Worst form of cursing

[rsc2a]

Saying "Oh my God" is not, IMO, blasphemy or cursing, or taking God's name in vain, because God's name is not "God".

Amen.

[quote author=Tom Brennan] :

Genesis 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;[/quote]

Actually:

Gen 35:11 says ויאמר לו אלהים אני אל שדי פרה ורבה גוי וקהל גוים יהיה ממך ומלכים מחלציך יצאו׃

and "God" would be "el" or "elohim" in the transliterated version which is often just a generic term meaning "god". If you want God's "name", you'd be better off going to Exodus 3:14 because that's the first place it makes an appearance.

 

[rsc2a]

Saying "Oh my God" is not, IMO, blasphemy or cursing, or taking God's name in vain, because God's name is not "God".

"The lost may argue that they don't consider saying "God" to be blasphemy.  In fact, the phrase "omigod" is so embedded in the vocabulary of youth today that it is shortened to "OMG" for ease in text messaging.  It is just a meaningless word to them.  In other words, they don't esteem the name of God.  The Hebrew word used for "vain" means nothingness, emptiness, vanity.  To misuse God's name means literally, "to lift it up to or attach it to emptiness." 

"We live in blasphemous times, when God's holy name isn't honored and is even used as a cuss word.  Sinners try to justify blasphemy by saying that God's name is "just a word" that they don't even think about when they use it.  Their own mouths condemn them.  His precious name rolls off their sinful tongue without a second thought, as though He didn't exist.  Humanity may take the sin of blasphemy lightly, but God doesn't.  He gives it the sentence of death (Lev 24:16)."  (The Evidence Bible)
http://hollywoodandgod.com/

Someone might want to look up "blasphemy" in a lexicon....

 

[rsc2a]

1. Why is taking God's name in vain considered cursing if it's not a curse, like "God damn you"?  "Oh my God" may be taking God's name in vain, but it is not a curse. 

2. Gosh, golly, jeez, and my favorite, jeez louise, are not taking God's name in vain.  They are ways to AVOID taking God's name in vain, just like "heck" is a way to avoid saying "hell".  Many people will write G-d instead of God to avoid taking God's name in vain, yet G-d is a whole lot closer to God than Golly.

I had this conversation with an extreme IFBer a couple months ago.

I was trying to explain to him how God is much more concerned with the attitude of our heart than with whether or not we use words that some people in our present culture (time and location) finds questionable. I told him when he talks down about people in degrading, snide, insulting and belittling ways that he is being much more offensive to God than when I happen to use a four-letter word that a few people in our time and country object to. He insisted that "pure speech" isn't about your attitude and how you talk to others but whether or not you use certain words or not.

Of course when one believes that your sanctification is measured in how well you keep some man-made rules while ignoring God's commands about loving others, I can't say that I'm all that surprised.

 

[rsc2a]

I'd say a worse practice that saying 'oh my God' is telling someone you have to do something because "God" told you to, especially when you are trying to use that as a pass to do something extremely negative and/or hurtful regarding others.

I don't see that as a form of cursing, I will have to think though, what I would call it.

I'll ponder it for awhile.

I would consider it taking God's name in vain.

(But I see your point.)

 

[biscuit1953]

Saying "Oh my God" is not, IMO, blasphemy or cursing, or taking God's name in vain, because God's name is not "God".

"The lost may argue that they don't consider saying "God" to be blasphemy.  In fact, the phrase "omigod" is so embedded in the vocabulary of youth today that it is shortened to "OMG" for ease in text messaging.  It is just a meaningless word to them.  In other words, they don't esteem the name of God.  The Hebrew word used for "vain" means nothingness, emptiness, vanity.  To misuse God's name means literally, "to lift it up to or attach it to emptiness." 

"We live in blasphemous times, when God's holy name isn't honored and is even used as a cuss word.  Sinners try to justify blasphemy by saying that God's name is "just a word" that they don't even think about when they use it.  Their own mouths condemn them.  His precious name rolls off their sinful tongue without a second thought, as though He didn't exist.  Humanity may take the sin of blasphemy lightly, but God doesn't.  He gives it the sentence of death (Lev 24:16)."  (The Evidence Bible)
http://hollywoodandgod.com/

Someone might want to look up "blasphemy" in a lexicon....

John Gill - "Thou shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain,.... Make use of the name Lord or God, or any other name and epithet of the divine Being, in a light and trifling way, without any show of reverence of him, and affection to him;"

Barnes - "The caution that a breach of this commandment incurs guilt in the eyes of Yahweh is especially appropriate, in consequence of the ease with which the temptation to take God

 

[Biker]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

The words, "Oh My God" are not wrong in and of itself.  I LOVE It when my wife says it!  ;D





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[Biker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaDaRLm_0w#

 

[biscuit1953]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

The words, "Oh My God" are not wrong in and of itself.  I LOVE It when my wife says it!  ;D





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Is that supposed to be funny?

 

[Timothy]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

I suppose the worse form would be when someone uses a certain word or phrase after God clearly showed them they need to stop. Or, after a fellow sister or brother asked in love if they would stop when around them.

We had a teen who would say "Oh My G*d" on Church property when interacting with her friends. My wife was very bothered by it and talked with the youth leaders wife. The young girl hasn't done it for a long time - maybe something was said.

I should add that when people curse around my younger children I get agitated. Once again, my wife will ask them to stop and generally they give a big attitude.

Regarding lost people - they don't know better ....

 

[Biker]

Saying "Oh my God" is not, IMO, blasphemy or cursing, or taking God's name in vain, because God's name is not "God".

"The lost may argue that they don't consider saying "God" to be blasphemy.  In fact, the phrase "omigod" is so embedded in the vocabulary of youth today that it is shortened to "OMG" for ease in text messaging.  It is just a meaningless word to them.  In other words, they don't esteem the name of God.  The Hebrew word used for "vain" means nothingness, emptiness, vanity.  To misuse God's name means literally, "to lift it up to or attach it to emptiness." 

"We live in blasphemous times, when God's holy name isn't honored and is even used as a cuss word.  Sinners try to justify blasphemy by saying that God's name is "just a word" that they don't even think about when they use it.  Their own mouths condemn them.  His precious name rolls off their sinful tongue without a second thought, as though He didn't exist.  Humanity may take the sin of blasphemy lightly, but God doesn't.  He gives it the sentence of death (Lev 24:16)."  (The Evidence Bible)
http://hollywoodandgod.com/

I am not gonna clock on the hellywood link, get enough of the celebrity media circus just waiting in line the few minutes at the grocery store via the magazines. Though I usually shop health food stores, partially to avoid that junk

You're gonna find references to blasphemy, unnatural sex (a ton of references, a fundy paradise though when natural references to gods gift are mentioned, oh oh don't do that! ) drunkenness, theft, etc.. all the stuff we come to expect from unbelievers. Honestly after becoming Christian, we just aren't around it much. We are aliens here on this planet according to Paul, vegabonds and this life is but a blink of an eye compared to enternity, thank God.

 

[Biker]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

The words, "Oh My God" are not wrong in and of itself.  I LOVE It when my wife says it!  ;D





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Is that supposed to be funny?

I haven't analyzed that comment deeply I admit..., but again, I LOVE My wife!!

And again, it is not blasphemy to say "Oh my God" in and of itself, the topic of the thread.

I agree with Timothy. If asked lovingly to stop (in private, meaning respectfully person to person)and they continue, that would not be showing love for each other.

 

[Castor Muscular]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

The words, "Oh My God" are not wrong in and of itself.  I LOVE It when my wife says it!  ;D





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Is that supposed to be funny?

I thought it was funny.  But then I'm the kind of person with which you want to do to have nothing.

 

[biscuit1953]

In your mind, what is the worst form of Cursing?

I say it is when people say "Oh, My God!" and mean nothing other than "Wow."  In my mind it is blasphemy.

The words, "Oh My God" are not wrong in and of itself.  I LOVE It when my wife says it!  ;D





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Is that supposed to be funny?

I thought it was funny.  But then I'm the kind of person with which you want to do to have nothing.

I won't discuss doctrine with a heretic.  If one can't agree on what is scripture there is no need to interact on what is truth.  You are a heretic.

 

[Biker]

I won't discuss doctrine with a heretic.  If one can't agree on what is scripture there is no need to interact on what is truth.  You are a heretic.

I might take a poll regarding my sig line. Which sounds better, "Oh the irony" or "That's rich?"

Anyhow,,,, you say Castor and yourself can't agree "On what is scripture there is no need to interact with what is truth" (cut and pasted)

Your opposition to interact w/him upon what is truth -and- your use of HERETIC doesn't line up with scripture

Heretic/Heresy is a buzz word in Christianity because it is known to be a threat to the Unity of Christians in the local church. Heresy means choosing, choice, course of action, or school of thought . It comes from the word haeresis, a Latin transliteration of the Greek.  Heresies is found the New Testament generally attached to False Prophets/False Teachers. To my knowledge, Castor is a layman.

Heretic is only found in the KJV  once - Titus 3:10 . A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; This is pertaining to a Church Member who is also rebellious and unwilling to submit to authority within the church. It's not just one belief but a mindset. This is the beginning steps of Church Discipline.  Not much scriptural knowledge is needed for a layman to be saved, depending upon his journey. The qualifications for an Elder, Pastor, Bishop, Overseer, are much more stringent. They are accountable for Souls.

Heresy opposing an essential doctrine of salvation should be refuted, yes, but LOVINGLY with the layman. There is no justification for name calling, especially when the name Heretic doesn't even apply.  Context is important

Identifying False Teachers is a biblical mandate for Elders, by the way. To align or involve their congregation with those who actively oppose Christ means suffering grave consequences. Their standard is higher. But even yet, damnable heresies can often be corrected without confrontation with regards to Teachers, Elders, Bishops & Pastors. Personally, if I am left to wonder if they got it, I'll then be more direct. Rightly dividing the truth of scripture must be top priority for those in leadership. If the shoe were on the other foot, that's how I'd hope to be treated.







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[Biker]

[quote author=Castor Muscular]
I thought it was funny
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Thanks I appreciate that 

 

[biscuit1953]

I won't discuss doctrine with a heretic.  If one can't agree on what is scripture there is no need to interact on what is truth.  You are a heretic.

I might take a poll regarding my sig line. Which sounds better, "Oh the irony" or "That's rich?"

Anyhow,,,, you say Castor and yourself can't agree "On what is scripture there is no need to interact with what is truth" (cut and pasted)

Your opposition to interact w/him upon what is truth -and- your use of HERETIC doesn't line up with scripture

Heretic/Heresy is a buzz word in Christianity because it is known to be a threat to the Unity of Christians in the local church. Heresy means choosing, choice, course of action, or school of thought . It comes from the word haeresis, a Latin transliteration of the Greek.  Heresies is found the New Testament generally attached to False Prophets/False Teachers. To my knowledge, Castor is a layman.

Heretic is only found in the KJV  once - Titus 3:10 . A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; This is pertaining to a Church Member who is also rebellious and unwilling to submit to authority within the church. It's not just one belief but a mindset. This is the beginning steps of Church Discipline.  Not much scriptural knowledge is needed for a layman to be saved, depending upon his journey. The qualifications for an Elder, Pastor, Bishop, Overseer, are much more stringent. They are accountable for Souls.

Heresy opposing an essential doctrine of salvation should be refuted, yes, but LOVINGLY with the layman. There is no justification for name calling, especially when the name Heretic doesn't even apply.  Context is important

Identifying False Teachers is a biblical mandate for Elders, by the way. To align or involve their congregation with those who actively oppose Christ means suffering grave consequences. Their standard is higher. But even yet, damnable heresies can often be corrected without confrontation with regards to Teachers, Elders, Bishops & Pastors. Personally, if I am left to wonder if they got it, I'll then be more direct. Rightly dividing the truth of scripture must be top priority for those in leadership. If the shoe were on the other foot, that's how I'd hope to be treated.







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Any man who brings division to the body of Christ through rejecting scripture is a heretic.  Castor chooses to reject the canon of scripture accepted by the body of Christ down through the centuries.  He picks and chooses what he believes to be scripture.  Why don't you start a funny God joke thread.  As long as you don't use the f-word or d-word with it I'm sure it will be OK.  Your use of the name of God is offensive.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=biscuit1953]Any man who brings division to the body of Christ through rejecting scripture is a heretic.  Castor chooses to reject the canon of scripture accepted by the body of Christ down through the centuries.  He picks and chooses what he believes to be scripture.  Why don't you start a funny God joke thread.  As long as you don't use the f-word or d-word with it I'm sure it will be OK.  Your use of the name of God is offensive.[/quote]

You do realize the issue of the canon isn't an essential part of our faith, right? In other words, people can have a different idea of what should be included in the canon and still be a Christian. And you are going to have a problem with just allowing what has been "accepted by the body of Christ down through the centuries" since there has never been agreement on what should be included across all of Christendom.



I'd also reiterate what Biker said in that, when you correct someone, you should correct them lovingly...

And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:2 ESV)

Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way...(Ephesians 4:15a ESV)

...some people seem to think that there will be some giant multiple choice test before God lets you through the pearly gates where, if you get the wrong answer, you'll be eternally damned.  Instead of asking if we can recite the five points of Calvinism, the solas, or the Roman road, the question will be much closer to, "Did you love people and love God? Were you kind? Did you take care of the needy and stand up for the downtrodden?" The truth is that God is much more concerned with your heart than with your head (which does not imply we shouldn't use our head).

- truth is important. (The lower case was intentional.)
- Truth is essential. (John 14:6)

If you read the high priestly prayer, one of the most important prayers in Scripture (John 17), you'll find that Jesus prayed that the truth would be known by the Apostles. When it came to those who would come after the Apostles (that's you and me), Jesus seemed to be more concerned with unity. That is, to say, that truth is important, but unity even more so.



In fact, Jesus said that people would know the world would be God sent Jesus by the truth we hold by the fact that we are unified. Diversity (even of mind) does not mean division. Unity does not mean uniformity. A

Just as each room in a house is different yet unified, so to should be Christians, who while having differences can still be unified in their service to God. Just as a man and woman are different yet join together as one flesh, so to can local churches have differences and still recognize that they are one Body. A house (or a marriage) is not made weaker because there is differences in the various parts but stronger; likewise, a church is not made weaker when it is unified in purpose while respecting the individuality of the various members, but stronger.

One of the doctrines we hold to be essential both teaches and confirms this: by the knowledge that Father, Son, and Spirit are three separate Persons in one Godhead, unified in purpose and love, we have a perfect example of what this looks like.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Any man who brings division to the body of Christ through rejecting scripture is a heretic.  Castor chooses to reject the canon of scripture accepted by the body of Christ down through the centuries.  He picks and chooses what he believes to be scripture.  Why don't you start a funny God joke thread.  As long as you don't use the f-word or d-word with it I'm sure it will be OK.  Your use of the name of God is offensive.

You've already demonstrated that you're not a student of church history.  Many early and even later church fathers have been suspicious of more books than I am.  Many rejected 2 Peter, James, Revelation, Hebrews, and 2 and 3 John. 

 

[Izdaari]

What the hyles is going on here? Sounds like a bunch of schaap to me! 

 

[Izdaari]

Agreed that the canon isn't an essential of the Christian faith in that one may disagree on it without being a heretic. As has been pointed out, many church fathers, including Martin Luther, the man most responsible for starting the whole Protestant thing, had some differences on it.