Would you be so ecumenical so as to...

[thethinkingrebel]

Ozzy, rebel,

I agree with both you guys. I would really like to hear Jesus preach in a Catholic church, and Catholics should be eager to listen to Him, according to their own doctrine. I agree that He fulfilled the Law.

My Sister, I would love to hear Jesus PREACHED in many so-called protestant churches, let alone preach himself.

Many modern churches preach works, deny the sufficiency of the cross, may as well ignore grace.

 

[Izdaari]

Ozzy, rebel,

I agree with both you guys. I would really like to hear Jesus preach in a Catholic church, and Catholics should be eager to listen to Him, according to their own doctrine. I agree that He fulfilled the Law.

My Sister, I would love to hear Jesus PREACHED in many so-called protestant churches, let alone preach himself.

Many modern churches preach works, deny the sufficiency of the cross, may as well ignore grace.

Alas, you are all too right about that! 

 

[PAYDAY]

As I elected to travel on Sunday, it really wouldn't be something that was legitimately "outside of their control", and as such, I also choose to make a reasonable effort to gather with like-minded evangelicals to worship on the Lord's day.

If we're to take that to its logical end, then we'd have to conclude that it was wrong to travel far enough away from your church to prevent you from returning for the next Sunday. That's obviously silly.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=thethinkingrebel]Okay, was just worried you would throw yourself in at the deep end and start carrying a rosary
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Some months back I had somewhat of a personal crisis.  My brother, who claimed a born-again experience several years ago, was about to be baptized into the Catholic church.  He asked if I'd come and share in his joy.  He knows I'm a fundy baptist.  We talked about stuff, and my angst while deliberating whether to accept his offer.  In the end, I went to the service, out of curiosity more than anything.  It was lonnnnnnnnng, about 3 hours.  His <Catholic> in-laws were  teasing me after it was over about how these baptismal services are typically the longest of the Roman Catholic types of services.  Lucky me.

 

[Izdaari]

[quote author=thethinkingrebel]Okay, was just worried you would throw yourself in at the deep end and start carrying a rosary

Some months back I had somewhat of a personal crisis.  My brother, who claimed a born-again experience several years ago, was about to be baptized into the Catholic church.  He asked if I'd come and share in his joy.  He knows I'm a fundy baptist.  We talked about stuff, and my angst while deliberating whether to accept his offer.  In the end, I went to the service, out of curiosity more than anything.  It was lonnnnnnnnng, about 3 hours.  His <Catholic> in-laws were  teasing me after it was over about how these baptismal services are typically the longest of the Roman Catholic types of services.  Lucky me.
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Somehow I don't get the impression you're quite ready to convert to Catholicism. 

 

[thethinkingrebel]

[quote author=thethinkingrebel]Okay, was just worried you would throw yourself in at the deep end and start carrying a rosary

Some months back I had somewhat of a personal crisis.  My brother, who claimed a born-again experience several years ago, was about to be baptized into the Catholic church.  He asked if I'd come and share in his joy.  He knows I'm a fundy baptist.  We talked about stuff, and my angst while deliberating whether to accept his offer.  In the end, I went to the service, out of curiosity more than anything.  It was lonnnnnnnnng, about 3 hours.  His <Catholic> in-laws were  teasing me after it was over about how these baptismal services are typically the longest of the Roman Catholic types of services.  Lucky me.
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Admission, I was also sprinkled into the Catholic church. Many years ago now when I was 16 (25 now). It really is 3 hours long, parts in English and Latin. The Idea is to create a spiritual experience. It doesn't really work, but you could view it as a ritualistic rebirth, pure flesh. They even give you a new name (I chose Paul). This of course is unscriptural, baptism does not rebirth you, but is a reference to the flood of Noah, and its intention is to signal to God that yoi truly want to change.

The first birth (water) is from your mother, the second (spirit) from God.

Anyway, I'm going to stop moaning now as its way off topic.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=thethinkingrebel]
Admission, I was also sprinkled into the Catholic church. Many years ago now when I was 16 (25 now). It really is 3 hours long, parts in English and Latin. The Idea is to create a spiritual experience. It doesn't really work, but you could view it as a ritualistic rebirth, pure flesh. They even give you a new name (I chose Paul). This of course is unscriptural, baptism does not rebirth you, but is a reference to the flood of Noah, and its intention is to signal to God that yoi truly want to change.

The first birth (water) is from your mother, the second (spirit) from God.

Anyway, I'm going to stop moaning now as its way off topic.
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Thanks for the bio.  What led you out of the RC church?

 

[Greaves]

[quote author=thethinkingrebel]Okay, was just worried you would throw yourself in at the deep end and start carrying a rosary

Some months back I had somewhat of a personal crisis.  My brother, who claimed a born-again experience several years ago, was about to be baptized into the Catholic church.  He asked if I'd come and share in his joy.  He knows I'm a fundy baptist.  We talked about stuff, and my angst while deliberating whether to accept his offer.  In the end, I went to the service, out of curiosity more than anything.  It was lonnnnnnnnng, about 3 hours.  His <Catholic> in-laws were  teasing me after it was over about how these baptismal services are typically the longest of the Roman Catholic types of services.  Lucky me.
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was your brother never baptised after his "born-again experience"?  As I understand things, the Catholic Church doesn't rebaptise, but if a convert had never had a Trinitarian baptism, then he or she will get a first baptising.

Infant baptisms are usually grafted into a regular Mass, taking it from 60 minutes to 70 minutes.  Confirmation, which is when you get a new name, takes for-e-v-e-r.  As an adult convert, they probably combined the two sacraments.

 

[Izdaari]

was your brother never baptised after his "born-again experience"?  As I understand things, the Catholic Church doesn't rebaptise, but if a convert had never had a Trinitarian baptism, then he or she will get a first baptising.

Right, Catholics normally accept a previous trinitarian baptism as valid. So probably he hadn't been baptized before, or something. But if he'd been baptized as a Oneness Pentecostal, that wouldn't have qualified.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Greaves]was your brother never baptised after his "born-again experience"?[/quote]


No, his moment of conversion was not via any outreach of a particular ministry.  It's a long story, but the short of it is that a variety of circumstances and personal health crises led to his decision to trust Christ.  He's been married to a gal that has been a practicing Catholic for many years, and his faith journey was at least partly impacted by his occasional attendance to the Catholic church with his wife.