The Mega-Thread for COVID Evangelists

[aleshanee]

I think your discretion in keeping it to the cliff notes version was wise. Us fundies tend to have A.D.D. and prefer monosyllabic words.

no wonder the calvys here use to call me a hyper fundy!.... ......

by the way..... i have been checking to see what i could find out about blood type and covid susceptibility.... ..and some of the studies and statistics on it conflict each other....... then the interpretations of the statistics gets deep into the weeds fast.... .....i remember from pre-med that type O blood without rh factors appeared to be more susceptible to many contageous diseases than other blood types..... the one they made the biggest issue of was tuberculosis... mostly because at that time hawaii was having one of it;s many tb epidemics.... malaria was another one... ........i don;t remember the percentages, but even then they were saying that lack of personal precautions and life style could negate any benefit from not having type O blood.....

...... ......but when it comes to covid - type O blood without rh factors.. appears to be the one least susceptible ..... and type AB with rh factors the most vulnerable.... in most of the studies that examined a little over 220,000 people .. when all other lifestyle and health factors are equal ... people with type O neg blood appeared to have slightly less than 2 pecent chance of developing covid..... while people with type AB pos had between 3 and 4 percent chance...... ...so again... while there is a small benefit from having type O at the moment other lifestyle factors and health can easily outweigh and negate it..... ...plus with this thing still being so new a lot more research needs to be done with all lifestyle and habitual factors included..... sadly, due to rampant wokeness and politcal correctness marching around in the medical research field truly accurate studies are not likely to happen......

Blood Type Biochemistry and Human Disease - PMC

Associations between blood type and disease have been studied since the early 1900s when researchers determined that antibodies and antigens are inherited. In the 1950s, the chemical identification of the carbohydrate structure of surface antigens ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ALAYMAN]

no wonder the calvys here use to call me a hyper fundy!.... ......

by the way..... i have been checking to see what i could find out about blood type and covid susceptibility.... ..and some of the studies and statistics on it conflict each other....... then the interpretations of the statistics gets deep into the weeds fast.... .....i remember from pre-med that type O blood without rh factors appeared to be more susceptible to many contageous diseases than other blood types..... the one they made the biggest issue of was tuberculosis... mostly because at that time hawaii was having one of it;s many tb epidemics.... malaria was another one... ........i don;t remember the percentages, but even then they were saying that lack of personal precautions and life style could negate any benefit from not having type O blood.....

...... ......but when it comes to covid - type O blood without rh factors.. appears to be the one least susceptible ..... and type AB with rh factors the most vulnerable.... in most of the studies that examined a little over 220,000 people .. when all other lifestyle and health factors are equal ... people with type O neg blood appeared to have slightly less than 2 pecent chance of developing covid..... while people with type AB pos had between 3 and 4 percent chance...... ...so again... while there is a small benefit from having type O at the moment other lifestyle factors and health can easily outweigh and negate it..... ...plus with this thing still being so new a lot more research needs to be done with all lifestyle and habitual factors included..... sadly, due to rampant wokeness and politcal correctness marching around in the medical research field truly accurate studies are not likely to happen......

Blood Type Biochemistry and Human Disease - PMC

Associations between blood type and disease have been studied since the early 1900s when researchers determined that antibodies and antigens are inherited. In the 1950s, the chemical identification of the carbohydrate structure of surface antigens ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Admittedly my inquisitiveness to that factoid was based in the reality of concern with my own comorbidities. Being O+ blood type initially gave me a little relief, but those reports I read were quick to point out that the link to blood types is more correlatively claimed than causitive.

 

[aleshanee]

Admittedly my inquisitiveness to that factoid was based in the reality of concern with my own comorbidities. Being O+ blood type initially gave me a little relief, but those reports I read were quick to point out that the link to blood types is more correlatively claimed than causitive.

.

........... and with some of the comorbidities it;s not a matter of whether they make covid easier to catch.... but whether it will make it harder to survive....... ...take diabetes for example.... covid causes sustained fevers... in a type 2 diabetic sustained elevated temperature causes a massive rise in blood sugar that the body... even with proper meds.. cannot control.. ...after a point if the fever is not reduced and the hyperglycemia not adressed .... the kidneys begin to dump fluid trying to rid the blood of the extra sugars.... .as the sugar goes out so does the fluid.... and acute dehydration results.... the drop in blood pressure plus the extra sugar swimming around in the head causes a comotose state and from there it all goes down hill.... ..it;s known in medicine as a non-ketotic hyperosmolar coma.. ...... ...... and because, as a tyoe 2 rather than type 1, no ketones are produced... ...a sign that would have alerted family or caretakers familiar with diabetes that the blood sugar was rising to a dangerous level.... the condition usually goes undetected until it;s too late to avoid permanent damge or death......
......... ..in truth..... i believe proper precautions such as social distancing... hand washing... and wearing an appropriate mask... (N95 or equivalent)... .is the best protection for anyone seriously at risk.... and even for those at moderate risk...... ...i;ve been wearing an N95 every time i am out of the house.. ...but in hawaii wearing a mask when sick or when many around you are sick is not a big deal.. ...people here have been doing that for many years..... especially after multiple tuberculosis epidemics and the original sars scare.....

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It's interesting when a Catholic has more sense than many on this forum.

mRNA inventor stands with Abp. Viganò's call for alliance against 'fundamentally evil' COVID tyranny - LifeSite

'It is impossible to make sense out of what is transpiring in the world right now just as an explanation of public health and in vaccine policy or antiviral policy, and I have become convinced that we're in a situation in which we're all having our rights eroded and that there is a larger force...

www.lifesitenews.com

For you to question anyone’s ‘sense capacity’ is exponentially ironic.

 

[Norefund]

I join Alayman in welcoming aleshanee back to the forum.
We need thoughtful, intelligent and articulate posters like her.

I agree. nice to see you back Aleshanee!

 

[Twisted]

RETRACTED: SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...

www.mdpi.com

The Worst That Could Happen - LewRockwell

Call To Suspend Covid-19 Vaccination Upon Discovery Of Spike Protein In The Nucleus Of Living Cells Resveratrol Pills Could Rescue The Vaccinated The horror of horrors has happened. Spike protein produced by injected RNA vaccines has been found in the nucleus of living cells and can weaken the...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[tmjbog]

RETRACTED: SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...

www.mdpi.com

The Worst That Could Happen - LewRockwell

Call To Suspend Covid-19 Vaccination Upon Discovery Of Spike Protein In The Nucleus Of Living Cells Resveratrol Pills Could Rescue The Vaccinated The horror of horrors has happened. Spike protein produced by injected RNA vaccines has been found in the nucleus of living cells and can weaken the...

www.lewrockwell.com

Thank you Lee Rockwell. I haven't drank in many years but I'm telling my pastor today it's the only way to reverse the damage done by the vaccine. I'm on board now, Lizard folk and all.

 

[tmjbog]

RETRACTED: SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...

www.mdpi.com

The Worst That Could Happen - LewRockwell

Call To Suspend Covid-19 Vaccination Upon Discovery Of Spike Protein In The Nucleus Of Living Cells Resveratrol Pills Could Rescue The Vaccinated The horror of horrors has happened. Spike protein produced by injected RNA vaccines has been found in the nucleus of living cells and can weaken the...

www.lewrockwell.com

Just one question. Can ya ask Lew if he recommends a cabernet or Pinot Noir?

 

[Ransom]

RETRACTED: SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical...

www.mdpi.com

MDPI. Pay-to-publish.

LOL, good one. Twisted is a far better satire account than that fat guy.

 

[tmjbog]

MDPI. Pay-to-publish.

LOL, good one. Twisted is a far better satire account than that fat guy.

Hold on there Ransom, does it really matter where it was published? If it's in print it must be true. I must drink wine (I'm assuming daily) to reverse the effects of the vaccine. It's the burden I must bear for my ignorance.

 

[ALAYMAN]

MDPI. Pay-to-publish.

LOL, good one. Twisted is a far better satire account than that fat guy.

I've been out of contact with the world of academia for quite some time, so I had to google Pay-to-publish, interesting...

Pay to publish' schemes rampant in science journals.

In short, such "publication" acumen is the equivalent of what we fundies know as Diploma Mills.

 

[aleshanee]

Admittedly my inquisitiveness to that factoid was based in the reality of concern with my own comorbidities. Being O+ blood type initially gave me a little relief, but those reports I read were quick to point out that the link to blood types is more correlatively claimed than causitive.

....sorry.... it was 2 am when i wrote my original reply to your post.... ...and i forgot to the add the main thought that occurred to me when i looked up the percentages... .. ..and it;s probably the reason they don;t make a big deal of it.... ..... .a difference of less than 2 percent in relation to being more or less susceptible to covid is so small that it could give the person with the less vulnerable blood type a false sense of security..... while at the same time giving the person with a more vulnerable blood type unnecessary alarm... .....the danger there being if the person with type O neg who thought they were naturally less susceptible let their guard down and disregarded precautions... .....and caused the person with type AB pos to become overly fearful rather than just appropriately cautious... .....

 

[Norefund]

.

........... and with some of the comorbidities it;s not a matter of whether they make covid easier to catch.... but whether it will make it harder to survive....... ...take diabetes for example.... covid causes sustained fevers... in a type 2 diabetic sustained elevated temperature causes a massive rise in blood sugar that the body... even with proper meds.. cannot control.. ...after a point if the fever is not reduced and the hyperglycemia not adressed .... the kidneys begin to dump fluid trying to rid the blood of the extra sugars.... .as the sugar goes out so does the fluid.... and acute dehydration results.... the drop in blood pressure plus the extra sugar swimming around in the head causes a comotose state and from there it all goes down hill.... ..it;s known in medicine as a non-ketotic hyperosmolar coma.. ...... ...... and because, as a tyoe 2 rather than type 1, no ketones are produced... ...a sign that would have alerted family or caretakers familiar with diabetes that the blood sugar was rising to a dangerous level.... the condition usually goes undetected until it;s too late to avoid permanent damge or death......
......... ..in truth..... i believe proper precautions such as social distancing... hand washing... and wearing an appropriate mask... (N95 or equivalent)... .is the best protection for anyone seriously at risk.... and even for those at moderate risk...... ...i;ve been wearing an N95 every time i am out of the house.. ...but in hawaii wearing a mask when sick or when many around you are sick is not a big deal.. ...people here have been doing that for many years..... especially after multiple tuberculosis epidemics and the original sars scare.....

This is an interesting follow up to what you are saying:
More than half of Houstonians who died from COVID had diabetes

 

[tmjbog]

I've been out of contact with the world of academia for quite some time, so I had to google Pay-to-publish, interesting...

Pay to publish' schemes rampant in science journals.

In short, such "publication" acumen is the equivalent of what we fundies know as Diploma Mills.

Stop ruining this for me. All us vaxxers are going to die if we don't drink lots of wine.
I haven't seen the definitive research but I believe bourbon is the only thing that protects from 5g radiation.

 

[AverageJoe]

.

........... and with some of the comorbidities it;s not a matter of whether they make covid easier to catch.... but whether it will make it harder to survive....... ...take diabetes for example.... covid causes sustained fevers... in a type 2 diabetic sustained elevated temperature causes a massive rise in blood sugar that the body... even with proper meds.. cannot control.. ...after a point if the fever is not reduced and the hyperglycemia not adressed .... the kidneys begin to dump fluid trying to rid the blood of the extra sugars.... .as the sugar goes out so does the fluid.... and acute dehydration results.... the drop in blood pressure plus the extra sugar swimming around in the head causes a comotose state and from there it all goes down hill.... ..it;s known in medicine as a non-ketotic hyperosmolar coma.. ...... ...... and because, as a tyoe 2 rather than type 1, no ketones are produced... ...a sign that would have alerted family or caretakers familiar with diabetes that the blood sugar was rising to a dangerous level.... the condition usually goes undetected until it;s too late to avoid permanent damge or death......
......... ..in truth..... i believe proper precautions such as social distancing... hand washing... and wearing an appropriate mask... (N95 or equivalent)... .is the best protection for anyone seriously at risk.... and even for those at moderate risk...... ...i;ve been wearing an N95 every time i am out of the house.. ...but in hawaii wearing a mask when sick or when many around you are sick is not a big deal.. ...people here have been doing that for many years..... especially after multiple tuberculosis epidemics and the original sars scare.....

aleshanee, Welcome back to these forums!

 

[ALAYMAN]

One of the sources (Alex Berenson) that Twisted likes to use as source material gets exposed...

Why It’s Easy to Misinterpret Numbers of Deaths Among the Vaccinated.

Reminds me of a well-known saying in the scientific field from which I come...

"Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."- Mark Twain

 

[aleshanee]

.....

This is an interesting follow up to what you are saying:
More than half of Houstonians who died from COVID had diabetes

.......the cases with a diabetes cormorbidity was really high here too.... . i am not sure of the actual percentage ... but i do know that with some doctors it;s a toss up as to which illness actually killed them and which one was the cormorbidity.... ........in many hosptial systems how they list the initial clinical impression and later cause of death of a patient with multiple illnesses, depends on which diagnosis delivers the biggest payout from medicare... ....... the left called that a trumpian conspiracy theory when it was fist revealed last year.... . and then the news media dutifully squashed it.. ...but there was really no conspiracy to it... ...the gov wanted maximum funding to go into fighting covid and so medicare rasied the payout rates for covid cases... ...hospitals ... (which are always strapped for cash).... treating patients with multiple disorders did what they have always done, and listed as the primary illness the one that would deliver them the most revenue... .. ...but if you were able to look at the medical records you would see these doctors were aggressively treating these patients for exacerbation of their diabetes as well as trying to address covid.... . ..same thing as when some hospitals got carried away and listed gun shot wounds and motorcycle accidents as cormorbidities in covid... i guarantee they were treating those patients for massive and multisystem trauma... the covid probably only showed up later in their bloodwork..... after they had died..... .

oh and... thanks for the welcome back.... . ...

 

[AverageJoe]

.......the cases with a diabetes cormorbidity was really high here too.... . i am not sure of the actual percentage ... but i do know that with some doctors it;s a toss up as to which illness actually killed them and which one was the cormorbidity.... ........in many hosptial systems how they list the initial clinical impression and later cause of death of a patient with multiple illnesses, depends on which diagnosis delivers the biggest payout from medicare... ....... the left called that a trumpian conspiracy theory when it was fist revealed last year.... . and then the news media dutifully squashed it.. ...but there was really no conspiracy to it... ...the gov wanted maximum funding to go into fighting covid and so medicare rasied the payout rates for covid cases... ...hospitals ... (which are always strapped for cash).... treating patients with multiple disorders did what they have always done, and listed as the primary illness the one that would deliver them the most revenue... .. ...but if you were able to look at the medical records you would see these doctors were aggressively treating these patients for exacerbation of their diabetes as well as trying to address covid.... . ..same thing as when some hospitals got carried away and listed gun shot wounds and motorcycle accidents as cormorbidities in covid... i guarantee they were treating those patients for massive and multisystem trauma... the covid probably only showed up later in their bloodwork..... after they had died..... .

oh and... thanks for the welcome back.... . ...

I can tell you that a couple of people whom I knew that had type 2 diabetes (I have this as well as COPD and asthma) passed away. I know at least three who had cancer, but Covid was lited as the cuase of death on the death certificate. My wife's uncle also died from two massive heart attacks in one day, but he had just recovered from Covid, and had been on a ventilator before being released from the VA Hospital just 2 days before the heart attacks...but when he was admitted to the civilian hospital, they put Covid on his death certificate. He died from the heart attacks...We were told that he had been vaccinated as well...so, it's really hard to say if the heart attacks were brought on by the covid, or if they were from his genetics. His mother had five heart attacks, the fifth one being fatal in 1990. It's just a crap shoot when you try to figure these things out during a pandemic....the medical establishment is in it all for the money, not for our health. The Government is as well.

 

[aleshanee]

I can tell you that a couple of people whom I knew that had type 2 diabetes (I have this as well as COPD and asthma) passed away. I know at least three who had cancer, but Covid was lited as the cuase of death on the death certificate. My wife's uncle also died from two massive heart attacks in one day, but he had just recovered from Covid, and had been on a ventilator before being released from the VA Hospital just 2 days before the heart attacks...but when he was admitted to the civilian hospital, they put Covid on his death certificate. He died from the heart attacks...We were told that he had been vaccinated as well...so, it's really hard to say if the heart attacks were brought on by the covid, or if they were from his genetics. His mother had five heart attacks, the fifth one being fatal in 1990. It's just a crap shoot when you try to figure these things out during a pandemic....the medical establishment is in it all for the money, not for our health. The Government is as well.

ever since they gave insurance companies final say in whether doctors could order certain tests... or prescribe certain treatments..... it has been a quagmire.... and that;s not my word for it.... .that;s what i heard someone who does the registration and insurance approval paperwork for patients say..... this person said doctors order tests and treatments all the time that are rejected by insurance.... ..so they have to check with the insurers to see what they will approve of.... it;s different for every patient depending on how good their insurance is.... as far as i know insurance companies still haven;t refused pay on covid cases... so it;s almost become like a safe diagnosis that they can use to get the other more important things paid for....... but not always... and it;s getting harder to get away with as time goes by... ..... .insurance companies are staffed by bean counters not doctors.... .sometimes they like the way the beans are arranged and sometimes they don;t.. ..sometimes they will pick and choose what they like in an insurance filing.... and reject the rest... ....even the people who are supposed to be experts at dealing with them can;t always figure it out..... ..the worse entity for doing that to people and patients who are covered under their systems is the government itself.... .not when it comes to the high profile big whigs.... they get everything their doctor wants.... ..but the lower level workers.. especially in state and local systems get shafted... ...

and thanks also for the welcome back...