After the Election

subllibrm said:
The problem is the binary thinking that assumes that any criticism of one must be countered with an equal criticism of the other.
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That wasn't the assumption. It was a counter to one's suggested neutrality. An unbalanced criticism certainly belies any such notion.

subllibrm said:
For some reason considering the points made on their own merits is not an option.
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That wasn't the consideration, strawman.
 
aleshanee said:
and yet all your criticism and condemnation is aimed at donald trump and none of it at kamala harris.... . rather than accusing us of not knowing how to change our minds... . maybe you should admit to yourself you don;t know how to convince us what we believe about you is wrong.... .... i have an idea.... . you could start by being fair and somewhat balanced in your condemnation of both political candidated instead of simply saying you dislike them both while constantly condemning only one of them.... .... just an idea.....



have you ever heard it said the road to hell is paved with good intentions?....... well.... the road to authoritarian marxism is paved with ideals..... ..and maybe you are unaware but my ancestors were here in the american continent centuries before yours even knew it existed... ..according to democrats i am supposed to hate the united states of america and be a left winger like them because of abuses people of my race suffered 500 years ago........ but i also want america to be great again... and i also know because of what i was taught about my ancestors history.. the navajo... how great nations are undermined and destroyed.. .....


then you are definitely undermining the best candidate for that job.... and working to enable and elect the marxist that will destroy what you claim to love...... have you ever looked in a mirror and dug a big hole in your face coz you didn;t like the looks of a pimple or were embarassed by an unattractive mole?... i would not be surprised at this point to learn you did.....


no.... being clueless makes a liberal.. (or at least someone who enables and empowers them).. .. admiring cheny either means you know very little about her or you like the idea of a warmonger sending americas young men and women off to die in foreign wars so her family can continue to make money through the military industrial complex.... ..cheney and her family have the blood of thousands of americans on their hands... and also the blood of many more foriegn contractors who worked to aid and assist americans.... and if you already know all that and admire her anyway and would vote for her as president... then that blood might as well be on your hands too......

pence is not a bad guy.... in fact he has many admirable qualities.... he;s just not very smart... and he;s not a leader.... ..he proved that when he failed to even do well as an assistant to a leader...... ...he;s another one that will be living off appearances on news shows as a commnentator or at best an appointed bureaucrat .....not serving in any elected office.... because - just like liz cheney...he;s done as a politician/statesman... and politics is done with him........
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I admire your zeal, but you always seem so very angry when we discuss Trump. Maybe it's just me, but I almost feel like you're shouting through your keyboard. I hear people better when they don't call me a troll or personally attack my beliefs when they don't even know what they truly are.

There is a lot at stake in this election. I pray everyone can work through all the issues and there will be no rioting.
 
abcaines said:
I asked and folks are allowed to post signs in their personal yards so long as they don't create a distraction for passing motorists.

Restricting the placement of signs does not constitute government mandated or prohibited speech anymore than prohibiting vandalism impede the freedom of speech.
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As long as it's not being prohibited on private property I would agree.
 
Ekklesian said:
That wasn't the assumption. It was a counter to one's suggested neutrality. An unbalanced criticism certainly belies any such notion.


That wasn't the consideration, strawman.
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No, the assumption has been that because of my criticism of Mr. Trump I must therefore have a positive opinion of Mr. Biden (and now Ms. Harris). As if it’s not possible to have a conversation without having to consider “what about” rebuttals. The grownup version of “she started it”.
 
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subllibrm said:
No, the assumption has been that because of my criticism of Mr. Trump I must therefore have a positive opinion of Mr. Biden (and now Ms. Harris). As if it’s not possible to have a conversation without having to consider “what about” rebuttals. The grownup version of “she started it”.
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I don't know which thread you're reading, but in this thread, aleshanee's comment was addressed to Jo, and it was about her dubious claim of equal disdain for both candidates.
 
Jo said:
I admire your zeal, but you always seem so very angry when we discuss Trump. Maybe it's just me, but I almost feel like you're shouting through your keyboard. I hear people better when they don't call me a troll or personally attack my beliefs when they don't even know what they truly are.
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How very patronizing of you.

Jo said:
I pray everyone can work through all the issues and there will be no rioting.
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Any rioting will be on the part of the Dems, just as in 2020.

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Ekklesian said:
I don't know which thread you're reading, but in this thread, aleshanee's comment was addressed to Jo, and it was about her dubious claim of equal disdain for both candidates.
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On what evidence do you presume that she doesn’t have disdain for both?

By your reasoning, if I tell you that I love one of my grandchildren but don’t insert some statement of like feelings for all the others, I don’t love them, only the one I spoke to you about.
 
Jo said:
I admire your zeal, but you always seem so very angry when we discuss Trump. Maybe it's just me, but I almost feel like you're shouting through your keyboard. I hear people better when they don't call me a troll or personally attack my beliefs when they don't even know what they truly are.

There is a lot at stake in this election. I pray everyone can work through all the issues and there will be no rioting.
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my intensitiy and anger in discussing trump with both you and subllibrm... as well as a few who contnually agree with you... is because i remember how you both condemned and besmeared trump supporters even questioning how anyone who was a christian could support trump.. .. ...i respond better to people when they don;t question my salvation or dedication to Christ.....

and don;t even try to deny you did that...... .. sub tried to deny it... even challenging me to show him the posts where he made such accusations against me and others.... . so i did.... i made a short list of just a few few posts where he said exactly what i claimed he did....... ...(this was in the thread "does tone matter" in case you are interested)..... . ..

to this day he has not responded nor replied to the answers i gave him..... . yet he continues to slither around the forum..... (that;s rght i said "slither" )..... and claims he;s innocent... and that he never made any accusations against fellow christians based on politics.......

and in that regard i see the two of you as allies... ..kindred spirits..... . people playing a coy little game of semantics slamming one of the candidates but recoiling in righteous indignation when we say you must be a supporter of the one you never speak of..... the one you never make a single negative comment amount.......

i would have more respect for both of you if you simply came out and said you were democrats who supported kamala harris... instead of playing this dirty little game of words and slander....... but as it is now i have no respect - for either of you...... i would almost hope you both get the chance to live under the kind of authoririan marxism you;ve championed by default here... but then that means the rest of us would have to live under it too.....

i have said this many times here.... it doesn;t matter who you end up voting for if your negative rhetoric causes 10 other people to vote the other way......... i hope we don;t all have to see you and others here learn that the hard way....
 
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sword said:
Very rairly have federal troops been used against rioters. National guard troops from time to time but they were under the control og the respective Governors.

What do you expect a sitting president to do about rioters in urban cities? I do not ever want to see federal troops used against protesters. If the citys won't deal with it then its up to the Governors. The FBi or Homeland Security should not be used in these situations.r
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sword said:
She will use the power of the pin as all presidents do but with a divided congress what do you think she will get done. That's why traditionally the left used exective orders and the courts to bring about change. Persuading congress, even your own party, is hard work. I'm sure the Republicans will take the Senate and hopefully the House, but having gridlock sometimes seems best. It keeps both parties in check.
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we;ve also never had a marxist willing and already threatening to do all the things marxists are infamous for in the white house up to now either...... .... if trump loses democrats will continue to use the courts to jail both him and other high profile or outspoken republicans who supported him........ we have already seen the beginnings of it....... and how can you be sure both the sentate and house will remain in repuplicans hands?......... ..

ignoring the down ballots is something democrats admit they made a mistake doing in 2020... . they have resolved not to let that happen this year.... ........we will jsut have to wait and see tuesday night what happens.. .. but like i said before - i already live in a dark blue state...... frequently referred to by conservatives as "the peoples republican of hawaii".... not much will change here if the democrats make a sweep of the presidency and both houses of congress... ... but for those of you in red states or light blue conservative ones life could change drastically...... .
 
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subllibrm said:
I don’t have a candidate.
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you might not have a country either in 2025 if democrats win it all tomorrow night....... ... but that;s your right - to support who you want to support .... or not support anybody and live with the consequences... if that;s what you desire.......... ... and just to be clear i am well aware you even have the right to believe or even claim outloud that people who vote for someone you despise are unchristian and imply they are unsaved... .... but that was a grave mistake to do it here in a place with people you once claimed as friends.......

we all have many differences here.... our only common connection to each other is salvation and our dedication to Christ.. ... when you question that... and expecially when you question it over something like political preferences.... you destroy the very fabric that keeps us friends - and which keeps us even wanting to come back to this place....... if you can;t understand that - then as i said before - you are not worth wasting time on... ...
 
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Starlifter said:
If Trump wins, I think there will be pandemonium in the liberal cities streets.
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And what if he loses? His supporters have already rioted once, over the outcome of the 2020 election. I hesitate to call Jan. 6 an insurrection, but it was unambiguously a riot.
 
Ransom said:
And what if he loses? His supporters have already rioted once, over the outcome of the 2020 election. I hesitate to call Jan. 6 an insurrection, but it was unambiguously a riot.
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Insurrection is a pretty poor word choice for that day. Usually an insurrection will include weapons and combat/fighting. If the intent was open revolt they were woefully unprepared and disorganized.
 
aleshanee said:
all true..... except we don;t have kings ruling over this country who rule by their own will... .. ..... we have presidents elected by the people who are supposed to submit to our will - the will of the majority in alignment with the constitution.. .. .it;s a right God allowed us to have and i believe He holds us accountable in how we use it.... ... ...... democrats often forget that and start trampling both the will of the people and the constitution... .... ..and it doesn;t really surprise me to see some republicans risk having their rights trampled by voting according to personality rather than focusing on issues... ....

but what does surprise me is see fundamentalist baptists who i clearly remember posting about american patriotism and saying the united states was established as a free christian nation... now talking as if undermining the conservative candidate and enabling an authoritarian marxist to take over is somehow acceptable or ok..... ... ...... yes God can and often does turn the hearts of leaders including both kings and presidents.. . but He also can and often does allow us to suffer the consequences of our own bad decisions....

i have much more i want to say about this.... and i specifically want to answer jo;s post.... (though my sister thinks i;m wasting my time)..... .. but we have a huge lunch reservation we are going to at a very expensive restaurant - that she is paying for... so.... gotta go for now..... be back later..... :cool:
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Much truth here, especially the part about letting us suffer the consequences of our poor choices. The sentiment of not trusting in horses or chariots, regardless of the type of human agency involved ( ie, politics, military might, worldly wisdom, etc) is that God is sovereign and will accomplish His will despite man’s ambitions. Of course none of that absolves us from acting according to Biblically guided principles.
 
Jo said:
-said Lindsey Graham - January 7, 2021
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I promise I’m not looking to club you or trap you, and my question was sincere, what do you find appealing (assuming you meet some self-described notion of a conservative) about Cheney?
 
Ransom said:
And what if he loses? His supporters have already rioted once, over the outcome of the 2020 election. I hesitate to call Jan. 6 an insurrection, but it was unambiguously a riot.
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As subjective as this may sound, I believe it to be accurate...

Without diminishing the awfulness of the spectacle of Jan 6th, it seems to me that the systemic nature of the the left-wing riots in a multitude of democratically held cities (like those from the summer of love) are more indicative of the higher likelihood of a future potential "rioting in the streets", more so than the likelihood of a repeat of the one-off that occurred on Jan 6.

JMNSHO
 
ALAYMAN said:
As subjective as this may sound, I believe it to be accurate...

Without diminishing the awfulness of the spectacle of Jan 6th, it seems to me that the systemic nature of the the left-wing riots in a multitude of democratically held cities (like those from the summer of love) are more indicative of the higher likelihood of a future potential "rioting in the streets", more so than the likelihood of a repeat of the one-off that occurred on Jan 6.

JMNSHO
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Which is why I chuckled when I read the story in local news that the governor of the Socialist Republic of Washington (State) has activated the National Guard to help quell potential rioting associated with the elections. If they erupt, they will likely be in the Socialist Dystopia of Seattle (remember CHOP zones?)

Of significance, many of Uncle Jay's prized gems are potentially on the chopping block today...
 
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