The Truth About Jack Hyles

[RAIDER]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Like I said in a previous post, he has a few (VERY few) good points to his video.  His stupidity drowns out the good points.

I'm not disputing that; my point was directed at those who try to excuse some of the statements by saying "it was a special occasion" or "they were merely joking".

There were more than a few times that he showed a clip where it was joking.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

 

[RAIDER]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

It's the typical "throw out the baby with the bath water" mentality.  Because HAC/FBCH went overboard on honoring men, the "haters" want us to believe that it is all wrong.

 

[prophet]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

 

[prophet]

I just watched Part 3.  This dude reaches a new level of stupid.  I don't think he has a sense of humor.  Talk about twisting video clips.

Th

 

[prophet]

By the time I made it to video 3, I was just jumping past it... This guy while he has some valid points... Easiest way to say it is he is a jackass.

Was I the only one that was laughing at all of the "Country living" books behind him

Cc d

 

[prophet]

By the time I made it to video 3, I was just jumping past it... This guy while he has some valid points... Easiest way to say it is he is a jackass.

Was I the only one that was laughing at all of the "Country living" books behind him

Ccx

 

[Walt]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

It's the typical "throw out the baby with the bath water" mentality.  Because HAC/FBCH went overboard on honoring men, the "haters" want us to believe that it is all wrong.

Yes, it is a classic case of over-correction.

But honoring an elder should never be so much honor that God Himself is left out.  In *ALL* things, He should have the preeminence.

 

[prophet]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

Or right on the money, since the context is : treatment of the multiple elders at Ephesus.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

Or right on the money, since the context is : treatment of the multiple elders at Ephesus.

The context as a whole...a Pastoral Epistle..is about Elders, Pastors...instruction to Pastors and some instruction about Pastors.
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." The passage clearly gives instruction to the Pastor about not showing partiality in the process of fulfilling his ministry.
Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Walt was right....Yes, it is a classic case of over-correction.

(Don't read Hebrews 13:7 and 17!)

 

[prophet]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

Or right on the money, since the context is : treatment of the multiple elders at Ephesus.

The context as a whole...a Pastoral Epistle..is about Elders, Pastors...instruction to Pastors and some instruction about Pastors.
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." The passage clearly gives instruction to the Pastor about not showing partiality in the process of fulfilling his ministry.
Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Walt was right....Yes, it is a classic case of over-correction.

(Don't read Hebrews 13:7 and 17!)

"Pastoral Epistle" because you said so.

The word "pastor" doesn't appear in 2 Tims or a Titus, but you'll peg them with that name, as if doctrine is now built on irrelevant nicknames.

 

[prophet]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

Or right on the money, since the context is : treatment of the multiple elders at Ephesus.

The context as a whole...a Pastoral Epistle..is about Elders, Pastors...instruction to Pastors and some instruction about Pastors.
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." The passage clearly gives instruction to the Pastor about not showing partiality in the process of fulfilling his ministry.
Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Walt was right....Yes, it is a classic case of over-correction.

(Don't read Hebrews 13:7 and 17!)

The context is clearly treatment of elders, by elders.

1Ti 5:1
1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

To Timothy,  on treatment of the other elders at Ephesus.

Act 20:17
17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
Act 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Ti 4:14
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

1Ti 5:17-22
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins:keep thyself pure.

Context: treatment of the fellow presbytery at Ephesus.

Cant see that? Get an honest job.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I don't believe what this guy said either - he seemed to be trying too hard to make his point.

However...

As Christians, we are exhorted to do whatever we do to the glory of God.  It is very bad practice for church leaders to get up and exalt one another to the skies, and never mention God.  It is God who deserves the glory and honor, not the pastor or staff member, even on special occasion.

Don't forget Rom. 13.

The gov. is due honor as well.

That'll win me some friends.

Don't forget 1 Tim 5:17
Elders are due honor...double honor! 

Yes, those who *_________*.

I did notice, also, that the word is plural, but you've surely got your excuses for ignoring that lined up.

Amazingly, I find some strong language a few verses later:

Something to the effect of "As God and all the Angels are my witness, don't you ever appoint one elder over the others".

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers.

Our congregation has six Pastors.

You sure play fast and loose with the text.....if you're speaking about Timothy not showing favoritism.

Unfortunately, the ostrich was created with no sense, so we'll look for the neck and feathers. 

Or right on the money, since the context is : treatment of the multiple elders at Ephesus.

The context as a whole...a Pastoral Epistle..is about Elders, Pastors...instruction to Pastors and some instruction about Pastors.
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality." The passage clearly gives instruction to the Pastor about not showing partiality in the process of fulfilling his ministry.
Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Walt was right....Yes, it is a classic case of over-correction.

(Don't read Hebrews 13:7 and 17!)

The context is clearly treatment of elders, by elders.

1Ti 5:1
1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

To Timothy,  on treatment of the other elders at Ephesus.

Act 20:17
17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
Act 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Ti 4:14
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

1Ti 5:17-22
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins:keep thyself pure.

Context: treatment of the fellow presbytery at Ephesus.

Cant see that? Get an honest job.

The reason you can't see the obvious is probably because of the way your body is twisted using your contortion method of hermeneutics.
I'm sorry you have a problem with the position of a Pastor...but the Bible says what at says....

 

[rsc2a]

Pastor is not a position.  It is a gift.