Another IFB preacher shows his fangs with the sheep

[ALAYMAN]

James Hadinger took an underage girl to a ball game and then for a different kind of game.  Disgusting.  When will our crowd denounce these sorts of perverts and deal with them according to the millstone theory?  This fella's facebook profile says he held a Masters of Ministry from Mike Holloway's "Baptist College of America".  All the tapered haircuts in the world won't keep a heart clean.  Don't get me wrong, God's forgiveness is unmatched, and not out of reach for anybody or any sin, but we have to learn not to be so tolerating/accomodating of such behavior whilst screaming about the liberals and the lack of "standeeeeeeeerds".  Beam and mote and all that.

This church is a couple of hours from me, but a similar story unfolded about another West Virginia (Matt Jarrell) pastor who preached hot and hard to the congregation, then took weekend benders to the bars to pick up women so he could take them out in the woods and rape them.  He hung himself in his jail cell awaiting trial.  He had a previous sexual predator record in Texas, but that didn't stop people from accepting him as their pastor and a "man of God".  Hadinger, on a creepy sidenote, was not only fellow IFBer, but graduated highschool the same year (1987) I did and only about 15 minutes from me (Portsmouth East).


I realize that this sort of vile predatory filth occurs in other denoms, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be cleaning our own house, as judgment begins at the house of God (in our own camp first, before we thinking we've got some mandate to straighten out all the "NEOS".

 

[Sherryh]

Don't look at men look at God who never changes.........sad stories because their sin carries many miles and affects so many people

 

[4everfsu]

Honestly I think every Christian church and school should do back ground checks and drug testing when hiring faculty and staff. Even continue doing random drug testing after person is hired. I know some will say churches and schools cannot afford it. Really, they cannot afford to not do it.

 

[Sherryh]

4everfsu,you are so correct...........

 

[prophet]

They will help, but they don't predict the future perverts.

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[ALAYMAN]

Honestly I think every Christian church and school should do back ground checks and drug testing when hiring faculty and staff. Even continue doing random drug testing after person is hired. I know some will say churches and schools cannot afford it. Really, they cannot afford to not do it.

Absolutely agree one hundred percent.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Don't know about hadinger.  you have some of the details of Jarrell incorrect, but, whatever.

I was once a member of a church who had had a previous pastor go to jail for abuse.  The church decided to get insurance against lawsuits from said issues that ever may happen in the future.  Though it was many years past, every worker submitted to regular background checks.  Training occurred at least annually for every worker to recognize potential perpetrators and proper procedures to prevent any accusations.  No child rode a bus without signed parental consent.  Integrity was mandated.  Many were annoyed by the legal necessities upon the church from so long ago - I thought it was a good thing to do.

 

[Timothy]

They will help, but they don't predict the future perverts.

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Make their internet usage public. That would help.

 

[prophet]

They will help, but they don't predict the future perverts.

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Make their internet usage public. That would help.

Tell that to Jacksonville Bob's victims.
 

Anishinabe

 

[ALAYMAN]

Don't know about hadinger.  you have some of the details of Jarrell incorrect,....

Such as?

I was once a member of a church who had had a previous pastor go to jail for abuse.  The church decided to get insurance against lawsuits from said issues that ever may happen in the future.  Though it was many years past, every worker submitted to regular background checks.  Training occurred at least annually for every worker to recognize potential perpetrators and proper procedures to prevent any accusations.  No child rode a bus without signed parental consent.  Integrity was mandated.  Many were annoyed by the legal necessities upon the church from so long ago - I thought it was a good thing to do.

Regular background checks are good.  Any person in our church who undertakes a ministry must first be willing to be subjected to them.

The "two man" rule also is very helpful in children's ministries.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Don't know about hadinger.  you have some of the details of Jarrell incorrect,....

Such as?

I was once a member of a church who had had a previous pastor go to jail for abuse.  The church decided to get insurance against lawsuits from said issues that ever may happen in the future.  Though it was many years past, every worker submitted to regular background checks.  Training occurred at least annually for every worker to recognize potential perpetrators and proper procedures to prevent any accusations.  No child rode a bus without signed parental consent.  Integrity was mandated.  Many were annoyed by the legal necessities upon the church from so long ago - I thought it was a good thing to do.

Regular background checks are good.  Any person in our church who undertakes a ministry must first be willing to be subjected to them.

The "two man" rule also is very helpful in children's ministries.

Probably insignificant as to the purpose of the post.  He was pastoring in TX, not WV.  Not weekend benders, was preaching in church on weekends.  Was supposed to be at a preaching conference in PA, but went to WV and picked up a woman in a bar, arrested for attempted rape and then was found dead in his cell.  I do not know the frequency of his escapades - probably noone does.  The purpose of the post was just speaking of how things like this happen and recognizing something should be done, to which I whole-heartedly agree.  Just minor details, that's all.

 

[prophet]

Millstones in every church parking lot, Public drowning of those who 'offend one of these little ones',  and stoning of adulterers (those who break marriage vows in fornication) might help.                                  Chase a runner, and you have a game. 
Seek a hider, and you have a game.
Put to death a pervert, and the game is over.

Anishinabe

 

[Boomer]

Millstones in every church parking lot, Public drowning of those who 'offend one of these little ones',  and stoning of adulterers (those who break marriage vows in fornication) might help.                                  Chase a runner, and you have a game. 
Seek a hider, and you have a game.
Put to death a pervert, and the game is over.

Anishinabe

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7)

I don't pretend to know the solution to all the problems involving sexual deviants in the pulpit, but I cannot agree with your point of view. I don't think weak punishment is the problem. Those who are caught in this sort of thing usually have their lives destroyed, yet the knowledge of that doesn't stop them from perpetrating the crime. I was on staff in a church where one of the other staff members was arrested and jailed for his relationship with a 16-year old girl in 2007. He is still in jail today. There was something wrong in his life for sure, but lack of fear of punishment was not it.

As for stoning and drowning people in the church parking lot, I could never cast a stone at an adulterer, or tie a millstone around someone's neck. I don't meet the qualification Jesus insisted on.

 

[prophet]

Millstones in every church parking lot, Public drowning of those who 'offend one of these little ones',  and stoning of adulterers (those who break marriage vows in fornication) might help.                                  Chase a runner, and you have a game. 
Seek a hider, and you have a game.
Put to death a pervert, and the game is over.

Anishinabe

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7)

I don't pretend to know the solution to all the problems involving sexual deviants in the pulpit, but I cannot agree with your point of view. I don't think weak punishment is the problem. Those who are caught in this sort of thing usually have their lives destroyed, yet the knowledge of that doesn't stop them from perpetrating the crime. I was on staff in a church where one of the other staff members was arrested and jailed for his relationship with a 16-year old girl in 2007. He is still in jail today. There was something wrong in his life for sure, but lack of fear of punishment was not it.

As for stoning and drowning people in the church parking lot, I could never cast a stone at an adulterer, or tie a millstone around someone's neck. I don't meet the qualification Jesus insisted on.

Show me where Jesus taught that. 
Give the context.
John 8:6 'This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.'

Anishinabe

 

[JrChurch]

This just burns me up.  The abuse of someone by an authority figure is despicable.  May God help and heal the victim. Then there is the shame to the cause of Christ, the destructive blow to a local church, the grief to a wife, children and parents....too much pain. 

 

[Boomer]

Millstones in every church parking lot, Public drowning of those who 'offend one of these little ones',  and stoning of adulterers (those who break marriage vows in fornication) might help.                                  Chase a runner, and you have a game. 
Seek a hider, and you have a game.
Put to death a pervert, and the game is over.

Anishinabe

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7)

I don't pretend to know the solution to all the problems involving sexual deviants in the pulpit, but I cannot agree with your point of view. I don't think weak punishment is the problem. Those who are caught in this sort of thing usually have their lives destroyed, yet the knowledge of that doesn't stop them from perpetrating the crime. I was on staff in a church where one of the other staff members was arrested and jailed for his relationship with a 16-year old girl in 2007. He is still in jail today. There was something wrong in his life for sure, but lack of fear of punishment was not it.

As for stoning and drowning people in the church parking lot, I could never cast a stone at an adulterer, or tie a millstone around someone's neck. I don't meet the qualification Jesus insisted on.

Show me where Jesus taught that. 
Give the context.
John 8:6 'This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.'

Anishinabe

I believe that Jesus said to the adulterous woman, "Neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more."
    - He did not wink at her sin, but Jesus exercised some compassion on her.

When Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well, He correctly pointed out that she had been married several times and was living in sin with a man. Did He pick up stones to execute the woman?

 

[samspade]

I offer no condemnation to anyone caught in sin. I've been shown too much grace to not show it to others. I have to leave the millstones and drownings to God.

That being said, it's not condemnation to say that a pastor who abuses his position has forfeited his right to that position (at least for a while). If a lawyer abuses a client (or has an inappropriate relationship) they face disbarment. If a doctor abuses a patient they face loss of their medical license. Why should a pastor who abuses the trust given to him not face the same consequences?

A Baptist pastor (church of 2400) in my area was recently (in the last 6 months) exposed for having a five year affair with his secretary. After a 30 day rehab, and a couple of months for things to cool down, he has now started a church 5 miles from his old one. I don't believe it's condemnation to say this is wrong.

 

[Boomer]

I offer no condemnation to anyone caught in sin. I've been shown too much grace to not show it to others. I have to leave the millstones and drownings to God.

That being said, it's not condemnation to say that a pastor who abuses his position has forfeited his right to that position (at least for a while). If a lawyer abuses a client (or has an inappropriate relationship) they face disbarment. If a doctor abuses a patient they face loss of their medical license. Why should a pastor who abuses the trust given to him not face the same consequences?

A Baptist pastor (church of 2400) in my area was recently (in the last 6 months) exposed for having a five year affair with his secretary. After a 30 day rehab, and a couple of months for things to cool down, he has now started a church 5 miles from his old one. I don't believe it's condemnation to say this is wrong.

I totally agree with this post. In fact, I know a similar story about an IFB pastor in Illinois who left his wife for his secretary. He left his church, moved to a town about an hour down the road, and started another church with his new wife. Things like this ought not to be so.

I am all for punishment. Such men ought to be barred from ever pastoring a church, but many continue to do so. Spiritual leaders who engage in sexual misconduct with minors ought to (and do) have a stricter judgment in court. I stop short of condemning them to death. Perhaps castration...but not death.

 

[JrChurch]

The stories related by samspade and Boomer are a reflection of the lack of character in Christianity today.  "Be ye holy, as I am holy" has been replaced with "keep your judgmental nose out of my business." 

 

[kaba]

There is a consequence for your sin. After leaving the HAC mentality I try to think outside of the box and not be judgemental. I know I am held accountable for my own actions, but after reading all the abuse from HAC/FBC on the DRHAC page and knowing about the Combs abuse and then Schaap I am skeptical of any pastors right now. I hold it together just by remembering what my parents taught me growing up as a child!