What say you

Ex-Fundy said:
bgwilkinson said:
For sure there are upper level families where the wives do not always wear dresses.
I guess you might be surprised if you knew who they are.

I am not opposed to them, it  is up to each individual believer as to what they believe it and should not be determined by others.

Sorry bro...but I highly doubt this. Unless you mean to say that these ladies wear pajama pants in the evening. LOL

When it comes to stuff like this you have to be very, very word specific, you would swear he was a politician when it comes to stuff like this. 

Yes, that is what he means.  And JW is KJVO, for the English speaking people and his wife only wears dresses outside of the house.   
 
Ex-Fundy said:
brainisengaged said:
Ex-Fundy said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=brainisengaged]If a legalist is someone who believes that God is made happier by people who adopt certain standards, then I would have to say that Pastor Wilkerson is a legalist. He firmly and wholeheartedly believes in honoring God by the adoption of standards that set the Christian apart from the rest of the world.

God is made happier by people who love others well and trust in Him. Frankly, I think He could care less if a man has long hair or a kid listens to Switchfoot.

And what sets Christians apart from the rest of the world isn't what movies they watch or whether they drink wine; it's their ethic of love, mercy and grace practiced in accordance with both the example of and a dependence on the cross with a vision for a future hope in which God restores all things.

Word up!

rsc2a, I happen to very much agree with you. I was however stating what I believe our current Pastor believes, based on what he says and what he teaches us. I believe he truly feels it honors God for a man to wear slacks and not shorts, for a man to have short hair, for a man to be clean shaven, and for a man to always wear a collared shirt. If he believes in his heart that God is honored in this manner, then who am I to argue? That is his personal conviction. One thing we all really like about him is that he does NOT try to make his personal convictions the Law of the Land. He states what he believes in a humble manner and is always careful to add that others may not believe the same.

Shouldn't we still be given pause when someone has some "personal standards" which find little to NO merit in Scripture?
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I'm sorry but if he is teaching ladies in dresses and not pants and men in pants not shorts from the pulpit not matter how you word it, he's pushing it. 
 
My feelings are that if the worst thing I can say about a pastor is that his personal dress standards are too high, that's really not a bad thing.
 
brainisengaged said:
My feelings are that if the worst thing I can say about a pastor is that his personal dress standards are too high, that's really not a bad thing.

If that's the worst thing, you are in a good place. 
 
For one thing, that was Scripture and Wilkerson is no Paul (who clearly articulated himself and his sentiments make sense).

Secondly, I must have missed the part where Paul mentioned men's and ladies' dress code or anything about collared shirts? If Wilkerson mentions this stuff publicly, he's wasting his time as there's an ABUNDANCE of black and white to preach from Scripture.

Nice try, though.
 
brainisengaged said:
My feelings are that if the worst thing I can say about a pastor is that his personal dress standards are too high, that's really not a bad thing.

Fair enough.

The concept of "dress standard" that goes above and beyond Scripture's teaching on modesty and common decency doesn't really sit well with me but I respect your point.

 
Although if you wanted an argument from scriptures about dress standards, it would be MUCH easier to say one should NOT dress up when meeting with the brethren.
 
rsc2a said:
Although if you wanted an argument from scriptures about dress standards, it would be MUCH easier to say one should NOT dress up when meeting with the brethren.

So true, you make a very good point!
 
brainisengaged said:
bgwilkinson, just to be clear, my husband also teaches "A" Sunday School, and is in building P every Sunday. Those girls standing around in the hallway are not HB girls, nor are they "A" Sunday School girls. They are most welcome no matter what they are wearing, but you and I both know that the moment an HB girl shows up to Sunday School wearing pants, well...I cannot even imagine what would happen. I am certain she would be ushered into a restroom, hidden from anyone's sight, a skirt would be found somewhere and she would be made to put it on. I am also positive that no lady adult Sunday School teacher would show up in pants. So the fact that you saw a lot of visiting girls / bus kids milling around wearing pants before their opening SS assembly is not proof that things are changing at FBC.

Yes I was at a grocery store and saw a very upper level deacon's wife wearing pants and grocery shopping with her husband. I know it happens. She looked very elegant and ladylike, by the way. But you know she would never dare show up to church like that.

Myself, I submit to the Baptist Burka but not because I believe the Bible teaches a woman is supposed to be garbed in an ankle length skirt at all times. I submit because my husband admits the Bible might not teach it but he can't get over his own feeling that ladies must wear skirts at all times. So I do.

Of course I knew those were some that many view with a jaundiced eye. I believe they are ladies and I will treat them with courtesy and deference regardless of the way they are clothed. I completely oppose any type of spiritual caste system. All believers have the right to believe what they will, based on the Bible and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They have the right to dress the way they want to dress.

I come from a family that holds very conservative standards for ladies dress. My mom could not believe how short the dresses were on the ladies at FBCH in the 60s, she thought they were hussys  and looked like harlots if they showed any part of their legs.

My mom had never wore anything but a floor length dress. For my daughters we allowed dresses a little shorter than floor length. Our family standards have always been higher than FBCH. I taught modesty and decorum to my daughters and propriately to my sons.

My daughters can now dress as they want, funny thing is they still dress as modestly as when they lived in my house. Now their husbands are in charge, but it is up to them not the pastor or a spiritual leader how their wives dress.

It is not my business how ladies outside my family dress. They must answer to
God and in every way have the right to decide for themselves how to dress.

I am a convinced Baptist who believes strongly in Soul Liberty.

You are quite correct, it is not an unusual occurrence to see deacons or church staff wives in other than dresses. Do I care? No. It is not my concern.

They can dress as they wish.

If I ever meet you in church I will treat you with kindness and deference even if you're not in a long floor length dress like my mom used to wear. And I won't think you're a hussy.
 
bgwilkinson said:
brainisengaged said:
If I ever meet you in church I will treat you with kindness and deference even if you're not in a long floor length dress like my mom used to wear. And I won't think you're a hussy.

Why thank you! Most generous of you! I only hope I will be able to employ an equal amount of generosity in my thoughts toward you, should we ever meet.
 
16KJV11 said:
Bruh said:
Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Why don't you call him and ask him for yourself?  I'll send you his cell number if you wish!

Wow! Another insider. Impressive, I guess?
 
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