So, what did you/do you believe?

cave_dweller said:
Vic's story doesn't even sound plausible. What man would let something like this go on? Being banished to his own basement!? (LOL) He claims this went on for 12 years????
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Jack Hyles lived in his basement for even longer than that. Again, I saw it.

Chapter 2 of Linda's book tells the story of how he explained it to his children.
 
Norefund said:
cave_dweller said:
Vic's story doesn't even sound plausible. What man would let something like this go on? Being banished to his own basement!? (LOL) He claims this went on for 12 years????
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Jack Hyles lived in his basement for even longer than that. Again, I saw it.

Chapter 2 of Linda's book tells the story of how he explained it to his children.
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Yeah and Linda has all the credibility in the world. (sarcasm) Thank you for not responding to my point though
 
Norefund said:
cave_dweller said:
Vic's story doesn't even sound plausible. What man would let something like this go on? Being banished to his own basement!? (LOL) He claims this went on for 12 years????
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Jack Hyles lived in his basement for even longer than that. Again, I saw it.

Chapter 2 of Linda's book tells the story of how he explained it to his children.
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I can remember hearing Dr Evans and his wife having an upstairs downstairs arrangement too?
 
Bravo said:
Norefund said:
cave_dweller said:
Vic's story doesn't even sound plausible. What man would let something like this go on? Being banished to his own basement!? (LOL) He claims this went on for 12 years????
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Jack Hyles lived in his basement for even longer than that. Again, I saw it.

Chapter 2 of Linda's book tells the story of how he explained it to his children.
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I can remember hearing Dr Evans and his wife having an upstairs downstairs arrangement too?

check your hearsay at the door bub
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redeemed said:
Norefund said:
cave_dweller said:
Vic's story doesn't even sound plausible. What man would let something like this go on? Being banished to his own basement!? (LOL) He claims this went on for 12 years????
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Jack Hyles lived in his basement for even longer than that. Again, I saw it.

Chapter 2 of Linda's book tells the story of how he explained it to his children.
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Are you or were you a member of the Hyles' family?
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No are you?
 
redeemed said:
Those of you who don't believe that Hyles had an affair outside of his marriage, do you believe that Ballenger should have been charged? 
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Yes, Ballenger should have been charged. Bro. Hyles had a misplaced concept of justice, one which bound him all up in knots while he tried to rationalize away the inconvenient crimes around him. If you read my lengthy polemic you will notice I mentioned that.

Some of you need to get your head out of the sand.
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Right. Because if we don't agree with you clearly we are just hiding like ostriches, and refusing to research or acknowledge the facts you've found. That is obviously my case. I really need to get out there, and see what people are saying, and take a look at what evidence is being offered...

<facepalm>
 
redeemed said:
Nope. Not me, but it sure sounds like Norefund saw some things first hand.

Of course, even if that person did....many of you wouldn't believe it!
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I just went back and read his posts? He only repeated what others have said. You claim that he said he saw something?? LOL. Once again the story does not sound plausible; Vic's wife left him and JH wife stayed by his side to the end. Keep trying though, even the best baseball hitters are succesful 30% of the time. Keep drinking their kool aid bub
 
redeemed said:
Nope. Not me, but it sure sounds like Norefund saw some things first hand.

Of course, even if that person did....many of you wouldn't believe it!
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you used the word ""sounds" and "if". words not used with absolute confidence in ones statements. How is that country bumpkin education working for you these days? Doh!
 
qwerty said:
cave_dweller said:
qwerty said:
Linda is like the new Jim Jones around here....
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what is your point?
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Just that Linda seems to have quite the faithful following all of a sudden...  And her word is truth...
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You can poke holes in a lot of what she said. But you know folks, whatever makes you feel better. Enjoy the nice juicy story that was perpetrated, because it makes total sense.
 
redeemed said:
Nope. Not me, but it sure sounds like Norefund saw some things first hand.

Of course, even if that person did....many of you wouldn't believe it!
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Uh oh! where did you go? keep being the ultimate judge of things and I'm sure your life will take you places beond your wildest dreams. Doh!
 
A lot of things don't add up, I think Hyles had an inappropriate relationship with Jennie, (to what degree I have no clue), there was a door between their offices, pictures prove it. Hyles knew as well as staff at HAC andFBC what Dave  was doing, I remember seeing Vic's response on current affair, it didn't make sense but then neither did hyles's! Judy and her boyfriend (the Johnson guy) walked around campus like they owned it! Never liked them. Heard Paula Hyles tape, I believe her. Linda lived in the Hyles household, I believe her-motive I might not agree with. I'm not a huge fan of voyle either (another story-different time!)

The author close to Schaap....Jerry k.  Has been known to lie, and lied big about my husband! He's not creditable to me.

I regret my wasted time at HAC, and would never choose to go there again.  But I am happy, happy happy at my current church and my walk with God.
 
Norefund said:
I guess I have a hard time understanding how you guys can dismiss Vic, Linda, Judy and Jack Nischik as having no credibility but still go with trusting Jack Hyles weak denials even though you acknowledge his outright lies from the pulpit. You should spend $1.99 and read the second chapter of Linda's book.

I also spoke with several people who confirmed to me that they had personally told Bro. Hyles about Dave Hyles' adultery in private conversations long before Dave Hyles was caught at Miller Road in 1984. This is important b/c I heard Bro. Hyles, with my own ears, repeatedly state that he had no prior knowledge of his son's sins prior to Dave being caught in 1984. Because these people told me privately the same thing again and again, independently corroborating each other, I now believe Bro. Hyles openly and repeatedly lied about what he knew about Dave Hyles and when he knew it. I also know Bro. Hyles lied about the door in his office that linked up to Jennie Nischik's office b/c I've talked to a number of people who, again independently, confirmed its existence during those years.
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You should read what Tom wrote. He gives pretty good reasons for not believing Vic. And of course Linda lost a lot of credibility with all her "my dad owned all the buildings" crap and other outright sensationalism clearly designed to garner attention.

And neither of us stated that we believed anything Jack Hyles said. I believe Voyle Glover when he says no adultery occured.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Norefund said:
I guess I have a hard time understanding how you guys can dismiss Vic, Linda, Judy and Jack Nischik as having no credibility but still go with trusting Jack Hyles weak denials even though you acknowledge his outright lies from the pulpit. You should spend $1.99 and read the second chapter of Linda's book.

I also spoke with several people who confirmed to me that they had personally told Bro. Hyles about Dave Hyles' adultery in private conversations long before Dave Hyles was caught at Miller Road in 1984. This is important b/c I heard Bro. Hyles, with my own ears, repeatedly state that he had no prior knowledge of his son's sins prior to Dave being caught in 1984. Because these people told me privately the same thing again and again, independently corroborating each other, I now believe Bro. Hyles openly and repeatedly lied about what he knew about Dave Hyles and when he knew it. I also know Bro. Hyles lied about the door in his office that linked up to Jennie Nischik's office b/c I've talked to a number of people who, again independently, confirmed its existence during those years.
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You should read what Tom wrote. He gives pretty good reasons for not believing Vic. And of course Linda lost a lot of credibility with all her "my dad owned all the buildings" crap and other outright sensationalism clearly designed to garner attention.

And neither of us stated that we believed anything Jack Hyles said. I believe Voyle Glover when he says no adultery occured.
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I think even Vic said he didn't know if the relationship between Jack and Jennie was ever actually sexual. I really don't think it matters. It isn't the kind of thing that actually gets witnessed. I guess my point is that you guys seem to think or suspect that Vic may not be credible or that Linda may have financial motives or exaggerated so their testimonies are tainted and not to be believed. Yet, I quoted Tom's well written opinion to point out that Jack was actually caught in lie after lie and yet he is believed when he denied the relationship. What wouldn't Jack lie about to protect himself and his ministry? I don't recall ever hearing or reading Voyle say he knows no improper relationship occurred. 

I am not a Hyles or Nischik family member.  I saw what I saw in the household. The basement living arrangement in the Hyles household was a fact.  Regardless of how you think you feel about Linda, anyone interested in the story should pony up $1.99 to read the Genesis of the living arrangement.
 
Get Voyle's book. It is spot on and has all of the relevant facts.
I just got it and read it though on my Kindle.
I wish I had read it when it was first published.
If you were not at FBCH in the 70's and early 80's you have no reference point to navigate the labyrinth of myths and half truths. This book is like a light in the darkness.

No I am not a paid endorser. I am not Voyle.
 
tobytyler said:
What I've never understood:  When Bro Hyles still baptized, Vic Nishchick and Johnny Colsten would assist those coming into the baptistery.  This went on for years (probably 15 years or more).  Why would either VN or JH want to be close to the other when the things with JN and JH were ongoing? VN and JH should've been trying to drown one another!

And in the same time frame and up until 1989(?), VN was the songleader for Bro Hyles' auditorium class.  They'd walk in together from the side of the auditorium as if they were best friends. They appeared so close when in reality, they should have been slugging one another.
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Another thing that I never understood, when Jack and Judy N were young, their babysitter was Elaine Colsten.  After all turned public, the Colsten's chose to stay; the Colsten and Nishchick children chose to leave.  It is a complete split down the middle.  Colstens', Hyles' and Mrs N stay; VicN and the all children of the Colsten's and Nishchick's leave. 
I do wonder sometimes if this was a sabatage(sp) maneuver that went wrong.  The Hyles' remained together and Mrs. N remains at FBC.  (I do feel sorry for her---she lost her husband and children, and perhaps she was innocent of what was being reported.) 
I'm very torn toward both sides.  Unless Mrs. H or Mrs. N speak publicly, which I don't believe they will, I don't think we'll ever know the real truth.
 
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