1 Cor 8: A misunderstood, hand grenade text

[rsc2a]

Examples like this show why the KJVO position is asinine.

Hey, I'm not above tossing you a bone: "Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called 'knowledge',..." I Tim. 6:20 ESV

So we've made an tentative identification of at least one of the prevalent idolatries of America: secular-deist humanism.  Care to join in with your thoughts on whether you agree or disagree, accompanying instruments and inventions (idols) or any pollutions that have made their way to the level of cultural acceptance or identification?

Same idols that have be culturally accepted through all of history: food, sex, power, self, security, etc....

(and I still think your initial definitions are broken).

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

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Examples like this show why the KJVO position is asinine.

Once again you show your foolishness.  Anchor is NOT KJVo by ANY stretch.
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We're you EVER in doubt about his foolishness?!  ;D

 

[Anchor]

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(and I still think your initial definitions are broken).

Fix them.  That offer has been on the table for a couple pages now. 

 

[rsc2a]

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(and I still think your initial definitions are broken).

Fix them.  That offer has been on the table for a couple pages now.

I've also said you have refused to answer the question you've asked at least three people when asked the same, so why should I bother?

 

[biscuit1953]

Examples like this show why the KJVO position is asinine.

Hey, I'm not above tossing you a bone: "Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called 'knowledge',..." I Tim. 6:20 ESV

So we've made an tentative identification of at least one of the prevalent idolatries of America: secular-deist humanism.  Care to join in with your thoughts on whether you agree or disagree, accompanying instruments and inventions (idols) or any pollutions that have made their way to the level of cultural acceptance or identification?

Same idols that have be culturally accepted through all of history: food, sex, power, self, security, etc....

(and I still think your initial definitions are broken).

It seems to be getting to the point of absurdity.  Just come on out and tell us the answer.  It reminds me of Herb Evans who would post a hundred questions for someone to answer before he would give his answer.  So with bated breath, name them!  This is addressed to Anchor.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
We're you EVER in doubt about his foolishness?!  ;D
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Nope.  The ole "fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me" line applies with this cat.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]
So if a church has a ministry called "Upward" and they use sports to bring folks to Christ, it would be wrong because sports are a cultural idol?
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Only if Paul's reference to running the race and various other metaphors was advocating idolatry.   The dumb idol has no power intrinsically, but the acoutriments of cultural idolatry certainly made Paul state that he'd forgo his liberty in the case of those who could not overcome the baggage of cultural idolatry.

 

[Mathew Ward]

So, since sports is a cultural idol, a church should not use it to reach folks with the gospel?  Is that your position since you stated sports was an idol?

 

[ALAYMAN]

So, since sports is a cultural idol, a church should not use it to reach folks with the gospel?  Is that your position since you stated sports was an idol?

uhhh, no, that's not my point at all.  Sports can be an idol, and culturally speaking, by and large, has idolatrous trappings (as alluded to in the Skit Guys video), but can be enjoyed without such taintedness.  However, just as Paul warned of enjoying one's liberty to the detriment of those around us in the culture who are still ensnared in false worship, we need to be cognizant of where they are and not demand that our liberty be the be-all and end-all of the conversation.

 

[Anchor]

So, as we continue down this road of correctly and biblically identifying cultural idolatry, the next step is to be able to recognize worship, whether it be true worship or false worship.  Worship has distinct characteristics.

The 1st characteristic of all worship is that it involves an object or being; i.e., you are worshipping something.

Usually that object or being is casually identifiable
Acts 7:42 "Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;..."
Acts 19:35 "...what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?"
Rom. 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever."

The object or being may be of a metaphysical nature instead of a physical nature
Col. 2:18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels..."

The object or being may be an undefined entity
Acts 17:23 "For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." 

As we have begun to make identifications, using this primary (1st of at least 6 ) identifier does our deistic secular humanism identification fit the biblical model?

 

[FSSL]

Could we not belabor this and just agree, as Paul said, an idol can be ANYTHING? You are trying to hide your non-answers with verbose baggage.

 

[Izdaari]

Could we not belabor this and just agree, as Paul said, an idol can be ANYTHING? You are trying to hide your non-answers with verbose baggage.

Yep. Pedantic and pointless. The beating of dead horses.