What say you

[kaba]

Enough is enough - move on - don't continue beating a dead horse!

I dont know but it might be still kicking a little bit!!

 

[Mathew Ward]

I think perhaps personal apologies and relational restoration processes need to happen first.

But I won't be dogmatic about it as it is not my circus.

^^^this

 

[Bruh]

I do not attend FBCH, nor do I know the state of the church except for what I get from the FFF and we all know that what we get here is all true. LOL!!

That being said, I believe that many probably would be surprised at the reaction of the membership. I have to believe that there would have to be many that would be shouting, glory hallelujah, FINAL SOMEONE WITH THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SET THE DOCTRINE STRAIGHT IN THIS PLACE!!!

I mean, if the doctrine in screwed, is it really a church?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I do not attend FBCH, nor do I know the state of the church except for what I get from the FFF and we all know that what we get here is all true. LOL!!

That being said, I believe that many probably would be surprised at the reaction of the membership. I have to believe that there would have to be many that would be shouting, glory hallelujah, FINAL SOMEONE WITH THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SET THE DOCTRINE STRAIGHT IN THIS PLACE!!!

I mean, if the doctrine in screwed, is it really a church?

It isn't until people are exposed to and accepting of the truth do they realize they have been previously believing an untruth. Perhaps they just weren't/aren't aware...

 

[brainisengaged]

How do you know it for a fact?

I had a couple of conversation with people back in 2011 who mentioned what EL was saying privately about JS. 

There is a lot more to the story than I want to share on a public forum.

Ooooh, so you know a LOT more stuff but you can't share it. How annoying. Everything about this whole entire situation from day one until now has been very annoying. Annoying that we members of the church were just pawns in some stupid game being played by others. Annoying that no one seems to be able to talk about it / do anything about it / address it / fix it / etc....

Speaking as someone who is here, I have finally grudgingly come to the realization that there are no easy answers. Tom Brennan was right. We can wish Pastor Wilkerson had come in and cleaned house, but that would not have been the most pastoral course of action.

I think, from my pew point of view, he is just trying to start from his own Point A and steer a straight course and build a new church out of fresh converts who each and every one take a discipleship training course once saved...as that base grows and grows it will push the old completely out of the picture and be a right, true, fresh, new reborn church. He really is changing things little by little.

That's what it seems like is happening. And really, honestly -- the other stuff truly is water under the bridge.
What can we really do about it now?

 

[Bruh]

I do not attend FBCH, nor do I know the state of the church except for what I get from the FFF and we all know that what we get here is all true. LOL!!

That being said, I believe that many probably would be surprised at the reaction of the membership. I have to believe that there would have to be many that would be shouting, glory hallelujah, FINAL SOMEONE WITH THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SET THE DOCTRINE STRAIGHT IN THIS PLACE!!!

I mean, if the doctrine in screwed, is it really a church?

It isn't until people are exposed to and accepting of the truth do they realize they have been previously believing an untruth. Perhaps they just weren't/aren't aware...

You are correct, from what I understand, they never had a problem with JH or JS doctrine. 

 

[cast.sheep]

I do not attend FBCH, nor do I know the state of the church except for what I get from the FFF and we all know that what we get here is all true. LOL!!

That being said, I believe that many probably would be surprised at the reaction of the membership. I have to believe that there would have to be many that would be shouting, glory hallelujah, FINAL SOMEONE WITH THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SET THE DOCTRINE STRAIGHT IN THIS PLACE!!!

I mean, if the doctrine in screwed, is it really a church?

It isn't until people are exposed to and accepting of the truth do they realize they have been previously believing an untruth. Perhaps they just weren't/aren't aware...

^ This was us when we were there.  Unaware.  Trusting.  Not anymore.  I no longer trust ANY pastor/preacher.  I only trust the Word of God as applied to me when I read it.  I attend church and I enjoy hearing my pastor speak, but that's all it is.  Sad.  After 40+ years of being "churched", I have head several pastors preach different things from the same passages.  Who do I trust??? Only the Word of God.  It never changes.  And it addresses my issues directly.  I've experienced it. 

 

[Walt]

John Wilkerson is a careful man. He is dealing with a church that is betrayed, schismatic, questioning, and wounded. Wise men help a church to strengthen before they begin to do surgery, and even then they do it sloooooooowly.

As an alumnus of HAC this aggravates me to no end. He should have fired a whole bunch of staff members by now. As a pastor I completely understand it. If he walked in the door and immediately began announcing where he thought JH and JS were wrong he would smash the fragile coalition he yet has into smithereens. And that would not help the church at all...

Well, this makes sense, but it's hard to treat them as new until they reject the old.  I'll give John Wilkerson the benefit of the doubt, but there has to come a day when FBCH is cleansed of the leaders who sat by and let JH and JS take the church to unbiblical positions... and a time when he can stand up and say that JH and JS were wrong.

 

[Norefund]

The FBC way of cleaning house will probably involve a nice retirement, honorarium, and maybe even a trip to Hawaii thrown in for good measure. There will definitely be a standing ovation in the mix.

 

[sword]

The FBC way of cleaning house will probably involve a nice retirement, honorarium, and maybe even a trip to Hawaii thrown in for good measure. There will definitely be a standing ovation in the mix.

After almost 30 years of service this does not seem to be the way Bro. Hooker was handled.

He did not seem to agree with some of JS directions but it looks like his only option was to leave.

Anyone who questioned anything would have been run off.

 

[Norefund]

I was under the impression - probably from posts here as I don't know Hooker at all - that he was an ardent JS supporter and was somehow married into the family.

The FBC way of cleaning house will probably involve a nice retirement, honorarium, and maybe even a trip to Hawaii thrown in for good measure. There will definitely be a standing ovation in the mix.

After almost 30 years of service this does not seem to be the way Bro. Hooker was handled.

He did not seem to agree with some of JS directions but it looks like his only option was to leave.

Anyone who questioned anything would have been run off.

 

[bgwilkinson]

I was under the impression - probably from posts here as I don't know Hooker at all - that he was an ardent JS supporter and was somehow married into the family.

The FBC way of cleaning house will probably involve a nice retirement, honorarium, and maybe even a trip to Hawaii thrown in for good measure. There will definitely be a standing ovation in the mix.

After almost 30 years of service this does not seem to be the way Bro. Hooker was handled.

He did not seem to agree with some of JS directions but it looks like his only option was to leave.

Anyone who questioned anything would have been run off.

You must be thinking about this, "Kenny Schaap,  married Candace Hooker."

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[Ex-Fundy]

Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Absolutely he should. The problem is, he has many of the same I'm sure as he's no doubt thoroughly a legalist himself. If he had any sense, he'd do the obvious though and publicly address the absolute evil of Hyles's regime and Schaap's as well.

 

[Ex-Fundy]

Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Unless you are a member of FBCH, who cares???  Doing so or not has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Maybe not, but when one still has friends and/or family there, it is tough to get away from the conversation completely. I find it to be relevant question myself. That stated, I'd agree that it has little bearing on me directly as I've abandoned everything to do with the manmade idolatrous religion that is cultural fundamentalism. 

 

[Ex-Fundy]

John Wilkerson is a careful man. He is dealing with a church that is betrayed, schismatic, questioning, and wounded. Wise men help a church to strengthen before they begin to do surgery, and even then they do it sloooooooowly.

As an alumnus of HAC this aggravates me to no end. He should have fired a whole bunch of staff members by now. As a pastor I completely understand it. If he walked in the door and immediately began announcing where he thought JH and JS were wrong he would smash the fragile coalition he yet has into smithereens. And that would not help the church at all...

How would it NOT help to call out the rank idolatry and those who are therefore goats and not sheep? It's better to coddle these people and continue to heap praise upon a manipulative sociopath like Hyles? Unreal.

I say it would be better to split the church and rid it of those who are just there for the personalities anyway.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I say it would be better to split the church and rid it of those who are just there for the personalities anyway.

It seems the Pope is using this method in his beginning papal years which is causing ripples within the Catholic Church...

 

[16KJV11]

Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Why don't you call him and ask him for yourself?  I'll send you his cell number if you wish!

 

[Norefund]

Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Unless you are a member of FBCH, who cares???  Doing so or not has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Maybe not, but when one still has friends and/or family there, it is tough to get away from the conversation completely. I find it to be relevant question myself. That stated, I'd agree that it has little bearing on me directly as I've abandoned everything to do with the manmade idolatrous religion that is cultural fundamentalism. 

With the possible exception of extreme KJVOnlyism, which, as far as I know, is only present in fundamentalism.

 

[16KJV11]

Should John Wilkerson address the doctrinal erros of the last two pastors.

If you think he should, why? And when should he address this? 

If you think he shouldn't, why?

Unless you are a member of FBCH, who cares???  Doing so or not has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Maybe not, but when one still has friends and/or family there, it is tough to get away from the conversation completely. I find it to be relevant question myself. That stated, I'd agree that it has little bearing on me directly as I've abandoned everything to do with the manmade idolatrous religion that is cultural fundamentalism. 

With the possible exception of extreme KJVOnlyism, which, as far as I know, is only present in fundamentalism.

Not true...I have a tract which espouses and defends KJVO which was written by a devout Southern Baptist.
Also, my wife's uncle who pastors in Tennessee is devote KJVO and he pastors a Southern Baptist Church.
If you like, I'll send you the tract and my wife's uncle's name via personal message.

 

[Norefund]

Not necessary. I qualified my statement with "as far as I know." Perhaps I should have said the great majority of KJVO are IFB?