After the Election

Jo said:
I have never ever said Harris is my candidate. I like to ask questions. Some of you believe I'm a liberal, and I don't know of a way to change your mind.

In all honesty, I do not like either candidate.
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Jo said:
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I am an idealist who as a young child was taught good things about Abe Lincoln and George Washington. Turns out Honest Abe was not always honest because he was human. George Washington owned slaves. Neither of them was perfect, but I thought they were.
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Jo said:
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I want our judicial system to be strong, and I want our borders to be stronger.

P.S. If admiring Liz Cheney or Mike Pence makes me a liberal, so be it!
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Yup
 
Jo said:
I have never ever said Harris is my candidate. I like to ask questions. Some of you believe I'm a liberal, and I don't know of a way to change your mind.

In all honesty, I do not like either candidate.
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and yet all your criticism and condemnation is aimed at donald trump and none of it at kamala harris.... . rather than accusing us of not knowing how to change our minds... . maybe you should admit to yourself you don;t know how to convince us what we believe about you is wrong.... .... i have an idea.... . you could start by being fair and somewhat balanced in your condemnation of both political candidated instead of simply saying you dislike them both while constantly condemning only one of them.... .... just an idea.....

Jo said:
I like old movies like, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." I love Jimmy Stewart and Gary Cooper. I am an idealist who as a young child was taught good things about Abe Lincoln and George Washington. Turns out Honest Abe was not always honest because he was human. George Washington owned slaves. Neither of them was perfect, but I thought they were. My ancestors came to America in the 1600s. I want "America to be great again."
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have you ever heard it said the road to hell is paved with good intentions?....... well.... the road to authoritarian marxism is paved with ideals..... ..and maybe you are unaware but my ancestors were here in the american continent centuries before yours even knew it existed... ..according to democrats i am supposed to hate the united states of america and be a left winger like them because of abuses people of my race suffered 500 years ago........ but i also want america to be great again... and i also know because of what i was taught about my ancestors history.. the navajo... how great nations are undermined and destroyed.. .....

Jo said:
I want our judicial system to be strong, and I want our borders to be stronger.
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then you are definitely undermining the best candidate for that job.... and working to enable and elect the marxist that will destroy what you claim to love...... have you ever looked in a mirror and dug a big hole in your face coz you didn;t like the looks of a pimple or were embarassed by an unattractive mole?... i would not be surprised at this point to learn you did.....

Jo said:
P.S. If admiring Liz Cheney or Mike Pence makes me a liberal, so be it!
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no.... being clueless makes a liberal.. (or at least someone who enables and empowers them).. .. admiring cheny either means you know very little about her or you like the idea of a warmonger sending americas young men and women off to die in foreign wars so her family can continue to make money through the military industrial complex.... ..cheney and her family have the blood of thousands of americans on their hands... and also the blood of many more foriegn contractors who worked to aid and assist americans.... and if you already know all that and admire her anyway and would vote for her as president... then that blood might as well be on your hands too......

pence is not a bad guy.... in fact he has many admirable qualities.... he;s just not very smart... and he;s not a leader.... ..he proved that when he failed to even do well as an assistant to a leader...... ...he;s another one that will be living off appearances on news shows as a commnentator or at best an appointed bureaucrat .....not serving in any elected office.... because - just like liz cheney...he;s done as a politician/statesman... and politics is done with him........
 
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"All I can say is count me out. Enough is enough."

-Lindsey Graham, January 7, 2021
 
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aleshanee said:
criticism and condemnation is aimed at donald trump and [little or] none of it at kamala harris
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With some editing, I believe @aleshanee does make a valid point. I don't know many who would elevate Trump to a paragon of moral virtue, yet while Trump's moral failures are harped on, few harp on Harris' failings which are no less grievous.

Who remembers when Clinton was caught in his adulterous escapades in the 90s? Does Trump approach or surpass anything like that? Hardly.

I'm not trying to make any excuses for any immorality for any candidate. It will either be covered by the blood of Christ or dealt with directly between the perpetrator and the Creator. But let's be fair about it... If you don't like one candidate's morality, don't be so smug as to think your choice is better.

Remember: A society's candidates are merely a reflection of that society's general morals.
 
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abcaines said:
With some editing, I believe @aleshanee does make a valid point. I don't know many who would elevate Trump to a paragon of moral virtue, yet while Trump's moral failures are harped on, few harp on Harris' failings which are no less grievous.
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*shrug* I criticize Trump here, and Harris on Twitter.

Doing it the other way around would be like preaching to the choir. Twice.
 
The problem is the binary thinking that assumes that any criticism of one must be countered with an equal criticism of the other. For some reason considering the points made on their own merits is not an option.
 
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The problem is the binary thinking that assumes that any criticism of one must be countered with an equal criticism of the other. For some reason considering the points made on their own merits is not an option.
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said the other troll who has no answers of his own.... and can;t even reply to the answers given to questions he asked himself..... (remember the thread "does tone matter?").... ... but don;t worry.... . i still believe the democrats are going to win this thing because they have perfected their methods of cheating in elections and have made it a fine art... ... do you think that;s nothing but a recently born conspiracy theory?..... think again... do some research... . democrats have been cheating in elections since the u.s. civil war.... they have over 160 years experience at it.....

i hope i am wrong...... but i believe you will get your chance in this next year, to live under the same authoritarian marxists you have been serving as a useful idiot for........ maybe then you will understand the importance of standing with one side in wartime.... and make no mistake about it - this 2024 political season.... (that actually started in 2016 with democrat protests and riots) ...has not been an ordinary election.... it has been a war.... ... ..

but take heart. .. maybe the demonrats will see you as one of their own and not come after you like they plan to do to many others who spoke up for trump and his side.... .... and you already know the republicans will not come after you no matter who wins... . if they win they will be too busy trying to run and restore the country.... .. ..democrats in hawaii are already scared silly about what republican plans might be if they win...... they are running around like thousands of chicken littles... . it;s almost funny to watch....
 
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Starlifter said:
If Trump wins, I think there will be pandemonium in the liberal cities streets.
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yep... probably just like 2017 through 2020.... but even with all that the country was still doing better than it did under obama..... .. hopfully trump will have a better idea on how to deal with the rioters this time..... and hopefully the justice department will do it;s job for once.... the way it is supposed to be done.....
 
Jo said:
If your candidate does not win, what are your plans?
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1. Cry
2. Quake in my boots
3. Croke due to a heart attack. (jk)

I will carry on and hope that the inevitable changes will be slow rather than fast. I will listen to more calming music, leave the tv off, and hug my loved ones a little more. And I'll do all of that AFTER I go vote this coming Tuesday.
 
Jo said:
If your candidate does not win, what are your plans?

I hope no one ever storms the Capitol again. Our country can survive many things, but fights and factions from within may be how democracy gets a little dimmer.
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I have a King who is still on the throne, so I plan to set my heart to glorify him by enjoying him forever, doing all I can to reach my family members with the message of Christ and his salvation.
 
Jo said:
If your candidate does not win, what are your plans?

I hope no one ever storms the Capitol again. Our country can survive many things, but fights and factions from within may be how democracy gets a little dimmer.
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We will do what we did afer Clinton, Obama and Biden got elected, we just keep doing what we are doing and keep praying for Gods protection for our nation.

2 Chronicles 7:14 ​

With a likely split government, very little will get done because of gridlock.
 
aleshanee said:
yep... probably just like 2017 through 2020.... but even with all that the country was still doing better than it did under obama..... .. hopfully trump will have a better idea on how to deal with the rioters this time..... and hopefully the justice department will do it;s job for once.... the way it is supposed to be done.....
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Very rairly have federal troops been used against rioters. National guard troops from time to time but they were under the control og the respective Governors.

What do you expect a sitting president to do about rioters in urban cities? I do not ever want to see federal troops used against protesters. If the citys won't deal with it then its up to the Governors. The FBi or Homeland Security should not be used in these situations.
 
aleshanee said:
i don;t plan to do anything... other than just continue on with what i;m doing now.... ...

but just like you hope no-one storms the capital if your candidate is awarded the election ..... i hope no one carries on 4 years of riots... burning... looting... and murdering people in their path ... if mine wins........ ....and i certainly hope we don;t have a high ranking politician praise those rioters.... tell both them and the nation that they should continue those riots.... and then bail the rioters out of jail when they get arrested... .. like your candidate for president kamala harris did in 2020 when questioned about it by reporters.....

of course nothing will stop people like hilary clinton or the crew of the view continuing to claim donald trump is an asset of russia and and unfit to be president whether or not he wins - like they started doing in late 2016 and have not ceased to do for every day since.......

but my question is what will you do if your candidate wins....as a marxist kamala harris will do all she can to promote communism and socialist ideology... and force it into every part of american life........ already living in one of the bluest states of all - not much will change for me...... but your life could radically change if you live in a state where democrats and leftist policies don;t already rule ...have you ever actually lived under authoritarian socialism?... . how will you handle it i wonder?
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She will use the power of the pin as all presidents do but with a divided congress what do you think she will get done. That's why traditionally the left used exective orders and the courts to bring about change. Persuading congress, even your own party, is hard work. I'm sure the Republicans will take the Senate and hopefully the House, but having gridlock sometimes seems best. It keeps both parties in check.
 
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