Christian Education

TidesofTruth said:
I was very blessed to have friends who helped me educate my children.  That is what the teachers and principals of Hammond Baptist were to me.  It has always been my job to make sure they were educated in the manner I thought was best.  We taught them much about real life, about doctrine and about God at home and used the school to teach them the 3 R's in an institutional method and to provide a social outlet.  Many many, many times we corrected the teaching of the teacher.  Especially doctrine and biblical family philosophy.  We were not antagonistic at all toward the teacher but we taught our children how to get along with people who had a differing opinion without being disagreeable and how to maximize their relationships to get to their goal, a grade, a credit, a good reputation and a good relationship.  More than once, more than twice I visited to correct something at school.  I made my case and in every situation without question I had a person who made a correction or helped the situation to get better.  Now I know not everyone has had that experience.  I had a story to tell that gave me an advantage and I knew the system inside and out.  They knew that when I said I wanted something changed or I would decide to educate my children at home they knew I wasn't bluffing.  In fact, no fault of the school, we had a child who was struggling because of a developmental issue we were working on.  He was floundering and there was nothing the school could do to help.  We pulled him for a semester and home educated that semester to catch up and get some wins under his belt.  He thrived and the school was phenomenal in working with us to get him back into his place upon his return.

As a parent you are not allowed to drop your child off at school nor church and think he is safe, nor he will be educated and your work is done.  Paying tuition does not buy you the right not to stay in that child's life, it does not win and keep their heart.  You can save yourself a world of hurt if you just take time to remember and then apply your memory to your child's life, and fight to keep them talking to you.  They will pull away as they find their independence and you have to work at keeping that heart.  You keep a child's heart and you can teach them all their life.  You lose that heart and they will reject everything you have to say.  It is your duty to educate your child. 

I was not at church Wed night but from what has been reported here, On the issue of education, that man was wrong.
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And, unless Mr. Wilkerson agrees with this sermon 100% he should correct the man. 

Is change coming? 
 
Not that anyone cares, but, we Home School.

The main reason is due to the academic level my wife is able to bring them up to, everyone of our children are at least 2 to 3 years ahead of their current grade, and this is taking the Standford Achievement Test every year for all our children.

We have discussed many times sending them to a private school in the area but we always come back to, they are excelling, why mess it up.  We may send them in later grades but we will cross that bridge later. 

We also have them in Cheer, Dance, Wrestling, Soccer, Baseball and Football. 

I hope all go to a University or at least a Community College if ministry is not what the Lord wants for them. 

I have no college and can see the benefit in the secular world it would bring.  I have had to work long hours and have been gone from home more than I would like.  I am home 98% of the time now but with a degree, I can see where I could have gotten where I am much faster without having to be away from home. 

Yes, rambling.  LOL!! 
 
Bruh said:
TidesofTruth said:
I was very blessed to have friends who helped me educate my children.  That is what the teachers and principals of Hammond Baptist were to me.  It has always been my job to make sure they were educated in the manner I thought was best.  We taught them much about real life, about doctrine and about God at home and used the school to teach them the 3 R's in an institutional method and to provide a social outlet.  Many many, many times we corrected the teaching of the teacher.  Especially doctrine and biblical family philosophy.  We were not antagonistic at all toward the teacher but we taught our children how to get along with people who had a differing opinion without being disagreeable and how to maximize their relationships to get to their goal, a grade, a credit, a good reputation and a good relationship.  More than once, more than twice I visited to correct something at school.  I made my case and in every situation without question I had a person who made a correction or helped the situation to get better.  Now I know not everyone has had that experience.  I had a story to tell that gave me an advantage and I knew the system inside and out.  They knew that when I said I wanted something changed or I would decide to educate my children at home they knew I wasn't bluffing.  In fact, no fault of the school, we had a child who was struggling because of a developmental issue we were working on.  He was floundering and there was nothing the school could do to help.  We pulled him for a semester and home educated that semester to catch up and get some wins under his belt.  He thrived and the school was phenomenal in working with us to get him back into his place upon his return.

As a parent you are not allowed to drop your child off at school nor church and think he is safe, nor he will be educated and your work is done.  Paying tuition does not buy you the right not to stay in that child's life, it does not win and keep their heart.  You can save yourself a world of hurt if you just take time to remember and then apply your memory to your child's life, and fight to keep them talking to you.  They will pull away as they find their independence and you have to work at keeping that heart.  You keep a child's heart and you can teach them all their life.  You lose that heart and they will reject everything you have to say.  It is your duty to educate your child. 

I was not at church Wed night but from what has been reported here, On the issue of education, that man was wrong.
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And, unless Mr. Wilkerson agrees with this sermon 100% he should correct the man. 

Is change coming?
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. I thought Brain is engaged went to Bob Marshall's church?
 
brainisengaged said:
no, FBC Hammond.
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Aw, I guess I must've missed the expert from California on Christian Education? I take the word "expert" a lot less seriously than I used to. Would salesman be more appropriate?
 
brainisengaged said:
The expert was our own Dr. Vogel.
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Two things,...

1. I stand corrected on our "Expert"

2. Kudo's to you for staying awake enough to take such detailed notes.

There has been a steady decline of students at HB in recent years. The scandal did not help that at all of course.
 
When we were there we pulled ours out to homeschool (first b/c of finances, then b/c we were moving) and they tried discouraging us from doing so when it was b/c of finances, told us we could just owe them(not wise to counsel someone into getting into debt)......and their "no toleration against being bullied" just depended in whose child was doing the bullying.
 
Angelface2011 said:
When we were there we pulled ours out to homeschool (first b/c of finances, then b/c we were moving) and they tried discouraging us from doing so when it was b/c of finances, told us we could just owe them(not wise to counsel someone into getting into debt)......and their "no toleration against being bullied" just depended in whose child was doing the bullying.
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In our kids' public schools, the "no bullying" rule was/is strictly enforced and none of my kids have gone to school in fear, unlike what some of us former Christian school kids had to deal with back in the day...
 
Do none of the people at FBCH know about the priesthood of the believer? The pastor is not above the people. He has no extra insight or special communication line to God. Each believer is responsible to work out his own salvation, not sit back and have some guy with a gift for the glib tongue spoon feed him nonsense.

Are there none who can see that this type of "teaching" is just plain wrong?

Wow.
 
Just look at the "What I liked about Hyles Anderson". Hearing Bro. Hyles or some variant popped up several times. The man worship is thick there.
 
rsc2a said:
Just look at the "What I liked about Hyles Anderson". Hearing Bro. Hyles or some variant popped up several times. The man worship is thick there.
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I think someone said it to you not long ago, "you judge too much" or something like that.
It's true.
Let me be very honest with you.
If I was at John MacArthur's college, you know what I would have said if there was a thread started about what I liked at "The Master's College?" (I think that is the name of the School).
You know what I would have said?
I would have said, "I loved chapel when John MacArthur came and preached."
I would have said: "I really enjoyed church when we got to hear him preach."
I really enjoy MacArthur's preaching.
Now, we have some theological differences, but there was a time when I was considering his college.
Was that man worship?
I think not.
Is it a sin to really enjoy someone's preaching?
Maybe for you.
I feel bad for your pastor, or pastorette, or whatever you call your minister.
 
16KJV11 said:
rsc2a said:
Just look at the "What I liked about Hyles Anderson". Hearing Bro. Hyles or some variant popped up several times. The man worship is thick there.
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<snip>
I feel bad for your pastor, or pastorette, or whatever you call your minister.
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He does home church. He calls her honey.  ;)
 
We all minister to each other. We don't elevate one person over the others. Kind of like:

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.

You know...the Bible.
 
rsc2a said:
We all minister to each other. We don't elevate one person over the others. Kind of like:

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.

You know...the Bible.
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You are an idiot wrapped in the shell of a moron.  Because someone says that a sermon, book, or class was a blessing to them doesn't mean they are elevating one person over another.  Why must you do nothing but post critical posts.  You must be a very unhappy person.  I'm sure that those around you are.
 
It's truly delusion to think that people don't put Hyles on a pedestal. Oh yeah! There is a statue of him on a pedestal!
 
rsc2a said:
It's truly delusion to think that people don't put Hyles on a pedestal. Oh yeah! There is a statue of him on a pedestal!
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No one is saying that some people didn't/don't put Hyles on a pedestal.  Some people (Ray Young) worshiped the ground upon which he walked.  Others were blessed by his ministry.  Others hated him.  What's your point?
 
RAIDER said:
rsc2a said:
We all minister to each other. We don't elevate one person over the others. Kind of like:

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.

You know...the Bible.
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You are an idiot wrapped in the shell of a moron.  Because someone says that a sermon, book, or class was a blessing to them doesn't mean they are elevating one person over another.  Why must you do nothing but post critical posts.  You must be a very unhappy person.  I'm sure that those around you are.
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I think rsc2a can speak for himself about this, but what he is suggesting is precisely what Jesus taught:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.  Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
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But sometimes Christians prefer tradition over the actual teachings of Jesus. :)
 
RAIDER said:
rsc2a said:
It's truly delusion to think that people don't put Hyles on a pedestal. Oh yeah! There is a statue of him on a pedestal!
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No one is saying that some people didn't/don't put Hyles on a pedestal.  Some people (Ray Young) worshiped the ground upon which he walked.  Others were blessed by his ministry.  Others hated him.  What's your point?
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I just did a quick search using your name. Based on the search settings, you've mentioned Hyles 123 times on here and Jesus 40.

You've started threads titled:

"Dr. Hyles Quote of the Day",
"If a "Jack Hyles" took the pastorate of FBCH today......",
"Do you still read/reference Dr. Hyles' books?",
"Why were we so "enamored" with Dr. Hyles?",
"The day Dr. Hyles died"
"If not for Dave Hyles............."

I found one thread  you started with Jesus in the title..and that asking where He was during Holy Saturday.

Wonder what my point is.
 
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