Beer and Bible Study?

[OZZY]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

 

[Recovering IFB]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

Wow! Calling me an addict when you don't even know me is very ignorant......
And if your going by my username it's because I'm coming out of an IFB church which I was a member of for 18yrs.

 

[Recovering IFB]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

Wow! Calling me an addict when you don't even know me is very ignorant......
And if your going by my username it's because I'm coming out of an IFB church which I was a member of for 18yrs.

Anyways, you never gave me an answer on your explanation on Deut 14:26 and Is 55:1....
You see Ozzy, it was me coming to grips with what God has allowed men to do and not what man wants others to do, that made me question who I was following... I eventually chose Jesus and not a movement...by the way I started smoking cigars too!!!  Liberty is so fun, you should try it.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Drink up drink up for Jesus
You wino's of the cross
Lift high you Crown Royal
No matter what the cost.
Ye that are drunk now praise him
From beer joint to beer joint
Happy hour is what we need
Till every bottle is empty
And we are drunk in deed

Can you explain Deut. 14:26 or Is 55:1 to me then?

I guess I'm not getting an answer am I?

 

[biscuit1953]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

Wow! Calling me an addict when you don't even know me is very ignorant......
And if your going by my username it's because I'm coming out of an IFB church which I was a member of for 18yrs.

Anyways, you never gave me an answer on your explanation on Deut 14:26 and Is 55:1....
You see Ozzy, it was me coming to grips with what God has allowed men to do and not what man wants others to do, that made me question who I was following... I eventually chose Jesus and not a movement...by the way I started smoking cigars too!!!  Liberty is so fun, you should try it.

Bragging about what you can do even if it involves vices and encouraging others is not the best judgment.  I left the same movement you left but some seem to go just as far in the other direction.

(1Cor 10:23 [ESV])

 

[Izdaari]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

Wow! Calling me an addict when you don't even know me is very ignorant......
And if your going by my username it's because I'm coming out of an IFB church which I was a member of for 18yrs.

Anyways, you never gave me an answer on your explanation on Deut 14:26 and Is 55:1....
You see Ozzy, it was me coming to grips with what God has allowed men to do and not what man wants others to do, that made me question who I was following... I eventually chose Jesus and not a movement...by the way I started smoking cigars too!!!  Liberty is so fun, you should try it.

Bragging about what you can do even if it involves vices and encouraging others is not the best judgment.  I left the same movement you left but some seem to go just as far in the other direction.

(1Cor 10:23 [ESV])

 

[biscuit1953]

I think I can handle it......

Most addicts do ,,,,

Wow! Calling me an addict when you don't even know me is very ignorant......
And if your going by my username it's because I'm coming out of an IFB church which I was a member of for 18yrs.

Anyways, you never gave me an answer on your explanation on Deut 14:26 and Is 55:1....
You see Ozzy, it was me coming to grips with what God has allowed men to do and not what man wants others to do, that made me question who I was following... I eventually chose Jesus and not a movement...by the way I started smoking cigars too!!!  Liberty is so fun, you should try it.

Bragging about what you can do even if it involves vices and encouraging others is not the best judgment.  I left the same movement you left but some seem to go just as far in the other direction.

(1Cor 10:23 [ESV])

 

[Izdaari]

You are exactly right.  Many feel the same about alcoholic beverages.  Having left the Independent Fundamental King James only separated Baptist movement I can understand how some would try to push back and prove they are free but some go too far.  It is the "I have a right to do as I please and the world be damned attitude" that is not helpful.  I believe that is what John MacArthur was trying to address.  We can all feel sorry for ourselves for maybe being brought up in some ways that aren't exactly according to what scripture teaches but, going from one extreme of the spectrum to the other is just as bad.

I have nothing to prove in that regard. I was never part of any IFB church at all, or any other church with "standeerds" to rebel against. I drink beer and wine, and occasionally a cocktail, because I like them, and because I don't have an alcoholism problem to worry about.

My church traditions (Anglican and Lutheran) are totally cool with that; teetotalism is not part of their culture, though preaching against habitual drunkenness is (Luther's sermon on the subject is epic).

If someone does think they'd have a problem with it (like Piper, who admits to having an addictive personality), or just plain doesn't like them, I totally understand. So long as they don't play "holier than thou" with me about it; that I do object to.

 

[biscuit1953]

You are exactly right.  Many feel the same about alcoholic beverages.  Having left the Independent Fundamental King James only separated Baptist movement I can understand how some would try to push back and prove they are free but some go too far.  It is the "I have a right to do as I please and the world be damned attitude" that is not helpful.  I believe that is what John MacArthur was trying to address.  We can all feel sorry for ourselves for maybe being brought up in some ways that aren't exactly according to what scripture teaches but, going from one extreme of the spectrum to the other is just as bad.

I have nothing to prove in that regard. I was never part of any IFB church at all, or any other church with "standeerds" to rebel against. I drink beer and wine, and occasionally a cocktail, because I like them, and because I don't have an alcoholism problem to worry about.

My church traditions (Anglican and Lutheran) are totally cool with that; teetotalism is not part of their culture, though preaching against habitual drunkenness is (Luther's sermon on the subject is epic).

If someone does think they'd have a problem with it (like Piper, who admits to having an addictive personality), or just plain doesn't like them, I totally understand. So long as they don't play "holier than thou" with me about it; that I do object to.

Exactly.  I grew up where smoking tobacco was commonly accepted even among pastors in the churches where I grew up.  My dad used to grow tobacco as a cash crop.  On the other hand alcohol was strongly condemned.  A "vice" isn't necessarily a sin but just as smoking cigars would be considered a "vice" to you so many think the same thing about alcohol.  Many people wish to have nothing to do with it.  That doesn't make them a legalist though.

 

[Izdaari]

That works for me. But I think I probably won't invite you or Piper to my church's "theology pub".  ;D

 

[biscuit1953]

That works for me. But I think I probably won't invite you or Piper to my church's "theology pub".  ;D

Thanks.  lol

 

[Recovering IFB]

My apologies if I came across as if I was rubbing my liberties an someones face, that wasn't my point.
I respect anyone's stance on these liberty issue. One of my dear brothers came to Christ through AA and am very sensitive to his issues. My point being that don't tell me I'm in sin while participating in these liberties. My old ministry was in an uproar when I confessed church wide why I was leaving and several people even question my stance in Christ. It's peoples ignorance and too busy following "old traditions" is hard for me too deal with sometimes..My wife is constantly prodding me in this area of patience with people...

 

[Biker]

http://www.gty.org/resources/blog/B110809

John MacArthur on the alcohol relevant church culture.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and this Bud's for you......

It is my impression MacArthur despises alcohol. Society would be better off if everyone adopted that attitude.

The man made drug concoction we deceitfully call "Wine, Alcohol, Booze is not akin to what those back in the day ingested. The grapes fermented naturally...it is sanctioned only for medicinal use. All other use is sin..except maybe some who self medicate for the purpose of being sober minded, maybe it helps anxiety, just a shaky example.

If THY GREAT PHYSICIAN decides it's cool for me to ingest more of a natural (or man made drug) to celebrate a wedding, then I trust HE being Lord God & Savior, knows my limits. If a Prophet such as Paul suggests I drink a little for thy  stomachs sake (aka infirmities/medical conditions) then I will do so. The water back then was so polluted that ingesting alcohol kept people pure, even the small amount they drank.

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 1Tm 5:23


I have not read thru the thread, so not picking on anyone in particular but the common secular argument of "as long as you can drink without becoming drunk" is a misnomer.

Obviously you'd have to be drunk at least once, preferably more times, to even "gauge" what your thresh-hold is

You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Biker]You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture.[/quote]

So what sin did Jesus commit?  :

 

[Biker]

[quote author=Biker]You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture.

So what sin did Jesus commit?  :
[/quote] Please do not link your statement of Jesus committing sin to my posts.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Biker]You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture.

So what sin did Jesus commit?  :

Please do not link your statement of Jesus committing sin to my posts.
[/quote]

Please don't make ignorant personal statements and call them Scripture.

 

[Biker]

[quote author=Biker]You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture.

So what sin did Jesus commit?  :

Please do not link your statement of Jesus committing sin to my posts.

Please don't make ignorant personal statements and call them Scripture.
[/quote] Show me which "personal statements" are linked to scripture and why they do not coincide with said scripture. Thanks

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Biker]Show me which "personal statements" are linked to scripture and why they do not coincide with said scripture. Thanks[/quote]

Seriously? You even linked it!

You'd have to sin... in order to learn... how far you can go... without sinning. This violates scripture. - Biker

 

[Recovering IFB]

http://www.gty.org/resources/blog/B110809

John MacArthur on the alcohol relevant church culture.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and this Bud's for you......

t is my iImpression MacArthur despises alcohol. Society would be better off if everyone adopted that attitude. My Pastor mirrors MacArthurs beliefs (at least 90% of the time) teaching similarly. He was really high up at Grace Church at one time.
We've not been thru the book of 1Timothy in the 2 yrs I've been a member so I've not been exposed to the churches beliefs on alcohol but it's probably similar

The man made drug concoction we deceitfully call "Wine, Alcohol, Booze is not akin to what those back in the day ingested. The grapes fermented naturally...it is sanctioned only for medicinal use. All other use is sin..except maybe some who self medicate for the purpose of being sober minded, maybe it helps anxiety, just a shaky example.

Duet 14:26 and spend the money for whatever you desire

 

[Biker]

Duet 14:26 and spend the money for whatever you desire