Who Inherited Hyles' Estate?

[breslau]

I would have expected better from a "Certified Professional Coach" giving a speech... hope she takes better care when providing her services..... "In-person sessions are available in Southern California. Skype or telephone sessions also available. Cost per session/call ranges from $125-$150, paid in advance".

Kickstarter has relaxed the funding rules. So a project to document the coaching service could be started.  Take one for the team.

 

[breslau]

Do we have any examples of Dr. Hyles' stories being false?

Do you honestly believe he was on the top 10 KGB hit list?  He traveled the country without any protection detail.

 

[Techmedic]

Maybe it was this KGB that had a hit on him.....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB-FM

 

[bgwilkinson]

Over 40,000 sermons preached?

What a hoot.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Do we have any examples of Dr. Hyles' stories being false?

Do you honestly believe he was on the top 10 KGB hit list?  He traveled the country without any protection detail.

No!

 

[Bravo]

She must have inherited the "gift" of exaggeration from her dad.  Maybe she is still on the KGB hit list.

Yes I believe you are on to something here.

She most definitely learned the art of embellished exaggeration from her dad.

Over the years his stories had become ever more and more fantastic, more and more unbelievable.

I recommend reading the Hammond Baptist Pulpit series as it is quit reveling of this one characteristic.

He was always the hero, he never lost.

I would not be surprised if she believes some of those things were true when they were in fact false.

She grew up in that environment not knowing for sure what the reality was or was not.

Do we have any examples of Dr. Hyles' stories being false?

I used the term embellish exaggeration because there was always an element of truth in the story.

For example you may have heard the number of about 4,000 in attendance at Miller Road.

Here is a link to the street view pics of Miller Road as it appears today.

Incidentally Miller Road as a Baptist Church is defunct. The Building was sold to a Spanish speaking group and the people merged with Open Door Baptist Church.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8944008,-96.6505037,3a,75y,208.72h,87.71t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sEq5s5h-G0cIBjFAE8EFrZQ!2e0

My parents were home misonaries and we traveled through Dallas on the way to South Texas where they had most of their works.

I have vivid memories of Miller Road from 57, 58 and 59. The buildings were then as they are now.

It takes a great imagination to believe there were over 4,000 people there at one time on a Sunday Morn.

4,000 people would have covered that block.

The auditorium was not packed out any of the times I was there.

We traveled through Dallas about 4 times a year and always stopped to see Bro. Hyles. So I would have been there at least a dozen times between 1956 and 1959.

The auditorium seated about 500 people, and that was packed. There was always room to find a seat when we were there.

See link for PDF of property details from the sale in 2008.

http://www.churchrealty.com/pdf/p712_PACKET%20-%20Miller%20Rd%20Baptist.pdf

Bro. Hyles always was giving his Sunday School attendance and did not include the evening service or the morning service either.

When Churches give their attendances now they add all the numbers from all their services on a week-end (Sat. included) that is not how Bro Hyles counted it.

If I get time I'll tell you about the time we had 32,500 in attendance for Sunday School at FBCH.

Embellish exaggeration, some call it lying, I can not bring myself to call it that, yet. Massive Fudge Factor.

Yep, Linda learned from daddy.

Interesting,... I was on one of those "Trip of a Lifetime" the year Bro Hyles died. Ray Yonung said it was the first year they, Miller Road, had allowed our group to visit (if I remember correctly). He made a point of telling us when we got on the bus that back in the day the auditorium did not have the hallways all around it like it does now. Also stated there were no offices in the back of the auditorium like there were on our visit. After reading your post I can guess as to why he made a point of telling us that. Still, that 4000 mark seems hard to figure for that building. Didn't he say he used people's garages for Sunday School?

 

[Norefund]

That's my take on it also. The discrepancy in the numbers used in that speech (church members, tithers, etc) are also in that same poor choice of words category. Being a personal life coach doesn't imply that you will be comfortable or even competent as a public speaker. In her book, she mentions how afraid she was before and during that speech and how much stage fright she was experiencing. I can imagine. You are giving a speech about your own life that will be widely denounced by thousands of fervent and even rabid followers. Anyone who witnessed the treatment given to George Godfrey after his open letter can understand the threat that speaking out would present.

I have purchased the chapters Linda has written, but there haven't been any new updates in quite some time. I have personal knowledge and can validate the story concerning the time her mother left. I witnessed Jack Hyles retiring to the basement and the living arrangements were explained to me. To decide that you won't read the chapters is, in my opinion, similar to the decisions made in the late 80's and early 90's to not read the Biblical Evangelist story or the Voyle Glover or Vic Nischik books. The presumption of "there must be some personal axe to grind" or "those writers are lying frauds" still persists. I doubt she is getting rich $2 at a time.

It is my understanding that most of the Jack Hyles estate was passed on to the church - although I have no proof or really anything to back it up and I can't even remember where I learned it.

Maybe we should ask Dave. He seems credible.

She also said Jack Hyles owned everything! He did not! And that lie causes me to question other thinks she says in her speech and chapters she has released.  He probably had $ from book sales, speaking engagements and any investments he might have had. How else could a woman who was a housewife all her life retire in Texas and not have to find a job after her husband dies.

That was probably a poor choice of words on her part-she should have said her dad CONTROLLED everything.  Of course he is not going to own the church properties in his name and be subject to federal income taxes-just common sense it would be in the churches name.

 

[kaba]

That's my take on it also. The discrepancy in the numbers used in that speech (church members, tithers, etc) are also in that same poor choice of words category. Being a personal life coach doesn't imply that you will be comfortable or even competent as a public speaker. In her book, she mentions how afraid she was before and during that speech and how much stage fright she was experiencing. I can imagine. You are giving a speech about your own life that will be widely denounced by thousands of fervent and even rabid followers. Anyone who witnessed the treatment given to George Godfrey after his open letter can understand the threat that speaking out would present.

I have purchased the chapters Linda has written, but there haven't been any new updates in quite some time. I have personal knowledge and can validate the story concerning the time her mother left. I witnessed Jack Hyles retiring to the basement and the living arrangements were explained to me. To decide that you won't read the chapters is, in my opinion, similar to the decisions made in the late 80's and early 90's to not read the Biblical Evangelist story or the Voyle Glover or Vic Nischik books. The presumption of "there must be some personal axe to grind" or "those writers are lying frauds" still persists. I doubt she is getting rich $2 at a time.

It is my understanding that most of the Jack Hyles estate was passed on to the church - although I have no proof or really anything to back it up and I can't even remember where I learned it.

Maybe we should ask Dave. He seems credible.

She also said Jack Hyles owned everything! He did not! And that lie causes me to question other thinks she says in her speech and chapters she has released.  He probably had $ from book sales, speaking engagements and any investments he might have had. How else could a woman who was a housewife all her life retire in Texas and not have to find a job after her husband dies.

That was probably a poor choice of words on her part-she should have said her dad CONTROLLED everything.  Of course he is not going to own the church properties in his name and be subject to federal income taxes-just common sense it would be in the churches name.

I choose to not read her chapters, because I really have no interest in what she says. Actually I dont read any books that come out of FBC!

 

[Walt]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

 

[Walt]

She also said Jack Hyles owned everything! He did not! And that lie causes me to question other thinks she says in her speech and chapters she has released.  He probably had $ from book sales, speaking engagements and any investments he might have had. How else could a woman who was a housewife all her life retire in Texas and not have to find a job after her husband dies.

That was probably a poor choice of words on her part-she should have said her dad CONTROLLED everything.  Of course he is not going to own the church properties in his name and be subject to federal income taxes-just common sense it would be in the churches name.

Exactly -- and the church would do whatever he suggested, so it was "like" owning all of that, but he really didn't.

It seems likely that he made millions from the sales of his books.  He talked boasted of all the funds he gave away.

 

[no value]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

I know a Hyles kool-aid drinker who tithes on Christmas and birthday gifts. I asked him how that works. He said whatever gift he receives, if he doesn't know how much it cost he tries to find it or something comparable and then tithes on the amount.

 

[prophet]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

I know a Hyles kool-aid drinker who tithes on Christmas and birthday gifts. I asked him how that works. He said whatever gift he receives, if he doesn't know how much it cost he tries to find it or something comparable and then tithes on the amount.

Bondage.  Never pretty.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=prophet]Bondage.  Never pretty.[/quote]

Not even light bondage?

 

[kaba]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

I know a Hyles kool-aid drinker who tithes on Christmas and birthday gifts. I asked him how that works. He said whatever gift he receives, if he doesn't know how much it cost he tries to find it or something comparable and then tithes on the amount.

Dont see anything wrong in someone giving to the Lord.

 

[no value]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

I know a Hyles kool-aid drinker who tithes on Christmas and birthday gifts. I asked him how that works. He said whatever gift he receives, if he doesn't know how much it cost he tries to find it or something comparable and then tithes on the amount.

Dont see anything wrong in someone giving to the Lord.

Nothing wrong at all with giving to the Lord, friend. My problem is when a prefence becomes a conviction which turns into a requirement for all. Most of the Hyles/Schaap leaders I know want everyone to be like them.

 

[kaba]

True.

 

[RAIDER]

Nothing wrong at all with giving to the Lord, friend. My problem is when a prefence becomes a conviction which turns into a requirement for all. Most of the Hyles/Schaap leaders I know want everyone to be like them.

The "Hyles/Schaap leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Falwell leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Bob Jones leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  My friend, what group are you with these days?

 

[LongGone]

Nothing wrong at all with giving to the Lord, friend. My problem is when a prefence becomes a conviction which turns into a requirement for all. Most of the Hyles/Schaap leaders I know want everyone to be like them.

The "Hyles/Schaap leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Falwell leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Bob Jones leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  My friend, what group are you with these days?

What difference does it make what group he/she belongs to if scripture does not back up what someone is preaching as dogma?

 

[RAIDER]

Nothing wrong at all with giving to the Lord, friend. My problem is when a prefence becomes a conviction which turns into a requirement for all. Most of the Hyles/Schaap leaders I know want everyone to be like them.

The "Hyles/Schaap leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Falwell leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  The "Bob Jones leaders" (whoever they are) are preaching what they believe.  My friend, what group are you with these days?

What difference does it make what group he/she belongs to if scripture does not back up what someone is preaching as dogma?

no value seems to like to stereotype HAC grads into one big pool.  I'm just interested in what group he is running with these days.  THAT is the difference.  Thanks for asking. 

 

[Mathew Ward]

And the widow should tithe in it,  then the kids.  Don't want to steal from God. 

Oh, no -- one doesn't tithe on inheritance...

I know a Hyles kool-aid drinker who tithes on Christmas and birthday gifts. I asked him how that works. He said whatever gift he receives, if he doesn't know how much it cost he tries to find it or something comparable and then tithes on the amount.

Dont see anything wrong in someone giving to the Lord.

Nothing wrong at all with giving to the Lord, friend. My problem is when a prefence becomes a conviction which turns into a requirement for all. Most of the Hyles/Schaap leaders I know want everyone to be like them.

2 Corinthians 9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.