian Churches" are those churches that split from the Churches of Christ over instrumental music.  They found nothing wrong with instruments in worship.  Many of these churches are also slowly backing away from the Campbellite insistence on baptismal regeneration, leading some hardliners to complain about "Baptist preachers in Christian Church pulpits".

You've taken a sorta shine to this topic.  What about the CoC thing interests you?  Are you a former member?  Live around a bunch of them?

And thanks for the helpful info.  All I knew is that some CoC were "liberal" (allow music, even a sort of rock and roll contemporary sound, as well as modern seeker sensitive methods) but didn't know the background of the split.  Sorta reminds me of two other cults, the Mormons and the Amish both have "fundamentalists" who hold the old-timey line and the reformed or contemporary sects that are more "liberal".

 

[ALAYMAN]

I went into detail about the fellowship...what was wrong with the way it was done?

Fellowship, per Scripture, is service and worship around the person and work of Christ.  How could it rightfully be called fellowship if the group/person you are spending time with has a false Christ?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ALAYMAN]And thanks for the helpful info.  All I knew is that some CoC were "liberal" (allow music, even a sort of rock and roll contemporary sound, as well as modern seeker sensitive methods) but didn't know the background of the split.  Sorta reminds me of two other cults, the Mormons and the Amish both have "fundamentalists" who hold the old-timey line and the reformed or contemporary sects that are more "liberal".[/quote]

The Amish are cultish? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=ALAYMAN]And thanks for the helpful info.  All I knew is that some CoC were "liberal" (allow music, even a sort of rock and roll contemporary sound, as well as modern seeker sensitive methods) but didn't know the background of the split.  Sorta reminds me of two other cults, the Mormons and the Amish both have "fundamentalists" who hold the old-timey line and the reformed or contemporary sects that are more "liberal".

The Amish are cultish? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
[/quote]

I'm tired of dancin' round with you, you're an idiot.  If you want to start a different thread about the Amish, do so and I'll educate you.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ALAYMAN]And thanks for the helpful info.  All I knew is that some CoC were "liberal" (allow music, even a sort of rock and roll contemporary sound, as well as modern seeker sensitive methods) but didn't know the background of the split.  Sorta reminds me of two other cults, the Mormons and the Amish both have "fundamentalists" who hold the old-timey line and the reformed or contemporary sects that are more "liberal".

The Amish are cultish? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm tired of dancin' round with you, you're an idiot.  If you want to start a different thread about the Amish, do so and I'll educate you.[/quote]

Here you go:

http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/are-the-amish-a-cult/

 

[Agent P]

The "Christian Churches" are those churches that split from the Churches of Christ over instrumental music.  They found nothing wrong with instruments in worship.  Many of these churches are also slowly backing away from the Campbellite insistence on baptismal regeneration, leading some hardliners to complain about "Baptist preachers in Christian Church pulpits".

You've taken a sorta shine to this topic.  What about the CoC thing interests you?  Are you a former member?  Live around a bunch of them?

And thanks for the helpful info.  All I knew is that some CoC were "liberal" (allow music, even a sort of rock and roll contemporary sound, as well as modern seeker sensitive methods) but didn't know the background of the split.  Sorta reminds me of two other cults, the Mormons and the Amish both have "fundamentalists" who hold the old-timey line and the reformed or contemporary sects that are more "liberal".

Live around a bunch of them.  The Christian Churches are big in southern Illinois, just about every town has one. 
That and I spent a lot of time in the Air Force with very aggressive CoC members.  When your billet has you taking hour-long rides to remote missile sites with just you and a CoC guy, you learn a LOT about them.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Live around a bunch of them.  The Christian Churches are big in southern Illinois, just about every town has one. 
That and I spent a lot of time in the Air Force with very aggressive CoC members.  When your billet has you taking hour-long rides to remote missile sites with just you and a CoC guy, you learn a LOT about them.

So in your experience are the CoCers as rabid or moreso than any other denom at using harsh rhetoric pointed at Baptists?