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worship with Roman Catholics?


For a little context:
Going on a sea cruise to celebrate ALAYWIFE being gullible enough to stay with me for 20 years :D.  On board the ship they don't have formal organized Christian worship meetings, on Sunday or any other day.  We sail out on Saturday and I don't want to not gather with other believers on the Lord's day.  Some forum chatter has revealed that the Roman Catholics do often have a priest on board who serves the Eucharist and mass.  Questions....


1) Would you attend their service?
2) Would you try to make an attempt at getting other evangelical Christians onboard to meet on Sunday morning?
3) Have "church" with you and your family in your room?
4) Do nothing about Sunday worship, sleep in, get up and go play the slots and have a few extra celebratory beers and rum punch at the day's port of call?
5) Other?
 
ALAYMAN said:
worship with Roman Catholics?


For a little context:
Going on a sea cruise to celebrate ALAYWIFE being gullible enough to stay with me for 20 years :D.  On board the ship they don't have formal organized Christian worship meetings, on Sunday or any other day.  We sail out on Saturday and I don't want to not gather with other believers on the Lord's day.  Some forum chatter has revealed that the Roman Catholics do often have a priest on board who serves the Eucharist and mass.  Questions....


1) Would you attend their service?
2) Would you try to make an attempt at getting other evangelical Christians onboard to meet on Sunday morning?
3) Have "church" with you and your family in your room?
4) Do nothing about Sunday worship, sleep in, get up and go play the slots and have a few extra celebratory beers and rum punch at the day's port of call?
5) Other?
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1 and/or 2 and/or 4.
 
I'm fine with attending a Catholic service. I'm not fine with taking their Eucharist, but they wouldn't let me anyway.

I might possibly take any of the four options, though I'd modify #2 a little: I would also include mainline denominations.
 
It looks like Alayman has made his decision. He put more thought into #4.
 
ALAYMAN said:
worship with Roman Catholics?


For a little context:
Going on a sea cruise to celebrate ALAYWIFE being gullible enough to stay with me for 20 years :D.  On board the ship they don't have formal organized Christian worship meetings, on Sunday or any other day.  We sail out on Saturday and I don't want to not gather with other believers on the Lord's day.  Some forum chatter has revealed that the Roman Catholics do often have a priest on board who serves the Eucharist and mass.  Questions....


1) Would you attend their service?
2) Would you try to make an attempt at getting other evangelical Christians onboard to meet on Sunday morning?
3) Have "church" with you and your family in your room?
4) Do nothing about Sunday worship, sleep in, get up and go play the slots and have a few extra celebratory beers and rum punch at the day's port of call?
5) Other?
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I would do number 3.
 
Having been in that very same position, tried to do number 2, but settled for three. Many times now my wife and I find ourselves places with no other Evangelical Christians to worship with. In those cases we have church by ourselves or, if possible, listen to the stream from our church back home over the Internet.
 
1 NO No need to listen to a lost person preach about Christ
2 doubtful
3 Yes
4 LOL not yet
 
What would Jesus do? Or rather what did he do? What does the Bible say?

Now personally I've never gone to church on vacation - it just wasn't something we did while growing up. I'd never go on a cruise - long boat trips are just not my cup of tea.
 
FSSL said:
It looks like Alayman has made his decision. He put more thought into #4.
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lol, I so own you.
 
I wouldn't worship with Catholics just because of Philippians 2:2. Catholics do believe in certain essentials regarding the Faith but they don't worship the same. There is not of the same mind as me. Concerning those essentials though, the devils also believe them as well even if they don't want everyone to believe them. Doctrinal unity is not enough. There must be more for it to be Biblical unity. This is why I won't even worship with some Independent Fundamental Baptists in their churches because there just isn't a real Biblical unity.
 
brianb said:
I wouldn't worship with Catholics just because of Philippians 2:2. Catholics do believe in certain essentials regarding the Faith but they don't worship the same. There is not of the same mind as me. Concerning those essentials though, the devils also believe them as well even if they don't want everyone to believe them. Doctrinal unity is not enough. There must be more for it to be Biblical unity. This is why I won't even worship with some Independent Fundamental Baptists in their churches because there just isn't a real Biblical unity.
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Sounds like you're a hyper-uber-separationalist-fundy!










;)

On the "What would Jesus do? " question, I think Jesus was a good Sabbath honoring Jew, observant of proper times of worship, don't you?
 
brianb said:
I wouldn't worship with Catholics just because of Philippians 2:2. Catholics do believe in certain essentials regarding the Faith but they don't worship the same. There is not of the same mind as me. Concerning those essentials though, the devils also believe them as well even if they don't want everyone to believe them. Doctrinal unity is not enough. There must be more for it to be Biblical unity. This is why I won't even worship with some Independent Fundamental Baptists in their churches because there just isn't a real Biblical unity.
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Unity does not mean everyone thinks the same thing. Unity means that everyone is one in spite of their differences. For example, my wife and I are one; we are united. And there are vast differences between she and I.

unity ≠ uniformity
 
rsc2a said:
brianb said:
I wouldn't worship with Catholics just because of Philippians 2:2. Catholics do believe in certain essentials regarding the Faith but they don't worship the same. There is not of the same mind as me. Concerning those essentials though, the devils also believe them as well even if they don't want everyone to believe them. Doctrinal unity is not enough. There must be more for it to be Biblical unity. This is why I won't even worship with some Independent Fundamental Baptists in their churches because there just isn't a real Biblical unity.
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Unity does not mean everyone thinks the same thing. Unity means that everyone is one in spite of their differences. For example, my wife and I are one; we are united. And there are vast differences between she and I.

unity ≠ uniformity
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True and according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 diversity is God's plan and there is strength in the Body when each individual part does what it was created to do..it makes the whole what it should be.  That being said this diversity is not without boundaries...there is truth and there is error...and the two cannot coexist.
 
rsc2a said:
brianb said:
I wouldn't worship with Catholics just because of Philippians 2:2. Catholics do believe in certain essentials regarding the Faith but they don't worship the same. There is not of the same mind as me. Concerning those essentials though, the devils also believe them as well even if they don't want everyone to believe them. Doctrinal unity is not enough. There must be more for it to be Biblical unity. This is why I won't even worship with some Independent Fundamental Baptists in their churches because there just isn't a real Biblical unity.
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Unity does not mean everyone thinks the same thing. Unity means that everyone is one in spite of their differences. For example, my wife and I are one; we are united. And there are vast differences between she and I.

unity ≠ uniformity
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That's not what I meant. Catholics for example don't worship like we worship - they worship through visuals like crosses and rosaries - things based on their Tradition - true worshipers worship God in Spirit and in truth based on the Bible. In most Catholic churches you may find one or two that are saved but most often it's not the minister.  Most of them have a different view of justification - justification through a mix of faith and works. Typically those who are ecumenical are aware that the Roman Catholic church believes this but see it is secondary and not an essential to divide over. But there are other reasons I wouldn't worship with someone or some group. For example the pastor could be abusive - I can always find out through other members what it's like visit a church. I can even do an online search - the bad churches are usually the ones that are the most talked about. All these churches believe the five fundamentals but that doesn't mean I would worship with them. There are many that don't want to worship at our church just because they don't like our conservative hymn book music. Music is just as important to those who like contemporary music in church as it is to those who like the older music. I've met few people on both sides of the issue who tolerate or like all kinds of music - not that I'm saying one should like all kinds of music - I don't expect people to listen to Slayer or some of this newer music like from Lamb of God which is a new death metal band - there is a limit.  When you say that one doesn't have to like the same things I agree. There are a few things I don't like about my church but there are many more things I don't like about other churches I've been to which is why I've been at my current church for so many years.
 
ALAYMAN said:
worship with Roman Catholics?


For a little context:
Going on a sea cruise to celebrate ALAYWIFE being gullible enough to stay with me for 20 years :D.  On board the ship they don't have formal organized Christian worship meetings, on Sunday or any other day.  We sail out on Saturday and I don't want to not gather with other believers on the Lord's day.  Some forum chatter has revealed that the Roman Catholics do often have a priest on board who serves the Eucharist and mass.  Questions....


1) Would you attend their service?
2) Would you try to make an attempt at getting other evangelical Christians onboard to meet on Sunday morning?
3) Have "church" with you and your family in your room?
4) Do nothing about Sunday worship, sleep in, get up and go play the slots and have a few extra celebratory beers and rum punch at the day's port of call?
5) Other?
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Something like #3.

#1 would be an abomination, and we don't do abominations-- even on vacation.
#2 might be sincere, but the likelihood of finding a few evangelicals willing to worship God in, and only in, the way He requires is going to be prettyy slim.
#4 is about as bad as #1.  It's still the Lord's Day and He still requires it to be set aside.

So it's something like #3  Prolly find a quiet spot somewhere to sing psalms, pray, and read the Word.  Wouldn't stay hidden in the room though-- and would be willing to offer a little exercise in catechizing to anyone interested.
 
I think we need Dr. Bob here - he's an expert on cruises.
 
1) Would you attend their service?

Nope.  The mass is an offense to Christ and his people.

2) Would you try to make an attempt at getting other evangelical Christians onboard to meet on Sunday morning?

Maybe, if I happened to meet up with some, however likely that would be.

3) Have "church" with you and your family in your room?

Sure, maybe pray together and have a quick devotional of some kind.

4) Do nothing about Sunday worship, sleep in, get up and go play the slots and have a few extra celebratory beers and rum punch at the day's port of call?

Clearly you've put the most thought into this one.

5) Other?

What would Al Mohler do?
 
Just look for the "fish" - that's usually a good way of identifying an evangelical Christian.
 
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