Are the numerous mass shootings an evidence of America's moral decline?

[ALAYMAN]

Why'd ya leave dope-smoking off? 

The simpler answer is that I don't know the history of pot smoking.  And that's the true answer.

Okay, fair enough, but I think that you know the answer without having to do much digging.  Pot smoking won't be found in any of the bios of Carey, Taylor, Spurgeon (though he was found of smokes ), or Graham.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

History of Marijuana Use

Marijuana has been used as an agent for achieving euphoria since ancient times; it was described in a Chinese medical compendium traditionally considered to date from 2737 B.C. It also has a long history of use as a medicinal herb. Its use spread from China to India and then to N Africa and reached Europe at least as early as A.D. 500. A major crop in colonial North America, marijuana (hemp) was grown as a source of fiber. It was extensively cultivated during World War II, when Asian sources of hemp were cut off.

Marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from 1850 until 1942 and was prescribed for various conditions including labor pains, nausea, and rheumatism. Its use as an intoxicant was also commonplace from the 1850s to the 1930s. A campaign conducted in the 1930s by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics (now the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs) sought to portray marijuana as a powerful, addicting substance that would lead users into narcotics addiction. It is still considered a "gateway" drug by some authorities. In the 1950s it was an accessory of the beat generation; in the 1960s it was used by college students and "hippies" and became a symbol of rebellion against authority.

The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 classified marijuana along with heroin and LSD as a Schedule I drug, i.e., having the relatively highest abuse potential and no accepted medical use. Most marijuana at that time came from Mexico, but in 1975 the Mexican government agreed to eradicate the crop by spraying it with the herbicide paraquat, raising fears of toxic side effects. Colombia then became the main supplier. The "zero tolerance" climate of the Reagan and Bush administrations (1981–93) resulted in passage of strict laws and mandatory sentences for possession of marijuana and in heightened vigilance against smuggling at the southern borders. The "war on drugs" thus brought with it a shift from reliance on imported supplies to domestic cultivation (particularly in Hawaii and California). Beginning in 1982 the Drug Enforcement Administration turned increased attention to marijuana farms in the United States, and there was a shift to the indoor growing of plants specially developed for small size and high yield. After over a decade of decreasing use, marijuana smoking began an upward trend once more in the early 1990s, especially among teenagers, but by the end of the decade this upswing had leveled off well below former peaks of use.

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[ThatGirl]

Yeah, if you spank me while you're awake, My Le Creuset French oven will take care of you while you're asleep.  Silly goombah...

I knew you were in love with your cookware but now you're just frightening me. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Yeah, if you spank me while you're awake, My Le Creuset French oven will take care of you while you're asleep.  Silly goombah...

What if someone spanks you while they're asleep?

 

[ALAYMAN]

....... and people who have tattoos.. especially women... are not viewed favorably...... hhmmmmmm ... : .... . who woulda thought?...  8)

Au contraire.  In the Miss America pageant the other day (I wasn't watching it, really! ) there was a contestant (Miss Kansas) who was given the high honors of being the first one ever to have visible body art.  I saw a pic of her, and it wasn't a quarter-sized stamp either, but covered a large portion of her side.  More progress. 

 

[Gringo]

I'm only 44 years old, but in my short lifetime it seems the moral fabric of America has undergone monumental changes.  Pot is now good.  Gay is okay, even better than okay.  Shacking up is the standard now.  Twerking, jerking, going birzerking....absolute insanity and constant shifting sands with no moral anchor.  The fruit of postmodern relativistic thought.  So, do you think that these mass shootings are fruit from a generation of nihilists, rationalists, and skeptics that is coming to the natural conclusion that life is ultimately meaningless, so it don't matter if I vent my rage and take other folk out with me?

As the forum red headed step child, I want to weigh in:


I am embarrassed ( I think) to say that I don't have the faintest idea what "twerking" is. I assume it is something sexual. How ironic it is that as the most "immoral" person on this forum, I have never once in my whole life smoked a cigarette of any kind, never once been intoxicated from ANY drug, whether it was drunk, smoked, injested or injected.

But my concern, prompting me to post here, has nothing to do with "sin" or moral declination.

I voted for that Osama person the first time. But by the time the second time rolled around, I had changed my mind. And I have been watching what has been going on in his Amerika. I know this is awfully cynical of me and I hope some of you will set me straight and show me how I am wrong BECAUSE I WANT TO BE WRONG

But Alayman, I am not so much convinced that the numerous mass shootings are an evidence of America's "moral decline" so much as they are evidence of a conspiracy to make America WANT to give up its arms. I hate to be so paranoid and cynical but I can't help but notice that the shooter was killed immediately and can never deny that he did this as the DIShonest press tells us all about him. The killer of those children in that school last year is DEAD while the Obama regime and its henchmen go on about gun control.

Before one says they can't possibly be that evil, remember Bengazhi and their question "what difference does it make?"

I sure hope I am wrong. ( I don't think I have ever been this politically pessimistic in my life)



Gringo

 

[ThatGirl]

Yeah, the proliferation of porn has always been accessible at elementary school levels via the touch of a smartphone button.  And Johnny has 2 Daddys ranked right alongside of the McGuffey Reader.

If that's going on at your school then you better rethink your educational strategy for Alayboy.    Isn't your wife a teacher there?  Y'all should be more involved. 

I'll take that as a humorous deflection, but a non-answer just the same.   If you don't think that kids are getting sex-ed and a host of other early schooling prior to the way things used to be then I really can't help you, but for somebody who touts "education" as the answer you seem to be laggin' a bit behind on key social/cultural indices.

What on earth are you talking about?  You made a totally random comment to me that had nothing to do with anything anyone was talking about so I made a humorous response.  Would you like to switch gears with another subject?  If so, state it clearly and I'll decide if I care enough about it to respond.   

 

[JrChurch]

As the forum red headed step child, I want to weigh in:


I am embarrassed ( I think) to say that I don't have the faintest idea what "twerking" is. I assume it is something sexual. How ironic it is that as the most "immoral" person on this forum, I have never once in my whole life smoked a cigarette of any kind, never once been intoxicated from ANY drug, whether it was drunk, smoked, injested or injected.

But my concern, prompting me to post here, has nothing to do with "sin" or moral declination.

I voted for that Osama person the first time. But by the time the second time rolled around, I had changed my mind. And I have been watching what has been going on in his Amerika. I know this is awfully cynical of me and I hope some of you will set me straight and show me how I am wrong BECAUSE I WANT TO BE WRONG

But Alayman, I am not so much convinced that the numerous mass shootings are an evidence of America's "moral decline" so much as they are evidence of a conspiracy to make America WANT to give up its arms. I hate to be so paranoid and cynical but I can't help but notice that the shooter was killed immediately and can never deny that he did this as the DIShonest press tells us all about him. The killer of those children in that school last year is DEAD while the Obama regime and its henchmen go on about gun control.

Before one says they can't possibly be that evil, remember Bengazhi and their question "what difference does it make?"

I sure hope I am wrong. ( I don't think I have ever been this politically pessimistic in my life)



Gringo

Interesting.

 

[ThatGirl]

I'm only 44 years old, but in my short lifetime it seems the moral fabric of America has undergone monumental changes.  Pot is now good.  Gay is okay, even better than okay.  Shacking up is the standard now.  Twerking, jerking, going birzerking....absolute insanity and constant shifting sands with no moral anchor.  The fruit of postmodern relativistic thought.  So, do you think that these mass shootings are fruit from a generation of nihilists, rationalists, and skeptics that is coming to the natural conclusion that life is ultimately meaningless, so it don't matter if I vent my rage and take other folk out with me?

As the forum red headed step child, I want to weigh in:


I am embarrassed ( I think) to say that I don't have the faintest idea what "twerking" is. I assume it is something sexual. How ironic it is that as the most "immoral" person on this forum, I have never once in my whole life smoked a cigarette of any kind, never once been intoxicated from ANY drug, whether it was drunk, smoked, injested or injected.

But my concern, prompting me to post here, has nothing to do with "sin" or moral declination.

I voted for that Osama person the first time. But by the time the second time rolled around, I had changed my mind. And I have been watching what has been going on in his Amerika. I know this is awfully cynical of me and I hope some of you will set me straight and show me how I am wrong BECAUSE I WANT TO BE WRONG

But Alayman, I am not so much convinced that the numerous mass shootings are an evidence of America's "moral decline" so much as they are evidence of a conspiracy to make America WANT to give up its arms. I hate to be so paranoid and cynical but I can't help but notice that the shooter was killed immediately and can never deny that he did this as the DIShonest press tells us all about him. The killer of those children in that school last year is DEAD while the Obama regime and its henchmen go on about gun control.

Before one says they can't possibly be that evil, remember Bengazhi and their question "what difference does it make?"

I sure hope I am wrong. ( I don't think I have ever been this politically pessimistic in my life)



Gringo

I don't want to think our government is behind it but you know darn well that they will use it to their advantage.  You can bank on that. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm only 44 years old, but in my short lifetime it seems the moral fabric of America has undergone monumental changes.  Pot is now good.  Gay is okay, even better than okay.  Shacking up is the standard now.  Twerking, jerking, going birzerking....absolute insanity and constant shifting sands with no moral anchor.  The fruit of postmodern relativistic thought.  So, do you think that these mass shootings are fruit from a generation of nihilists, rationalists, and skeptics that is coming to the natural conclusion that life is ultimately meaningless, so it don't matter if I vent my rage and take other folk out with me?

As the forum red headed step child, I want to weigh in:


I am embarrassed ( I think) to say that I don't have the faintest idea what "twerking" is. I assume it is something sexual. How ironic it is that as the most "immoral" person on this forum, I have never once in my whole life smoked a cigarette of any kind, never once been intoxicated from ANY drug, whether it was drunk, smoked, injested or injected.

But my concern, prompting me to post here, has nothing to do with "sin" or moral declination.

I voted for that Osama person the first time. But by the time the second time rolled around, I had changed my mind. And I have been watching what has been going on in his Amerika. I know this is awfully cynical of me and I hope some of you will set me straight and show me how I am wrong BECAUSE I WANT TO BE WRONG

But Alayman, I am not so much convinced that the numerous mass shootings are an evidence of America's "moral decline" so much as they are evidence of a conspiracy to make America WANT to give up its arms. I hate to be so paranoid and cynical but I can't help but notice that the shooter was killed immediately and can never deny that he did this as the DIShonest press tells us all about him. The killer of those children in that school last year is DEAD while the Obama regime and its henchmen go on about gun control.

Before one says they can't possibly be that evil, remember Bengazhi and their question "what difference does it make?"

I sure hope I am wrong. ( I don't think I have ever been this politically pessimistic in my life)



Gringo

We've got enough worms crawlin' out of the can without starting a gun control debate Gringo.   But it's not a conspiracy, as the Obama admin is brazenly as much for taking our guns as he is for killing the unborn.

 

[ALAYMAN]

What on earth are you talking about?  You made a totally random comment to me that had nothing to do with anything anyone was talking about so I made a humorous response.  Would you like to switch gears with another subject?  If so, state it clearly and I'll decide if I care enough about it to respond. 

You joked about my boy learning stuff at school he shouldn't (though the allusion I had made was in reference to the gay agenda's attempt to foist homosexuality as "normal" on our children through indoctrination), so I was stating that our children our bombarded and saturated by all kinds of sexual imagery way too soon, in a variety of places, not limited to their schools.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

As an aside, I wonder where everyone gets their pot?  I know it's commonplace in schools, even high schools.  But I haven't even seen the stuff since college.  If anyone I know these days smokes pot, I don't know about it, and I have no idea where they'd get it. 

No, I don't want any.  Just wondering how the supply chain works. 

 

[ThatGirl]

What on earth are you talking about?  You made a totally random comment to me that had nothing to do with anything anyone was talking about so I made a humorous response.  Would you like to switch gears with another subject?  If so, state it clearly and I'll decide if I care enough about it to respond. 

You joked about my boy learning stuff at school he shouldn't (though the allusion I had made was in reference to the gay agenda's attempt to foist homosexuality as "normal" on our children through indoctrination), so I was stating that our children our bombarded and saturated by all kinds of sexual imagery way too soon, in a variety of places, not limited to their schools.

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school? 

 

[ALAYMAN]

i don;t remember the word for word of it myself either..... but i know you said something about native americans being naturally predisposed to marijuana abuse..... (or something along those lines)... and linked it to their poor performance in school... jobs... and all around lack of ability to get their backsides off the reservation...... ......i might be wrong... and might have even misunderstood you then... but however i took it i remember it really set me off...... but within a few posts it became a friendly conversation....  ........ still.. i carried the label of ultra liberal on the fff for many years....... probably still would if it weren;t for so many here now promoting things even the not so conservative secular world looks down upon..... it;s hard to figure it all out...... 

Man I wish I remember what I said.  I certainly admit that I could have just been shooting off at the mouth, but the truth is that I don't remember EVER having those sorts of biases towards Hispanics. 

Okay, the cobwebs are slightly clearing, and I bet I was making stereotypes about different groups, like how Jews are figured to be good with money, Asians good for taking care of extended family, and Hispanics for taking siestas, or something like that.  But despite admitting that I probably was overgeneralizing, like I said, I can't figure on what I said that would've included marijuana stereotypes (lest it was COMPLETELY tongue in cheek and joking).  Regardless, I'm glad you tolerated my crap and didn't write me off right away, chupacabra.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school?

No, but the statement was meant as a general commentary on the accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear (which fits into the theme of the thread appropriately), and the part I was specifically referring to when commenting to you was the "porn" on smartphone issues.  That's real, and it is in my wife's school.  Elementary kids with smartphones, yeah, there's another good idea for parents.

 

[rsc2a]

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school?

No, but the statement was meant as a general commentary on the accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear (which fits into the them of the thread appropriately), and the part I was specifically referring to when commenting to you was the "porn" on smartphone issues.  That's real, and it is in my wife's school.  Elementary kids with smartphones, yeah, there's another good idea for parents.

Yesteryear? Like when children knew exactly where babies came from because they lived on farms and babies were born in the home?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school?

No, but the statement was meant as a general commentary on the accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear (which fits into the them of the thread appropriately), and the part I was specifically referring to when commenting to you was the "porn" on smartphone issues.  That's real, and it is in my wife's school.  Elementary kids with smartphones, yeah, there's another good idea for parents.

Yesteryear? Like when children knew exactly where babies came from because they lived on farms and babies were born in the home?

Yeah, because that's the same as viewing porn and hearing about the virtue of same-sex parenting from the teacher. :

 

[ALAYMAN]

one of my room mates has really gorgeous tattoos.... she is not really ashamed of them either....  she use to model them for professional photographers when she was still dancing for a living.... she is chinese and it has been a part of her culture for centuries... if not longer.... .... although i would never get one myself... i don;t have any problem with other people having tattoos as long as their not obscene..... hawaiians have a long tradition with tattoos in fact it was sailors coming back from hawaii and other south seas islands that first brought the art of tattooing back to the u s mainland in the 1800s..... 

Yeah, I'm more agin them due to pragmatic reasons than religious.

but with most people getting tattoos today it;s just a cultural fad.....  i think most of them will regret it in the future......  and like i said yesterday the guy who murdered my natural sister and later got saved in prison even says he regrets his tattoos now..... they also say he changed a lot of things that he did and even speaks out against some of the things a few here condone....... but apparently he doesn;t want to leave prison..... at his last parole hearing... (which i could have gone to but decided to decline).... he told the board that he really wanted out... but that when he was out 20 years ago crystal meth ruled his life... it was his god.... in prison he was clean... but he knew if he ever got out crystal meth would rule his life again just like it did before....  and people would get hurt...  ........ ....... parole request denied......

wow, sad, just sad.  It's wise of him to know himself and his predispositions well enough to be that self-disciplined, but how sad to have such a crippling enslavement.

 

[rsc2a]

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school?

No, but the statement was meant as a general commentary on the accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear (which fits into the them of the thread appropriately), and the part I was specifically referring to when commenting to you was the "porn" on smartphone issues.  That's real, and it is in my wife's school.  Elementary kids with smartphones, yeah, there's another good idea for parents.

Yesteryear? Like when children knew exactly where babies came from because they lived on farms and babies were born in the home?

Yeah, because that's the same as viewing porn and hearing about the virtue of same-sex parenting from the teacher. :

Ahh....so when you said "accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear", you didn't actually mean all sex ed.

Really...you should let us know if you plan on continuing to change the meanings of words in order to 'make' your point. That way we would know that you might mean banana when you type "mass shooting" or you might mean concrete when you type "sex ed".

 

[ThatGirl]

Well your comment was misplaced so it didn't make sense.  Is "Johnny has two daddies" a book in your son's school?

No, but the statement was meant as a general commentary on the accelerated sex ed America's kids face in comparison to yesteryear (which fits into the them of the thread appropriately), and the part I was specifically referring to when commenting to you was the "porn" on smartphone issues.  That's real, and it is in my wife's school.  Elementary kids with smartphones, yeah, there's another good idea for parents.

Yeah, I'm sure there are special situations but little kids don't need phones let alone smartphones.  Of course, I'm old school enough to think that phones should be phones and computers should be computers.  Okay I admit it, I'm just technologically challenged but still.   

Kids are definitely over sexed.  And I know that there was a time when people slept in close quarters as families and they were aware of what was going on and all that, but this is different.  It's not even wholesome ideas of sex being thrown at them.  Which brings us back to the OP and the infamous recently public twerking.  Nobody needs (or really wants) to see that but there it was, just displayed in front of families who weren't expecting it.  I don't have a problem with teaching age appropriate sex ed to kids.  That's education.  But kids are getting a lot more thrown on them than is healthy.  From all directions.  But like I said in another post, there's nothing new under the sun.  If you follow the history of erotica it goes back thousands of years.  From carvings and artwork to erotic sculptures in ancient temples, all displayed for anyone, children included, to see.  Kids are more aware of perverse things than probably their grandparents were but maybe less than children from say 1000 years ago or more where perversions were prevalent.  I've never charted it but I suspect it's rather cyclical.  Perhaps in response to the previous generations views on sex?  I don't know.  We don't need uneducated prudish people, but we don't need a total lack of decorum either.  Can't we just find a nice healthy medium?