The NEGATIVE that I have turned into positive

[kaba]

I have learned in a lot of HAC relationships that loyalty to a man was more important than living by obedience to the Scriptures.

I am a grad. I went to college to learn more about studying the Scriptures, communicating it to others so that I could live all out for Jesus & to learn how to motivate others to do so. I did not go to follow a man or a movement. Some of that rubs off on you while there & if you follow that up by working for a HACker.

I have endeavored to think for myself in making decisions based on Scripture.
I have endeavored to be a friend to my friends but not based on their loyalty JH or not.
I have endeavored to point others to God through the teachings of the Scriptures & to be loyal only to HIM.

I totally agree with what you just said, and I felt the same way when I went to college. I was a young 17 year old soon to be 18 year old. Had gone to church my whole life, was saved at 11, youngest of 7, went to a public school but was sheltered. My parents were Good, Godly, hardworking, loving parents. I went to HAC because I loved the Lord and wanted to get a Christian education. It was exciting and at first I loved it. But I soon saw the double standards, but by the time I figured it out, I had been brow beaten into thinking if I QUIT I would not be in God's will. I stuck it out, married someone from HAC and for the first 17 years of our marriage, worked side by side with him in different churches. But slowly and through the different events that happened at HAC our eyes were opened. I am still IFB, my Pastor is an HAC Grad, we raised our children to love the Lord. But I am still trying to find the positive that I have learned from the negative!

 

[prophet]

There were times that a verse of Scripture was taken out of context to preach a sermon or teach a Bible study.  Because of this, I do my best to make sure I look at a verse in context before teaching.

Amen to this.  Funny what you can be grateful for.

Anishinaabe

 

[RAIDER]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

 

 

[kaba]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

Previous church I attended (not FBCH), I got out of my car in the parking lot getting ready to teach my SS class. My pastor at the time came out to meet me. He said, "Dan, you haven't had a date with your wife in a while. Take her out for breakfast and I will teach your SS class for you today." I will never forget that lesson by being on the receiving end of grace.

 

[kaba]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

Previous church I attended (not FBCH), I got out of my car in the parking lot getting ready to teach my SS class. My pastor at the time came out to meet me. He said, "Dan, you haven't had a date with your wife in a while. Take her out for breakfast and I will teach your SS class for you today." I will never forget that lesson by being on the receiving end of grace.

I enjoyed all that I did for the Lord on Sunday, but you know, I guess what I have learned in the years, that there is a balance, and also my family is very important to me. That was a wise Pastor.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

Stinkin' Lib'ral

 

[fishinnut]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

Previous church I attended (not FBCH), I got out of my car in the parking lot getting ready to teach my SS class. My pastor at the time came out to meet me. He said, "Dan, you haven't had a date with your wife in a while. Take her out for breakfast and I will teach your SS class for you today." I will never forget that lesson by being on the receiving end of grace.

Wow I love it.

 

[johntamminga]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

Previous church I attended (not FBCH), I got out of my car in the parking lot getting ready to teach my SS class. My pastor at the time came out to meet me. He said, "Dan, you haven't had a date with your wife in a while. Take her out for breakfast and I will teach your SS class for you today." I will never forget that lesson by being on the receiving end of grace.

Wow I love it.

Any chance that he thought you might be getting disgruntled or irritated with how he was treating you like a slave? Could he have been tossing you a crumb to get you back on the worship train? I hope not--I don't know the pastor of whom you speak, so I truly am just asking the question. I have seen this happen too many times. Toss 'em just enough crumbs to keep 'em happy. Been on the receiving end of that.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

At FBCH/HAC many people were expected to spend all day Saturday and Sunday in ministry activities.  While this may sound spiritual in theory, it many times is just the opposite.  I watched married men go from sunup to sundown on both Saturday and Sunday.

I have a close friend who attended Bob Gray's college.  He was a married man with 3 kids.  He was put on a bus route hours away from Longview.  This type of thing was expected from any college student who wanted to become anything for God.  Of course, he also worked a job to pay for college.

I have learned to respect a family man's time.  I have learned to appreciate laymen who take time to serve in different areas of ministry.  I have learned that a family needs time together during the weekend.

The first few churches we served at hubby and I were very busy on Sundays. The last church where he was Pastor, my children and I visted the van route on Sat, Sun morning they came with me to pick up, got to church did Sunday school, Did nursery, drove bus kids home after church, would get home make dinner and then crash. Sunday night I did nursery. When we moved to Florida I was relieved to come home after church and just relax with my children. I no longer like to be busy on Sunday unless I am with my kids.

Previous church I attended (not FBCH), I got out of my car in the parking lot getting ready to teach my SS class. My pastor at the time came out to meet me. He said, "Dan, you haven't had a date with your wife in a while. Take her out for breakfast and I will teach your SS class for you today." I will never forget that lesson by being on the receiving end of grace.

Wow I love it.

Any chance that he thought you might be getting disgruntled or irritated with how he was treating you like a slave? Could he have been tossing you a crumb to get you back on the worship train? I hope not--I don't know the pastor of whom you speak, so I truly am just asking the question. I have seen this happen too many times. Toss 'em just enough crumbs to keep 'em happy. Been on the receiving end of that.

Good questions, but no. FYI, this was at an evangelical, non-denom church and not IFB. Different mindset altogether.

FTR, this was the same pastor who when he found out my lawn mower broke down, came out to my yard and mowed my lawn while it was in the shop. The man honestly cared for the people he shepherded. Very humble man.

In addition, he didn't "run" the church as it was elder-led. The mindset of the elder board was to minister to the people. When I had to run my 1-year old to the hospital and discovered he needed immediate surgery, my wife called the closest elder who came over with his wife at 1 am so she could watch our kids and he drove my wife to the hospital and stayed with us overnight. Ministering was the mindset of those godly men. I'm out of state now and wish we can find servant/leaders like that.

 

[johntamminga]

How refreshing! That sounds like the Acts church.

 

[fishinnut]

I learned that if you don't want to have a hard time keeping pants on a funnel........then stop telling everyone how much you crave Reese peanut butter cups & frosties.

 

[RAIDER]

While at HAC I observed some men who received a title and thought people should worship the ground upon which they walked.  I learned that respect is earned and cannot be demanded.