What Christians should know about Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism

[T-Bone]

The real Calvinist on this forum would laugh in your face that you would call me a Calvinist.  BTW...I didn't know I was speaking to God...or at least someone who thinks they are god...don't change what I wrote...are you self existing, are you your own source of life...you do because you make it so???  I guess you have a problem with what Paul wrote about this?  Move away from the psycho mushrooms!

Don't lie and accuse me of changing your words when I used your exact quote.  One of the things you asked me if I can do on my own initiative is move, and that is the only one I responded to.  If you want to make jokes and say my article was stupid, that's fine, but now you've accused me of dishonesty and that's personal.

Now don't start crying...in context (which I doubt you comprehend...but I will try) I quoted a portion of Paul's words where he said in the Lord..." we live and move and have our being".  If you say you move in your own initiative apart from Him being the first mover, you not only disagree with me, but with the Scripture.  There is no lie in what I said in any post...so try not to go down that road or the victim road and make everything personal.  If you don't believe God is the first mover in everything then your god is a different God than in the Scriptures...and I would advise you to get saved!

 

[Nameless]

Suggest all you want...agreeing with you on anything is hardly a basis for judging someone's salvation... and if you want to just deal with other's perspectives as to how one relates on a fighting forum...you better look in the mirror next time you are concerned with whether someone is saved!

I would never be so arrogant as to guess the state of another person's heart or soul or try to judge if they are "saved" or not, t-bone. 

As to how I relate on this forum, I've shown the same amount of respect to everyone on here that they've shown to me.  But seriously, t-bone, if you don't like something I've said, shouldn't you take it up with God?  According to you, He's the one who first movered all of it. 

 

[Nameless]

Now don't start crying...in context (which I doubt you comprehend...but I will try) I quoted a portion of Paul's words where he said in the Lord..." we live and move and have our being".  If you say you move in your own initiative apart from Him being the first mover, you not only disagree with me, but with the Scripture.  There is no lie in what I said in any post...so try not to go down that road or the victim road and make everything personal.  If you don't believe God is the first mover in everything then your god is a different God than in the Scriptures...and I would advise you to get saved!

Your first mistake here (or God's, since He's the first mover) was to assume that I believe the Bible is the word of God and that (because they are included in the Bible) Paul's personal letters are the word of God. 

And again, just because I don't believe God is the first mover in everything like you believe, doesn't mean I don't have a very close relationship with God or that I'm not "saved".  Who exactly do you think you are, determining who's right and who's wrong on all matters and beyond that who's "saved" and who's not?

 

[T-Bone]

Suggest all you want...agreeing with you on anything is hardly a basis for judging someone's salvation... and if you want to just deal with other's perspectives as to how one relates on a fighting forum...you better look in the mirror next time you are concerned with whether someone is saved!

I would never be so arrogant as to guess the state of another person's heart or soul or try to judge if they are "saved" or not, t-bone. 

As to how I relate on this forum, I've shown the same amount of respect to everyone on here that they've shown to me.  But seriously, t-bone, if you don't like something I've said, shouldn't you take it up with God?  According to you, He's the one who first movered all of it.

Thanks for your "christian" example.  And thanks for you lack of comprehension.  And you will have to forgive me if I misunderstood your incoherent statement...

The way I understand it, Christianity is believing in Jesus as the son of God and following (or attempting to follow) His teachings and actions.  I believe that is a lifestyle, and thus I would suggest that those people who are claiming to act in His name (like T-Bone and reformed guy) without actually following Him are Christians.  I'd like to hear your take on it. 

I doubt you have the intellectual capacity to understand the statement of God being the first mover, since in your ignorance you believe you are...so I must continue to laugh at your inanity.

 

[Nameless]

There is no lie in what I said in any post...so try not to go down that road or the victim road and make everything personal.

That's the second lie you've told in our discussion.  The first was when you accused me of changing your words.  You're a liar, t-bone.

 

[T-Bone]

Now don't start crying...in context (which I doubt you comprehend...but I will try) I quoted a portion of Paul's words where he said in the Lord..." we live and move and have our being".  If you say you move in your own initiative apart from Him being the first mover, you not only disagree with me, but with the Scripture.  There is no lie in what I said in any post...so try not to go down that road or the victim road and make everything personal.  If you don't believe God is the first mover in everything then your god is a different God than in the Scriptures...and I would advise you to get saved!

Your first mistake here (or God's, since He's the first mover) was to assume that I believe the Bible is the word of God and that (because they are included in the Bible) Paul's personal letters are the word of God. 

And again, just because I don't believe God is the first mover in everything like you believe, doesn't mean I don't have a very close relationship with God or that I'm not "saved".  Who exactly do you think you are, determining who's right and who's wrong on all matters and beyond that who's "saved" and who's not?

Well that explains a lot...please forgive me as you have stated that you don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God...you deny the Scripture...you deny the God revealed in the Word...so according the the very Word you deny you are not saved...because to answer your question it is the Word that determines who is "saved" and who's not.

Knowing now that you are not a believer I will have to approach my relating to you in another way.

 

[Nameless]

Thanks for your "christian" example.  And thanks for you lack of comprehension.  And you will have to forgive me if I misunderstood your incoherent statement...

The way I understand it, Christianity is believing in Jesus as the son of God and following (or attempting to follow) His teachings and actions.  I believe that is a lifestyle, and thus I would suggest that those people who are claiming to act in His name (like T-Bone and reformed guy) without actually following Him are Christians.  I'd like to hear your take on it. 

Interesting how you accuse me of having a "lack of comprehension" right before you admit to not comprehending one of my statements. 

And that statement was completely coherent, btw.  Perhaps I should have put "that" in italics in the phrase "that is a lifestyle", but it's really fine the way it is.  The fact that you can't understand that says more about you than it does about me. 

 

[Nameless]

Well that explains a lot...please forgive me as you have stated that you don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God...you deny the Scripture...you deny the God revealed in the Word...so according the the very Word you deny you are not saved...because to answer your question it is the Word that determines who is "saved" and who's not.

Knowing now that you are not a believer I will have to approach my relating to you in another way.

I don't know where you would come off assuming any of the things about me that you did anyway.  It's really unbelievable how arrogant you are.  Let's suppose that I'm not "saved" (which I very well may not be as you've stated enough times) and I came to this forum in search of something to believe in.  Do you think your response to me would have helped anything?  I wonder how many times that's happened before. 

 

[Reformed Guy]

1. Christianity is a horrible form of government....

<BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...>

Does showing this much ignorance come from a natural talent, or is it something that must be cultivated?

Are you suggesting that there have never been Christian governments or that Christian governments are not oppressive?  Either way, your response is ignorance incarnate not just in the fact that you're wrong on both counts, but you weren't even clear about what you were talking about.

Coming from a moron gushing about Marxism.  Priceless! 

You just can't buy that kind of stupid.

 

[Nameless]

Well that explains a lot...please forgive me as you have stated that you don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God...you deny the Scripture...you deny the God revealed in the Word...so according the the very Word you deny you are not saved...because to answer your question it is the Word that determines who is "saved" and who's not.

Knowing now that you are not a believer I will have to approach my relating to you in another way.

Listen, T-Bone, the Bible doesn't even claim to be the word of God.  There are four times that phrase is used in the Old Testament before Paul was even born (I Sam. 9:27, I Kings 12:22, I Chron. 17:3, Prov. 30:5) and in not one of those instances is it refering to scripture.

The phrase is used 44 times in the New Testament and I'm not going to go through each one to prove my point, but suffice it to say they are all refering to either Jesus Christ and His words or the actual words of God Himself.  If they are ever used in reference to scripture, it is in regards to prophesies that came directly from God to his prophet (like Isaiah or Jeremiah). 

Some verses are explicit in describing the Word of God as something other than the Bible. 
Take Hebrews 11:3 for example - the worlds were not framed by the Bible.  They were framed by God's Word.  II Peter 3:5 describes the creation by the Word of God as well. 

I John 2:14 suggests that the Word of God abides in believers.  Books can't abide in a person, but God's Word can. 

Revelation 20:4 describes a rider on a white horse and the rider's name is the Word of God.  Do you really think that was the Bible? 

 

[Izdaari]

FWIW, I am monergistic, though in the Lutheran way rather than the Calvinist way.

And I do believe the Bible is the word of God, though not the words of God (He did not dictate it, nor is any translation perfect), or the Word of God (the Word is Jesus, not the Bible).

 

[T-Bone]

There is no lie in what I said in any post...so try not to go down that road or the victim road and make everything personal.

That's the second lie you've told in our discussion.  The first was when you accused me of changing your words.  You're a liar, t-bone.

Not really surprised you would think I would be a "liar"...you have demonstrated you don't know the truth about the Scripture, how can you know the truth about anything else.

 

[Nameless]

Coming from a moron gushing about Marxism.  Priceless! 

You just can't buy that kind of stupid.

When did I gush about Marxism?  There's a serious comprehension failure going around on this board.  And yet another liar as well.

Geeze, I leave the forum for a couple years and come back to find it overrun by primates and needle junkies. 

 

[T-Bone]

Well that explains a lot...please forgive me as you have stated that you don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God...you deny the Scripture...you deny the God revealed in the Word...so according the the very Word you deny you are not saved...because to answer your question it is the Word that determines who is "saved" and who's not.

Knowing now that you are not a believer I will have to approach my relating to you in another way.

I don't know where you would come off assuming any of the things about me that you did anyway.  It's really unbelievable how arrogant you are.  Let's suppose that I'm not "saved" (which I very well may not be as you've stated enough times) and I came to this forum in search of something to believe in.  Do you think your response to me would have helped anything?  I wonder how many times that's happened before.

Keep playing the victim...you clearly came here to set us Christian's right about what we should know about Socialism, Communism & Capitalism, just like your title says...you are not here to receive anything but to try to spread your tripe.  The day you want to genuinely want to know what the Scripture says to be the truth there are many who would be glad to share that with you...including myself.

 

[T-Bone]

Well that explains a lot...please forgive me as you have stated that you don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God...you deny the Scripture...you deny the God revealed in the Word...so according the the very Word you deny you are not saved...because to answer your question it is the Word that determines who is "saved" and who's not.

Knowing now that you are not a believer I will have to approach my relating to you in another way.

Listen, T-Bone, the Bible doesn't even claim to be the word of God.  There are four times that phrase is used in the Old Testament before Paul was even born (I Sam. 9:27, I Kings 12:22, I Chron. 17:3, Prov. 30:5) and in not one of those instances is it refering to scripture.

The phrase is used 44 times in the New Testament and I'm not going to go through each one to prove my point, but suffice it to say they are all refering to either Jesus Christ and His words or the actual words of God Himself.  If they are ever used in reference to scripture, it is in regards to prophesies that came directly from God to his prophet (like Isaiah or Jeremiah). 

Some verses are explicit in describing the Word of God as something other than the Bible. 
Take Hebrews 11:3 for example - the worlds were not framed by the Bible.  They were framed by God's Word.  II Peter 3:5 describes the creation by the Word of God as well. 

I John 2:14 suggests that the Word of God abides in believers.  Books can't abide in a person, but God's Word can. 

Revelation 20:4 describes a rider on a white horse and the rider's name is the Word of God.  Do you really think that was the Bible?

Wrong...2 Timothy 3: 16-17 is a declarative statement along with others that Scripture comes from God.  You can try to parse things to sooth your unbelieving conscience...doesn't change the facts!

 

[Nameless]

Not really surprised you would think I would be a "liar"...you have demonstrated you don't know the truth about the Scripture, how can you know the truth about anything else.

I've refrained from calling you ignorant until now, T-bone, because I haven't really believed it to be the case, but you're starting to convince me.  You can't really believe that just because someone doesn't know the truth about the scripture that they can't know the truth about anything else.  That's utterly ridiculous. 

Ignorance and arrogance are two things that should never be combined, but around here that's apparently the norm nowdays. 

 

[T-Bone]

Coming from a moron gushing about Marxism.  Priceless! 

You just can't buy that kind of stupid.

When did I gush about Marxism?  There's a serious comprehension failure going around on this board.  And yet another liar as well.

Geeze, I leave the forum for a couple years and come back to find it overrun by primates and needle junkies.

Now who is the liar...this forum is not a couple of years old!  And before you warp your meaning again to suit your own purposes this is the forum you are on now and you have never been on this a couple of years ago...see how it works?

 

[T-Bone]

Not really surprised you would think I would be a "liar"...you have demonstrated you don't know the truth about the Scripture, how can you know the truth about anything else.

I've refrained from calling you ignorant until now, T-bone, because I haven't really believed it to be the case, but you're starting to convince me.  You can't really believe that just because someone doesn't know the truth about the scripture that they can't know the truth about anything else.  That's utterly ridiculous. 

Ignorance and arrogance are two things that should never be combined, but around here that's apparently the norm nowdays.

That ought to be your descriptive signature line.  Now master of deceit let's see if you hold to your words exactly as you have just done to mine.

 

[Nameless]

Wrong...2 Timothy 3: 16-17 is a declarative statement along with others that Scripture comes from God.  You can try to parse things to sooth your unbelieving conscience...doesn't change the facts!

Do you honestly think 2 Timothy 3:16-17 was referring to 2 Timothy?  What about the Apocolypse of John (otherwise know as the Revelations) which wasn't even written yet?  What about the books of I Samuel through Nehemiah that no one knows who the authors were? 

 

[T-Bone]

Wrong...2 Timothy 3: 16-17 is a declarative statement along with others that Scripture comes from God.  You can try to parse things to sooth your unbelieving conscience...doesn't change the facts!

Do you honestly think 2 Timothy 3:16-17 was referring to 2 Timothy?  What about the Apocolypse of John (otherwise know as the Revelations) which wasn't even written yet?  What about the books of I Samuel through Nehemiah that no one knows who the authors were?

Yes, yes, yes, & yes!  Next question.