The Mega-Thread for COVID Evangelists

illinoisguy said:
Mike Lindell may have lost whatever shreds of credibility he had left, by appearing on the show of the convicted felon and con-man/televangelist Jim Bakker:

"Mike Lindell, the MyPillow CEO who became known for close association with President Donald Trump and his insistence the election was stolen despite no evidence backing up that claim, was a recent guest on “The Jim Bakker Show” for a three-part telethon. What did he have to say? Exactly the same script he’s been rehashing since the 2020 election, with additional bemoans of being “attacked” and “canceled” on the internet. The rest of the program was essentially a cable TV shopping program for MyPillow products — fitting, as PTL has recently launched its own shopping program. The whole affair reeks of hopeless grabs at relevance."

After Falling From Grace, Televangelist Jim Bakker Is Still On The Air (julieroys.com)
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Wasn't Jimmy selling a cure for COVID until the feds shut him down?
 
AverageJoe said:
Mike Lindell is a KOOK! I used to want to buy one of his famous "My Pillow" offers. But, after he went off the rails in his worship of Trump, he lost me. I can't support that kind of business. I think so many Christians have lost sight of what they're supposed to be doing and WHOM they're supposed to be worshipping. I think this fight over the virus and the jab have gotten very far out of hand and made fools of a lot of people who normally wouldn't have acted so foolishly!
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This reminds me of a conversation at my in-laws' a couple of weeks ago. Father-in-law brings out a t-shirt with an eagle & U.S. flag on it with the words "land of the free home of the brave". He hands it to my 22 year-old son. My MIL says "He won't wear that." FIL replies "He's wearing that (pointing to my son's cross on a necklace), he'll wear this."
I had to bite my tongue.
My FIL also has a huge Trump 2024 banner in his front yard.
 
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Based on the questions asked by CNN that are listed in this article, one could safely assume that tmj, Tarheel and Ransom all work for CNN. Their technique is very similar.
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CNN Takes Another Stab at My Best-Seller - LewRockwell

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Twisted said:
Based on the questions asked by CNN that are listed in this article, one could safely assume that tmj, Tarheel and Ransom all work for CNN. Their technique is very similar.
www.lewrockwell.com

CNN Takes Another Stab at My Best-Seller - LewRockwell

A doctor’s book with mistruths on Covid-19 is still for sale on Amazon. @randikayeCNN reports. pic.twitter.com/vowqUh8iYM — Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) October 5, 2021 August 4, 2021, CNN aired a hit piece on me based on a fabricated report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) — a...
www.lewrockwell.com www.lewrockwell.com
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And you'd be as correct as you typically are with your assumptions.
 
I haven't been able to keep up with all the vaccine conspiracy theories. Where, according to those who say the vaccine is a nefarious plot to deliberately kill or at least sicken us all, does our man Trump fit into the picture? After all, he claims credit for developing the vaccine and is urging everyone to be inoculated with it. It would appear that either Trump is a willing participant in this vast conspiracy (if it really does exist), or else he is a deluded, pathetic dupe and does not know what is really going on. Either supposition would not appear to be very complimentary to Trump.

I am already aware that there are many conservatives who reject the vaccine and who never really supported Trump. Chuck Baldwin would be an example of this - his latest pronouncement, dated July 15, 2021, is that "Anyone - Republican or Democrat - who promotes the Covid vaccines is a tool of antichrist. This is the satanic assault of our lifetimes." That sounds a bit extreme to me, so I am not going to post the link - anyone who wants to read the whole thing can go to the "Chuck Baldwin Live" web site and read it there. I am basically an admirer of Chuck but I do not endorse him on this particular issue.
 
illinoisguy said:
I haven't been able to keep up with all the vaccine conspiracy theories. Where, according to those who say the vaccine is a nefarious plot to deliberately kill or at least sicken us all, does our man Trump fit into the picture? After all, he claims credit for developing the vaccine and is urging everyone to be inoculated with it. It would appear that either Trump is a willing participant in this vast conspiracy (if it really does exist), or else he is a deluded, pathetic dupe and does not know what is really going on. Either supposition would not appear to be very complimentary to Trump.

I am already aware that there are many conservatives who reject the vaccine and who never really supported Trump. Chuck Baldwin would be an example of this - his latest pronouncement, dated July 15, 2021, is that "Anyone - Republican or Democrat - who promotes the Covid vaccines is a tool of antichrist. This is the satanic assault of our lifetimes." That sounds a bit extreme to me, so I am not going to post the link - anyone who wants to read the whole thing can go to the "Chuck Baldwin Live" web site and read it there. I am basically an admirer of Chuck but I do not endorse him on this particular issue.
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So, basically what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with your "alternate universe" is a conspiracy theorist and is wrong, right??? I've never been a Trump fan, and I don't believe I ever will be, but I believe his pushing this SHOT, not a vaccine, is wrong. He's entitled to his opinion. I was told he had the SHOT by some people, but others say he's never had it. I haven't followed this particular idiocy long enough to know, and I don't in particular care if he did or not. That's up to him....HIS CHOICE. Still, with all the deaths and adverse reactions to these SHOTS, I wouldn't be taking one, nor will I EVER take one.
 
Uh, no, I didn't say that anyone who doesn't agree with my "alternate universe" (whatever that is) is a conspiracy theorist and is wrong. I have not taken a position for or against getting vaccinated, or for or against any conspiracy theories, not here on the forum nor anywhere else. I have never told anyone that their position on the vaccine (for or against) is wrong. Sorry if was not clear about that - I am just trying to understand the various views. Even if Trump himself did not take the vaccine, it remains a fact that the vaccine was developed under Trump's widely heralded "warp speed" program and that Trump is urging people to get vaccinated. Those who believe that the vaccine should be rejected may want to get in contact with Trump directly, and share their concerns with him.
 
AverageJoe said:
So, basically what you're saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with your "alternate universe" is a conspiracy theorist and is wrong, right???
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Not at all.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because I question its effectiveness," or "because I refuse to allow the government to require me to undergo a medical procedure without my consent," may or may not be wrong, but they're not conspiracy theories. They rest on the person's scientific or political opinions.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because it is poison," or "because the government is injecting microchips into people so they can track them from space" are conspiracy theories. Again, it's possible that they may or may not be wrong, but they rest on the person's belief that nefarious actors are conspiring on a global scale to do evil under the guise of doing good, without anyone noticing.
 
Ransom said:
Not at all.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because I question its effectiveness," or "because I refuse to allow the government to require me to undergo a medical procedure without my consent," may or may not be wrong, but they're not conspiracy theories. They rest on the person's scientific or political opinions.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because it is poison," or "because the government is injecting microchips into people so they can track them from space" are conspiracy theories. Again, it's possible that they may or may not be wrong, but they rest on the person's belief that nefarious actors are conspiring on a global scale to do evil under the guise of doing good, without anyone noticing.
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This wasn't directed at you, Scott. It was directed towards illinoisguy! ;) It was to gauge his reaction. I can say that with some of the research I've done, and because of some of the conversations I have had with many medical professionals that I believe that it could be a part of a "thinning of the herd" type situation. Bill Gate, Fauci, Soros, Pelosi, Schumer, etc., have all said that the world population needs to decrease. But, of course, if anyone has watched the movies about Scrooge...he believed this far before our time.
 
Ransom said:
Not at all.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because I question its effectiveness," or "because I refuse to allow the government to require me to undergo a medical procedure without my consent," may or may not be wrong, but they're not conspiracy theories. They rest on the person's scientific or political opinions.

"I am refusing to take this vaccine because it is poison," or "because the government is injecting microchips into people so they can track them from space" are conspiracy theories. Again, it's possible that they may or may not be wrong, but they rest on the person's belief that nefarious actors are conspiring on a global scale to do evil under the guise of doing good, without anyone noticing.
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Thank you for the clarification. You woudl be wrong about people not noticing.
 
I haven't taken any position for or against any of the conspiracy theories, so I admit to the possibility of an evil, sinister "thinning of the herd" plot, but I would like to see firm evidence of that before I go screaming about it on the Internet. I was just wondering what explanation those who are anti-vaxxers and pro-Trump would have, to explain Trump's apparent complicity with this nasty conspiracy. Maybe no such individuals exist - maybe all the anti-vaxxers are non-Trumpers, in which case there is nothing for them to explain. (Although one of my friends, the last time I talked to him, was very anti-vax and very pro-Trump). Some of my best friends are anti-vaxxers, and I have never told them they are wrong or that they should adopt my "alternate universe." That's my reaction - now gauge that.
 
illinoisguy said:
I haven't taken any position for or against any of the conspiracy theories, so I admit to the possibility of an evil, sinister "thinning of the herd" plot, but I would like to see firm evidence of that before I go screaming about it on the Internet. I was just wondering what explanation those who are anti-vaxxers and pro-Trump would have, to explain Trump's apparent complicity with this nasty conspiracy. Maybe no such individuals exist - maybe all the anti-vaxxers are non-Trumpers, in which case there is nothing for them to explain. (Although one of my friends, the last time I talked to him, was very anti-vax and very pro-Trump). Some of my best friends are anti-vaxxers, and I have never told them they are wrong or that they should adopt my "alternate universe." That's my reaction - now gauge that.
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I've noticed that a lot of the anit vaxxer's "experts" are people who have been all around anti-vaxxers. They've been spreading conspiracy theories regarding most vaccines before it was cool.
 
illinoisguy said:
I haven't taken any position for or against any of the conspiracy theories, so I admit to the possibility of an evil, sinister "thinning of the herd" plot, but I would like to see firm evidence of that before I go screaming about it on the Internet. I was just wondering what explanation those who are anti-vaxxers and pro-Trump would have, to explain Trump's apparent complicity with this nasty conspiracy. Maybe no such individuals exist - maybe all the anti-vaxxers are non-Trumpers, in which case there is nothing for them to explain. (Although one of my friends, the last time I talked to him, was very anti-vax and very pro-Trump). Some of my best friends are anti-vaxxers, and I have never told them they are wrong or that they should adopt my "alternate universe." That's my reaction - now gauge that.
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Thankfully I've NEVER been a Trump fan! I never will be. I'm not anti-vax per se, but I am anti COVID shot. Can't call it a vax in my opinion. It doesn't really protect against anything and causes more problems than it relieves. But, I don't fault anyone who wishes to take the shot.
 
AverageJoe said:
... It doesn't really protect against anything and causes more problems than it relieves.
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Could you expand on this statement a little, particularly the claim that it does not protect against anything?
 
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ALAYMAN said:
Could expand on this statement a little, particularly the claim that it does not protect against anything?
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If it protects, ALAYMAN, why are so many who are fully vaccinated getting the virus? why would they already need a booster??? It's not logical, nor is it scientifically feasible! I've had Covid 2x, as has my wife, and we've not gotten the vax. We had it the first time in Dec of 2019. The second time was in August of this year. Natural immunity works longer than these shots.
 
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