Whats wrong with our christian schools & how can we fix them.

Recovering IFB said:
Sherryh said:
How can we fix our christian schools?

3. If MacDonalds can have dress standards what happened to our schools.........we have to look decent!!My friend when to a basketball game where I taught and she said it looked like a secular school.
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What is this thing that people have with looking right/decent? why is that of any concern with education? And are you so stuck up, thinking your kids are better because the don't go to a, dare I say it?... secular school!?!?!
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[quote author=Recovering IFB]My children go to our local public school,(gasp)!! I am perfectly fine with what the school does with the programs and curriculum. Our children's teachers keep us up to date with emails for concerns or other things regularly.[/quote]

Exactly. I make it a priority to ask each of them what they are learning, particularly in the areas of science and history, but I am more than happy with what they are learning.

Want your kids to swallow naturalistic thinking hook-line-and-sinker? Completely insulate them from it and let them go to a real college. Want your kids to have absolutely no control and go to either extreme regarding Law and Grace? Completely insulate them and provide rules that control every aspect of their lives.

[quote author=Recovering IFB]We teach them at home about Jesus and the Bible. It's up to me and my wife to teach them the other lessons not taught at school.[/quote]

*nods*

[quote author=Recovering IFB]Speaking of our Lord, maybe the problem with alot of Christian schools is that Jesus is left out, you know, too busy worrying about.....standards ::)[/quote]

But...but...but... Jesus was so concerned with the standards.
 
I hear many colleges are not accepting some Christian school diploma's and questioning transcripts. Does anyone personally know someone who was required to make up some homeschool or private school credits before they were accepted to a local or state college?
 
sword said:
I hear many colleges are not accepting some Christian school diploma's and questioning transcripts. Does anyone personally know someone who was required to make up some homeschool or private school credits before they were accepted to a local or state college?
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My wife.

I also know that Ruckman (as much as I recommend running from him) often requires his students to take English/reading classes because the kids that come to his "college" don't have basic skills in these areas.
 
Recovering IFB said:
Sherryh said:
How can we fix our christian schools?

3. If MacDonalds can have dress standards what happened to our schools.........we have to look decent!!My friend when to a basketball game where I taught and she said it looked like a secular school.
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What is this thing that people have with looking right/decent? why is that of any concern with education? And are you so stuck up, thinking your kids are better because the don't go to a, dare I say it?... secular school!?!?!
My children go to our local public school,(gasp)!! I am perfectly fine with what the school does with the programs and curriculum. Our children's teachers keep us up to date with emails for concerns or other things regularly. We teach them at home about Jesus and the Bible. It's up to me and my wife to teach them the other lessons not taught at school.
Speaking of our Lord, maybe the problem with alot of Christian schools is that Jesus is left out, you know, too busy worrying about.....standards ::)
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Reforming, I never went to a Christian School I graduated before Christian Schools were started.........What I'm saying about appearance is "Teachers" need to look professional.....not like they are at a baseball game..........This is my opinion.It's all about a learning environment.. Your dress says alot about who you are whether you like it or not..........I'm not trying to pick a fight here ..........I work in an office and we have to look professional.
 
Sherryh said:
prophet, you are the success story we like to hear..........I hope your kids are as smart as you :)
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Hey! His wife is the smart one!  (just kidding pro)
 
rsc2a said:
prophet said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]I went to HB from 1st to 10th grades.  I then went to Lowell HS. The English teacher asked me to 'lecture the class on grammar rules' because she 'hadn't heard them since h.s.'.  I took third in the regional academic decathalon, held at Morton HS, and at least 1/3 of the dec. was made up of 'science' falsely so called.
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Well, all that "'science' falsely so called" I learned sure helps me do my job.

[quote author=prophet]I enlisted in the USMC, on 27 Dec. 1990, scoring the highest, to date, that ANY ONE had EVER scored at the Chicago MEPPS.
I was accepted to Dartmouth, and West Point, but chose the Corps.
  So, in conclusion, personally, I believed that HB's education was superior.
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But all those public school folks that get accepted into Dartmouth and WP?
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So you make a living because of Evolution?  [/quote]

I make a living because of what I learned about physics and chemistry. Other family members make a living because of what they learned about biology (You know...things like evolution.), just like everyone else in the medical professions.

[quote author=prophet]I don't care what university, or academy you get accepted to, it won't bring you one inch closer to Christ, His Holy Spirit's fullness, or His Will.

Anishinabe
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Then why are you bragging about it? (Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with your gnostic stance.)
[/quote]Chemistry and Physics are true sciences.  Evolution is falsely so called a science.  Chem. and Phys. are true sciences, restricted by governing rules, scientific laws.
Evolution consists only of speculation, and is the product of atheism.
    Biology is a true science.  Evolution and biology are mutually exclusive. 
 
    Giving examples of  the success that HB's education afforded me is not 'bragging'.  I listed accomplishments, and credited someone else (HB) for the results...

Are you telling me that Evolution is Science? 
Anishinabe

 
[quote author=prophet]Chemistry and Physics are true sciences.  Evolution is falsely so called a science.  Chem. and Phys. are true sciences, restricted by governing rules, scientific laws. [/quote]

Yes. No. Yes.

[quote author=prophet]Evolution consists only of speculation....[/quote]


Do you likewise discount the theory of gravity or Newton's laws of motion?

[quote author=prophet]...and is the product of atheism.[/quote]

You might benefit from a history lesson.

[quote author=prophet]Biology is a true science.[/quote]

Yes.

[quote author=prophet]Evolution and biology are mutually exclusive. [/quote]

This statement is absurd.

[quote author=prophet]Are you telling me that Evolution is Science?  [/quote]

Science is the study of the natural world. Ergo, evolution is not science. Evolution is a product of science.
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]Chemistry and Physics are true sciences.  Evolution is falsely so called a science.  Chem. and Phys. are true sciences, restricted by governing rules, scientific laws.
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Yes. No. Yes.

[quote author=prophet]Evolution consists only of speculation....[/quote]


Do you likewise discount the theory of gravity or Newton's laws of motion?

[quote author=prophet]...and is the product of atheism.[/quote]

You might benefit from a history lesson.

[quote author=prophet]Biology is a true science.[/quote]

Yes.

[quote author=prophet]Evolution and biology are mutually exclusive. [/quote]

This statement is absurd.

[quote author=prophet]Are you telling me that Evolution is Science?  [/quote]

Science is the study of the natural world. Ergo, evolution is not science. Evolution is a product of science.
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.  Still bored with you.
 
[quote author=Torrent v.2]Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.  Still bored with you.[/quote]

You know...several studies have linked boredom with a lack of understanding of the topic being discussed....
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=Torrent v.2]Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.  Still bored with you.
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You know...several studies have linked boredom with a lack of understanding of the topic being discussed....
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Whatever.
 
The goal of Christian education should be vastly different than that of the modern public school system. 

The public school system attempts to provide education to help a child move forward in life - education means better jobs.  Thus, the goal is humanist at its core.  Pride of life is the essential motivator.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge."  The goal of Christian education is to help a student see the glory of God through the humanities.  This does not mean that the humanities should be ignored or neglected.  Rather, they should be more deeply discussed as they wondrously display the magnificence of God.  Students are still productive members of society, able to achieve the ability to support their family, able to graduate from college and enter a profession, but have a different world view.

However, our Christian schools have caved to peer pressure.  Sports and other such non-essentials are now controlling the school systems.  American entitlement mentality and pride of life coupled with comparisons have crept in to fundamentally change what the Christian school was originally intended to accomplish.

Now, we have many churches across these states who have a Christian school where little to no education takes place, students are simply buddy-servants to the pastoral staff and games and diversions dominate the day.  The school is simply a "We are not bad like those public school kids" day care to shelter students from the evils of the public school.  Every Christian school touts their kids as the best kids in their community, but, are they?  Or do we simply mean that we are sacrificing to be separated for the sake of being separated and we really have no idea what we are doing here.
 
Did they have Christian schools in the Bible times? Or were children taught at home or what?
 
groupie said:
Did they have Christian schools in the Bible times? Or were children taught at home or what?
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Good Question.  The Bible gives instruction to two groups to teach the child: The parent and the church.  The Christian school was originally formed as a union between these two groups to reinforce the teaching of the home and church. 

In America, our forefathers realized that most parents were too occupied with work to be able to educate their children, so the first governmental schools were established according to the Northwest Ordinance to teach religion (of all things) and other necessary subjects for the furtherance of the children.

I can find no Scriptural basis for government taking the duty of training children.  I find it similar to the welfare issue:  God gave the church the responsibility to care for the fatherless, widow and poor.  Since the church now refuses to do so, the third group God established (government) has assumed the duty.  I think public education is much the same.  The parents abandoned the duty, the church was not able, so government stepped in.  When government began their abandonment of Scripture as a reference for truth, church-schools and home-schools began to populate this land (not, of course, without a fight from government).

A few generations have passed and now many of our Christian schools have forgotten their purpose - Christian, Education.  In its stead, pride of separation, sports or comparisons (our scores vs the public schools) has taken its place (depending on the type of school you attend).  Very rare today is the Christian school which focuses on Christian, Education.
 
Binaca Chugger said:
In America, our forefathers realized that most parents were too occupied with work to be able to educate their children,
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I have a thought on that. The Bible rarely talks about people having jobs. Government jobs, soldiering and slavery are mentioned, but most people were self employed, either being business owners sand merchants or farmers. That is one reason why I do not want to work a job - so I can be home with the family.
 
Binaca Chugger said:
The goal of Christian education should be vastly different than that of the modern public school system. 

The public school system attempts to provide education to help a child move forward in life - education means better jobs.  Thus, the goal is humanist at its core.  Pride of life is the essential motivator.
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False dichotomy.

Binaca Chugger]"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge."  The goal of Christian education is to help a student see the glory of God through the humanities.  This does not mean that the humanities should be ignored or neglected.  Rather said:
groupie said:
Did they have Christian schools in the Bible times? Or were children taught at home or what?
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Good Question.  The Bible gives instruction to two groups to teach the child: The parent and the church.  The Christian school was originally formed as a union between these two groups to reinforce the teaching of the home and church. 

In America, our forefathers realized that most parents were too occupied with work to be able to educate their children, so the first governmental schools were established according to the Northwest Ordinance to teach religion (of all things) and other necessary subjects for the furtherance of the children.

I can find no Scriptural basis for government taking the duty of training children.
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Actually every village of a certain size were required to have a school to teach kids in Israel (post-exile at least). Normally this building doubled as the synagogue. 

[quote author=Binaca Chugger]I find it similar to the welfare issue:  God gave the church the responsibility to care for the fatherless, widow and poor.  Since the church now refuses to do so, the third group God established (government) has assumed the duty.  I think public education is much the same.  The parents abandoned the duty, the church was not able, so government stepped in.  When government began their abandonment of Scripture as a reference for truth, church-schools and home-schools began to populate this land (not, of course, without a fight from government).[/quote]

*cough, cough*

Jubilee. Gleaning laws.

*cough, cough*
 
groupie said:
Binaca Chugger said:
In America, our forefathers realized that most parents were too occupied with work to be able to educate their children,
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I have a thought on that. The Bible rarely talks about people having jobs. Government jobs, soldiering and slavery are mentioned, but most people were self employed, either being business owners sand merchants or farmers. That is one reason why I do not want to work a job - so I can be home with the family.
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That's largely because Israel was an agrarian society (vs an industrial one). And, even in this society,  you still had fishermen, tent makers, artisans, etc.

(As an aside, even with the early public schools, most education still took place at home, as it should.)
 
redeemed said:
Torrent v.2 said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=Torrent v.2]Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.  Still bored with you.
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You know...several studies have linked boredom with a lack of understanding of the topic being discussed....
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Yep, still an arrogant SOB.
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You know, on the old forum, comments like this were tolerated.  Since the new forum has a moderator, I'm thrilled that repeated comments like this won't be tolerated.

Are you by chance an atheist with a bunch of animals?
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Yep
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sword said:
As I travel the country I find Christian Schools loosing students or closing everywhere. I find pastors spending more & more time dealing with school problems and fewer & fewer graduates going on to do anything for the Lord. I also see increased financial problems & weak academic standards.

Are you all seeing the same thing & what can be done?  :-[
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The answer is several fold.

First get rid of all the legalistic rules.
Second, get teachers who have actual training in accredited schools.
Third, divorce them from deacon board rule of churches.
 
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