Testimony, judgmentalism, and designated drivers.

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]
I guess you missed it...

Never missed a thing.  I don't really care how you attempt to poison the well.  Some endeavors just ain't for Christians, and your defense of hanging out in bars in order to minister, or socialize, is still sorely immature, at best.[/quote]

Paul actually said the exact opposite... (See 1 Cor 8)

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

You do know Jesus hung out with drunks and prostitutes, right?

No, really?  Wow, I didn't know that.  Who is this Jesus character?
[/quote]

There is a Jesus who mows lawns around here... 

 

[themagneticfields]

You do know Jesus hung out with drunks and prostitutes, right?

And the fundamentalists were right there to question him. Too bad they missed the point as do many non-fundamentalists.  Jesus wasn't there to "party hearty" but to show that they too were invited to the Kingdom.

Luke 5:30-32 And the Pharisees and their scribes grumbled at his disciples, saying,

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a]
Paul actually said the exact opposite... (See 1 Cor 8)[/quote]

I'm sure that you have magical ventriliquist abilities to make not only Paul say whatever you want, but can massage anything you'd like out of the Apostles and prophets.  2 Peter 3:16  ;D

 

[rsc2a]

You do know Jesus hung out with drunks and prostitutes, right?

And the fundamentalists were right there to question him. Too bad they missed the point as do many non-fundamentalists.  Jesus wasn't there to "party hearty" but to show that they too were invited to the Kingdom.

Jesus wasn't a miser.  :-\

Not only that, the idea that one cannot enjoy themselves without being unrighteous is strange at best and heresy at worst.

[quote author=themagneticfields]Luke 5:30-32 And the Pharisees and their scribes grumbled at his disciples, saying,

 

[Vandal]

I bet the Lord would have lead her away from what she was doing, but the Fundies struck again... :-[

 

[Castor Muscular]

Who is this Jesus character?

Ah, okay, that explains everything.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm sure that you have magical ventriliquist abilities to make not only Paul say whatever you want, but can massage anything you'd like out of the Apostles and prophets.  2 Peter 3:16  ;D

No really...Paul said those that those Christians whose conscience allowed them to eat meat sacrificed to idols were the stronger Christians. He said those whose conscience did not allow this were the more immature. The principle to which Paul was speaking was in regards to Christian liberty vs "religious" rules.

Invoking Christian liberty means that the activity which a person partakes of is actually not sin.  Consorting and socializing in your average bar, which in effect puts a stamp of approval on the activities going on around you, is not exactly gray area. 

In regards to the topic, one who refuses to go into a bar purely to be "Christian" in their actions is either practicing Pharisee-ism or immature. (I am not saying there aren't very good reasons for some Christians to stay out of bars.)

I'm sure that when David said that he'd set no wicked thing before his eyes you'd consider him weak and a pharisee, but the reality is that you freebird paradigm makes all things possible for you to partake in, like even strip-club ministries I'm sure.

 

[rsc2a]

I'm sure that you have magical ventriliquist abilities to make not only Paul say whatever you want, but can massage anything you'd like out of the Apostles and prophets.  2 Peter 3:16  ;D

No really...Paul said those that those Christians whose conscience allowed them to eat meat sacrificed to idols were the stronger Christians. He said those whose conscience did not allow this were the more immature. The principle to which Paul was speaking was in regards to Christian liberty vs "religious" rules.

Invoking Christian liberty means that the activity which a person partakes of is actually not sin.  Consorting and socializing in your average bar, which in effect puts a stamp of approval on the activities going on around you, is not exactly gray area. 

You are right...consorting and socializing in a bar is not a grey area at all. It's not sin.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]

In regards to the topic, one who refuses to go into a bar purely to be "Christian" in their actions is either practicing Pharisee-ism or immature. (I am not saying there aren't very good reasons for some Christians to stay out of bars.)

I'm sure that when David said that he'd set no wicked thing before his eyes you'd consider him weak and a pharisee, but the reality is that you freebird paradigm makes all things possible for you to partake in, like even strip-club ministries I'm sure.
[/quote]

Could the person be in a strip club and not sin? For most, not a chance. For the rare individual that could do this, sure...this might be a valid ministry opportunity. Do you know what Jesus said about where you go to worship God?

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a]You are right...consorting and socializing in a bar is not a grey area at all. It's not sin.[/quote]

I love the selective dogmatism of you squishy types. 

If you were the nerdy-techie type and stumbled into an internet cafe for some java and keyboard leisure time, and whilst making your socializing friendships you became aware that it was really nothing more than a Nigerian boiler room operation to bilk unsuspecting net grannies out of their retirement, would you slap them on their back and consort with them without any feelings of disgust and contempt?

[quote author=rsc2a] Do you know what Jesus said about where you go to worship God?
[/quote]

Wow, you are such an amazing Bible scholar.  No, tell me, what did he say about spirits and troops?

 

[Torrent v.2]

A couple months back I came across a young lady while soulwinning who was no longer attending  church.  She gave a credible profession of faith, but was soured on ANY church-goin'.  It seems she had a bad experience with what she perceived to be judgmental pharisees.  She had volunteered to be the designtated driver for her friends who were going out to get smashed at a local bar.  They weren't Christians, but were her friends, and she thought it was the responsible Christ-like thing to do in order to make sure they got home in one piece, and didn't kill anybody else either.  Her church got wind of her "runnin' the bars" and told her that she needed to stop such activities.  She claimed they conveyed such info in a judgmental way, and so she left the church and now just doesn't go at all because most Christians seem to jump to conclusions before hearing the matter.

What would you do if an impressionable new/young Christian member of your church were to go out regularly to the bars in order to be the designated driver for their friends?

I would say, "Wow, you really care about these people don't you?  You know, some people would judge you and say that you should avoid places like bars, lest you fall into drunkenness.  But, I think you are doing a great thing by helping your friends.  One day your conversations will certainly turn to spiritual things, and I pray that the Lord shines through you."

 

[Biker]

i was one    too

after he passed away    i had myself checked and was found clean

we shared the same needle(s)    he always did me first

At least he was a gentleman 



Good for you for quitting, that must've been difficult

 

[Biker]

i usually do not talk about it because most people do not know how to handle it

it makes them uncomfortable

Oh well.. it won't kill them to hear it. Discomfort never hurt anyone

 

[Biker]

Regarding the OP

Waiting for my "friends" to get hammered so I can feel good about taking them home?  Um nope. This pre-meditated, repeated criminal behavior is VERY serious.

Getting wasted then taking a FURTHER step to deliberately risk innocent lives needs to be stopped immediately, not enabled. The Authorities need to be notified to protect innocent lives. And to protect this person from themselves.

 

[Izdaari]

Regarding the OP

Waiting for my "friends" to get hammered so I can feel good about taking them home?  Um nope. This pre-meditated, repeated criminal behavior is VERY serious.

Getting wasted then taking a FURTHER step to deliberately risk innocent lives needs to be stopped immediately, not enabled. The Authorities need to be notified to protect innocent lives. And to protect this person from themselves.

Agreed. Nor is there any need to drive them. They're already spending a small fortune on drinks. They can spend a few bucks more and call a cab.

I don't hang out in bars with the intention of getting drunk, but I don't avoid them either. There just aren't very many with an atmosphere and company that I enjoy.

I am looking forward to attending my church's theology pub events. I just haven't had a chance to make one yet. They're held at a place with a pleasant atmosphere and good restaurant reviews. I expect hanging out with my Christian homies and talking theology, while enjoying some fine craft-brewed local beers and good food, will be a very pleasant and edifying evening.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Izdaari]Agreed. Nor is there any need to drive them. They're already spending a small fortune on drinks. They can spend a few bucks more and call a cab.

I don't hang out in bars with the intention of getting drunk, but I don't avoid them either. There just aren't very many with an atmosphere and company that I enjoy.

I am looking forward to attending my church's theology pub events. I just haven't had a chance to make one yet. They're held at a place with a pleasant atmosphere and good restaurant reviews. I expect hanging out with my Christian homies and talking theology, while enjoying some fine craft-brewed local beers and good food, will be a very pleasant and edifying evening.[/quote]

Who says "homies" anymore? 

 

[rsc2a]

yes    i know    what a    wicked sinner

i am sure that is exactly what god thought

i should have died so many times

Please stop spamming the boards. 

 

[Torrent v.2]

yes    i know    what a    wicked sinner

i am sure that is exactly what god thought

i should have died so many times

Please stop spamming the boards. 

Bwaahahahahaha!!!!


Syas the bozo who posts 3 mile long posts and takes all the space on the forum.

Ivanette, post all you want.

 

[Izdaari]

[quote author=Izdaari]Agreed. Nor is there any need to drive them. They're already spending a small fortune on drinks. They can spend a few bucks more and call a cab.

I don't hang out in bars with the intention of getting drunk, but I don't avoid them either. There just aren't very many with an atmosphere and company that I enjoy.

I am looking forward to attending my church's theology pub events. I just haven't had a chance to make one yet. They're held at a place with a pleasant atmosphere and good restaurant reviews. I expect hanging out with my Christian homies and talking theology, while enjoying some fine craft-brewed local beers and good food, will be a very pleasant and edifying evening.

Who says "homies" anymore? 
[/quote]

Just trying to avoid using the sexist "brethren". 

 

[Biker]

Regarding the OP

Waiting for my "friends" to get hammered so I can feel good about taking them home?  Um nope. This pre-meditated, repeated criminal behavior is VERY serious.

Getting wasted then taking a FURTHER step to deliberately risk innocent lives needs to be stopped immediately, not enabled. The Authorities need to be notified to protect innocent lives. And to protect this person from themselves.

Agreed. Nor is there any need to drive them. They're already spending a small fortune on drinks. They can spend a few bucks more and call a cab.

I don't hang out in bars with the intention of getting drunk, but I don't avoid them either. There just aren't very many with an atmosphere and company that I enjoy.

I am looking forward to attending my church's theology pub events. I just haven't had a chance to make one yet. They're held at a place with a pleasant atmosphere and good restaurant reviews. I expect hanging out with my Christian homies and talking theology, while enjoying some fine craft-brewed local beers and good food, will be a very pleasant and edifying evening.

If you go during happy hour then it's half off. But I understand not all bars have this.

Last 16 yrs I've known a buddy of mine, he's been arrested twice for DUI. Once for public intoxication which is a racquet around here. Cops going into bars arresting people for doing what people do in bars. Picked him up the next morning once instead of posting bond. BOY was MAD! The Bondsman wanted way too much money upfront so I said forget it. 8 or 12 hrs in the slammer isn't that long imho. I've been in jail 3 or 4 times in the last 20 years, no biggie. He's an Attorney/Judge so may feel he's entitled to waste good money over his stupidity. He's actually a good guy, can't complain. A Great friend.

 

[Biker]

They also closed the Medical Marijuana Pharmacy in our County. The Feds threatened the Landlord with prosecution if he didn't boot the Stoners out. These "Pharmacies" are closing in droves all over California. The Feds won. It's just a matter of time.