What is the "Grace life?"

[16KJV11]

Saw this mentioned on another thread.
I have an understanding of it, of what I think the Scripture teaches, but I want to hear what y'all can show me from Scripture.

 

[RAIDER]

Saw this mentioned on another thread.
I have an understanding of it, of what I think the Scripture teaches, but I want to hear what y'all can show me from Scripture.

Lower dress and music standards. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Can't speak for others though. Here is my take:

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye...So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[Bruh]

Galatians 2:11-15
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world,
13 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,
15 These things speak and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

 

[RAIDER]

Galatians 2:11-15
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world,
13 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,
15 These things speak and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

So I can't lower my dress and music standards? 

 

[Exell]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

 

[16KJV11]

Galatians 2:11-15
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world,
13 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,
15 These things speak and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

I get what you are saying, but does this jibe with what Exell said in another thread?

Absolutely, it could have and did harm some.

I fell in love with a man and the atmosphere he created. That preaching tape was anything but sound biblical exposition. By God's grace that led me to a love for true preaching and biblical studies, but for many it didn't, and they are gone.

I also remember sitting in the Dean of Men's office, he was my ministry leader at the time. We were simply shooting the bull, and I mentioned a bible verse I had read that morning in my devotions, Lamentations 5:21 "Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned". I casually remarked something to the effect of, "Wouldn't be nice if the Lord would just turn our hearts to him, to take over our life and just live through us".
This is simple, basic Christianity. This is grace. This is the Christ life. And yet as a pastors son and bible college student, the idea was completely foreign to me. I was a defeated, frustrated Christian. What the Dean of Men said to me certainly didn't help, and it revealed he didn't get it either. He told me I was looking for 'a cop out', that I didn't want to discipline myself, that I didn't want to learn self control.

I walked out of that office with a faulty view of God, Christ, and grace and into a spiritual dark hole from which it took years to come out.

Btw, I now know of  grace, a wonderful divine cop out, and I'm strong in the Lord and in the power of His might...not my self discipline.

So yes, it did hurt many....namely the defeated, unhappy frustrated masses that still sit under the system.

 

[RAIDER]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

 

[Exell]

This is a lesson I taught a few weeks ago.

Romans 1-3 teaches us the complete, timeless and universal unrighteousness of man, for which the wrath of God is upon him.

Chp.1 The unrighteousness of the gentile world. This is not a snapshot of one particular portion of society or one particular sin, it is the universal condition of every man.

Chp.2 The unrighteousness of the pious Jew, who holds the law and judges the gentile.

Chp.3 We conclude all are unrighteous, there is no difference.

Mans greatest need is righteousness.  Man, to fill his need usually turns to law through the avenue of works that he might obtain righteousness. What he ends up with,is his own righteousness, that still falls short of Gods glory.
In order that we might have peace with God, Christ has made available to us, his righteousness, given to us by grace through the avenue of faith.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Law through works produces mans righteousness, which fuels pride and brings me glory.
Grace through faith acquires Christ righteousness which springs from humility and brings God glory.

Nearly all agree with the above for salvation, except they do not allow that to carry over into sanctification.
After salvation they teach righteousness as being our own, acquired through law, self effort, self discipline, schedule ,and standards. It produces a defeated, frustrated powerless, yet proud Christian.

The Christian life remains the same, humility that leads to faith, faith acquires grace, grace brings God glory. The means of salvation and sanctification are the same.

"As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:" Colossians 2:6

" Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Galatians 3:3

And I realize this post was entirely to long....

 

[rsc2a]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

 

[Exell]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Yes, the IFB law, or the moralistic American code...whatever you want to call it. Anything that emphasizes self,(as in self effort, self striving, self discipline) as a means of righteousness to make themselves acceptable to God.

 

[RAIDER]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

For those looking to be stupid I should have said "the OT law".

 

[Bruh]

Galatians 2:11-15
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world,
13 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,
15 These things speak and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

I get what you are saying, but does this jibe with what Exell said in another thread?

Absolutely, it could have and did harm some.

I fell in love with a man and the atmosphere he created. That preaching tape was anything but sound biblical exposition. By God's grace that led me to a love for true preaching and biblical studies, but for many it didn't, and they are gone.

I also remember sitting in the Dean of Men's office, he was my ministry leader at the time. We were simply shooting the bull, and I mentioned a bible verse I had read that morning in my devotions, Lamentations 5:21 "Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned". I casually remarked something to the effect of, "Wouldn't be nice if the Lord would just turn our hearts to him, to take over our life and just live through us".
This is simple, basic Christianity. This is grace. This is the Christ life. And yet as a pastors son and bible college student, the idea was completely foreign to me. I was a defeated, frustrated Christian. What the Dean of Men said to me certainly didn't help, and it revealed he didn't get it either. He told me I was looking for 'a cop out', that I didn't want to discipline myself, that I didn't want to learn self control.

I walked out of that office with a faulty view of God, Christ, and grace and into a spiritual dark hole from which it took years to come out.

Btw, I now know of  grace, a wonderful divine cop out, and I'm strong in the Lord and in the power of His might...not my self discipline.

So yes, it did hurt many....namely the defeated, unhappy frustrated masses that still sit under the system.

No.

 

[Bruh]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

Really, who?

 

[16KJV11]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Yes, the IFB law, or the moralistic American code...whatever you want to call it. Anything that emphasizes self,(as in self effort, self striving, self discipline) as a means of righteousness to make themselves acceptable to God.

Are you saying that self discipline has no part in the success of the Christian life?
Now, I understand that everything we do we do by the grace of God, with His power and strength.

 

[Bruh]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

For those looking to be stupid I should have said "the OT law".

I have honestly never seen a animal sacrifice.

 

[RAIDER]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Yes, the IFB law, or the moralistic American code...whatever you want to call it. Anything that emphasizes self,(as in self effort, self striving, self discipline) as a means of righteousness to make themselves acceptable to God.

Agreed.  I have Biblical standards and convictions to show my love to God, not to be accepted by Him.  I try to follow God's Word in my treatment of people, but not to be accepted by Him.  "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

 

[16KJV11]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

For those looking to be stupid I should have said "the OT law".

I have honestly never seen a animal sacrifice.

If you contact Mike Warnke, he can probably direct you to one! ???

 

[RAIDER]

Romans 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

It is a life lived by faith, as opposed to law, that opens up the Grace of Christ.

Do you know anyone who is trying to follow the law?

Loads of people.

For those looking to be stupid I should have said "the OT law".

I have honestly never seen a animal sacrifice.

Exactly!  Comparing OT law to someone who practices Biblical standards and convictions is not accurate.

 

[rsc2a]

See also "traditions of men"