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That doesn't address the substance of the article.
The article was about this doctor surmising his 566 patients had roughly doubled their risk of a cardiac event. If this doubling of the risk of a cardiac event is extrapolated across the 200 million + vaccinated, I would expect at least tens of thousands of additional cardiac deaths. That's not the case.
 
The article was about this doctor surmising his 566 patients had roughly doubled their risk of a cardiac event. If this doubling of the risk of a cardiac event is extrapolated across the 200 million + vaccinated, I would expect at least tens of thousands of additional cardiac deaths. That's not the case.
The article talks about damage - not deaths like the stats you posted and are extrapolating.
 
The article talks about damage - not deaths like the stats you posted and are extrapolating.
So you believe lots of people are having their hearts damaged but it's not killing anyone?
Well at least we are in agreement than that at least the vaccine isn't causing any heart issues that lead to death.
 
That doesn't address the substance of the article.
The point's quite simple. If a substance that has been administered to hundreds of millions of people over the last year causes heart damage, you'd expect deaths by heart attack to go up, not down by over 10%.
 
tmjbog: “Doctors drop dead just like regular people. Nothing to see here.”

Overall Deaths by year:
2019 2,854,838
2020 3,378,414
2021 YTD 2,605,437
According to the numbers we are on track to have fewer total deaths in the U.S. than 2019. So if you are correct and there are excess doctors dying than there are fewer people in other occupations dying or else overall deaths wouldn't be down. I guess it's a trade off. Whatever is causing the doctors to die is making non doctors live longer.
 
Overall Deaths by year:
2019 2,854,838
2020 3,378,414
2021 YTD 2,605,437
Something appears to have caused a one-year increase in deaths of about half a million people. Then, for some reason, annual deaths returned to their previous level a year later.

We may never know why that happened.
 
Internment camps anyone? Of course, this would be normal for Canadians.

 
The point's quite simple. If a substance that has been administered to hundreds of millions of people over the last year causes heart damage, you'd expect deaths by heart attack to go up, not down by over 10%.
So you believe lots of people are having their hearts damaged but it's not killing anyone?
Well at least we are in agreement than that at least the vaccine isn't causing any heart issues that lead to death.
Damage doesn't necessarily mean immediate death or even death in the short-term. Damage is damage. It could lead to death a few years down the road. Or it might not. It is clear from the article that the doctor observed damage.
 
Damage doesn't necessarily mean immediate death or even death in the short-term. Damage is damage. It could lead to death a few years down the road. Or it might not. It is clear from the article that the doctor observed damage.
Not so much observed damage as the tests showed markers indicating damage. What we don't know is did the people administering the tests employ the same methodology every time? Was 566 the entire population of people having this test done every 3-6 months, or was there a purpose in selecting a subgroup? Why were these tests being administered to this group every 3-6 months for the past 8 years? Was there chronic heart damage that was being monitored? You're Assuming this doctor didn't design the "study" to get the results he wanted. I wouldn't put too much into a single doctors claims in an observational study. I would have a difficult time believing that group of people consisting of hundreds of millions of people have had their hearts damaged and yet there is no significant increase in cardiac related deaths.
 
Not so much observed damage as the tests showed markers indicating damage.

Not really a difference there. My son has ulcerative colitis. They did a blood test that showed markers indicating UC. They then did a colonoscopy and observed the UC. Not sure it's really necessary to send a camera into arteries to confirm what the markers show.

I would have a difficult time believing that group of people consisting of hundreds of millions of people have had their hearts damaged and yet there is no significant increase in cardiac related deaths.
Given that not everyone is vaccinated yet and there really hasn't been much time since even half the people have been vaccinated, I would not expect to see a noticeable increase in cardiac-related deaths for some time.
 
Damage doesn't necessarily mean immediate death or even death in the short-term. Damage is damage. It could lead to death a few years down the road. Or it might not. It is clear from the article that the doctor observed damage.
If there's an uptick in heart damage, and it's apparent now, then statistically it stands to reason that some of that heart damage would be severe enough to be fatal, and also apparent now.
 
The contention over vaccines continues to puzzle me.
I have been vaccinated. I‘m glad I did and believe it offers me protection against the ’ravages’ of COVID. I have been exposed to COVID on many, many occasions…close up and personal…and thank the Lord i‘ve remained COVID free.
I understand how some refuse to be vaccinated.
I don’t care that they’re not vaxed….at all…because I have been vaccinated.
What I don’t understand is why they care that I’ve been vaccinated.
And continually post (mostly loon sites) to show me how wrong I am.
I‘m good, thank you very much.
 
 
This is EXACTLY why you NEVER vaccinate during a pandemic. The "experts" are killing people.

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They’re now trying to shut down everything again and make the world safe again for private jet-flying elites to escape from voters. This time they claim there’s a super-spreading, super-scary new variant of the Wuhan (pardon me, COVID-19) virus from Africa. As far as I’m able to discover there is no test for it, it has actually been around since July and it doesn’t seem particularly fatal. So far it has produced only mild cases. But the taste of totalitarian control has only whetted the desire for more, with the thought of destroying those “deplorable” productive citizens of the middle class an added bonus.
 
Damage doesn't necessarily mean immediate death or even death in the short-term. Damage is damage. It could lead to death a few years down the road. Or it might not. It is clear from the article that the doctor observed damage.
That's true. I have heart damage from an accute case of pericarditis in 2008.
 
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