So, what did you/do you believe?

[rsc2a]

I believe I can fly.,,

...I believe I can touch the sky.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Anyone still have Ed Wolber's tape of Bro. Hyles' favorite hymns?  Mine was in a car that was stolen in college.

 

[Fresh Air]

Anyone still have Ed Wolber's tape of Bro. Hyles' favorite hymns?  Mine was in a car that was stolen in college.

No, but I have a distinct memory of the Pastors' School in which Bro. Hyles was promoting Ed Wolber as a singing evangelist who would also help your church by showing you how FBCH works from the inside. I remember, at about 14, just mentally rolling my eyes at that one.

 

[bgwilkinson]

I believe I can fly.,,

...I believe I can touch the sky.

That's what the kids said in the 60s after taking LSD.
Then they jumped and died.

 

[tobytyler]

Or when the kid misbehaves, he has to wear the PJs that play this:

What's Wrong with My Children - FBC John Thrall

Wait - is that in the new auditorium??    He is still singing that same dumb song???  Over-enunciating the same crazy words???  WHYYYY?  WHYYYY?  WHYYYY??  :'(

He sings the same songs just as Mrs C plays the same songs for the prelude.  I know some of her next songs before she plays them.  (i.e. She'll finish "Come and Dine" with "Come Unto Me".)  On Sundays, FBC has both the organ and piano play the prelude together like they've done at HAC for years--it does keep Mrs C in line and on course---you know she gets distracted talking on the telephone while playing!!)

 

[BALAAM]

Or when the kid misbehaves, he has to wear the PJs that play this:

What's Wrong with My Children - FBC John Thrall

Wait - is that in the new auditorium??    He is still singing that same dumb song???  Over-enunciating the same crazy words???  WHYYYY?  WHYYYY?  WHYYYY??  :'(

He sings the same songs just as Mrs C plays the same songs for the prelude.  I know some of her next songs before she plays them.  (i.e. She'll finish "Come and Dine" with "Come Unto Me".)  On Sundays, FBC has both the organ and piano play the prelude together like they've done at HAC for years--it does keep Mrs C in line and on course---you know she gets distracted talking on the telephone while playing!!)

She does but I know some piano players who tell me that is very difficult to do. Play with one hand and talk to someone at the same time. I know it would mess up  my chopsticks for sure1

 

[16KJV11]

What I've never understood:  When Bro Hyles still baptized, Vic Nishchick and Johnny Colsten would assist those coming into the baptistery.  This went on for years (probably 15 years or more).  Why would either VN or JH want to be close to the other when the things with JN and JH were ongoing?

And in the same time frame and up until 1989(?), VN was the songleader for Bro Hyles' auditorium class.  They'd walk in together from the side of the auditorium as if they were best friends. They appeared so close when in reality, they should have been slugging one another.

For VN there were benefits for keeping quiet.
There is much more that has never been told publicly.
If you were at FBCH in the 60's and 70's you would understand the hold that each man had over the other.
Bro. Hyles lived in constant fear of VN and VN knew it and took advantage of it to the max.

Then VN is just as much a scoundrel as brother Hyles is purported to have been.

 

[bgwilkinson]

What I've never understood:  When Bro Hyles still baptized, Vic Nishchick and Johnny Colsten would assist those coming into the baptistery.  This went on for years (probably 15 years or more).  Why would either VN or JH want to be close to the other when the things with JN and JH were ongoing?

And in the same time frame and up until 1989(?), VN was the songleader for Bro Hyles' auditorium class.  They'd walk in together from the side of the auditorium as if they were best friends. They appeared so close when in reality, they should have been slugging one another.

For VN there were benefits for keeping quiet.
There is much more that has never been told publicly.
If you were at FBCH in the 60's and 70's you would understand the hold that each man had over the other.
Bro. Hyles lived in constant fear of VN and VN knew it and took advantage of it to the max.

Then VN is just as much a scoundrel as brother Hyles is purported to have been.

Neither man is, was a scoundrel. Both men grew into a situation that was not entirely of their own making. We are talking more than 20 years in the making.
I can not place the blame on either one more so than the other. I can attest to the fact that both men dearly loved the other.  That is why the situation went on so long before coming to a head in deacons meeting. Others such as myself bare much of the blame for not demanding a full and complete investigation that would have revealed all in real time. At this point much testimony is publicly available to establish that an inappropriate relationship unbecoming a pastor, or an honorable person, did take place.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Anyone still have Ed Wolber's tape of Bro. Hyles' favorite hymns?  Mine was in a car that was stolen in college.

No, but I have a distinct memory of the Pastors' School in which Bro. Hyles was promoting Ed Wolber as a singing evangelist who would also help your church by showing you how FBCH works from the inside. I remember, at about 14, just mentally rolling my eyes at that one.

How about Bob Altar?
He was also featured at that one.
Didn't work out so well as IFBx do not believe singers who sing gospel songs are worthy of their hire. Only preechers are worthy. No gospel quartets either.
You can't sing the gospel you have to say it. Singing somehow dilutes the message.
Bro. Hyles thought they could pull down multi thousand dollar honorariums.
Both of them told me they could not survive on IFB wages for singers.
Sad.

 

[IFB X-Files]

The majority of us on the HAC FFF attended HAC and/or FBCH for a period of time.  If you are like me you remember where you were in the 80's when you heard or read the news about Dr. Hyles' supposed inappropriate behavior and cover up.  Some were still at HAC/FBCH when the news broke.  Some had graduated and moved on.

What did you think when you first heard the rumors/news?
What did you think after a few weeks/months had passed?
What do you believe today?

I was a student there in 1989 when the story broke.  What changed my thoughts about Dr. Hyles was the chapel service (where he was present) that he allowed students to make a outrageous video to send to Bob Sumner.  I knew right then and there that something was wrong.  I just watched a man who preached "I will be a friend to my friends" let college students embarrass themselves so he would be "defended". I remember one female staff getting up and walking out when that happened.  No doubt she was in shock at what she was seeing (later confirmed through reliable gossip).  Whether Hyles unzipped for JN is to me irrelevant.  Hyles showed me he was just a man, with the same passions as anyone to save his own skin. (Folks, I know Hyles is just a man.  But you get my drift.)

After that, I met with Voyle Glover.  He was very upset about Hyles.  I've had George Godfrey here in my home within the last five years.  We discussed the situation.  Bro. Godfrey has never spoken (to me) any negative thing about Dr. Hyles.

Lastly, and this is sorta funny, we were going to KY to visit family and heard there was a meeting in Ft. Wayne where Hutson and Hyles would be preaching.  So we went that way and went to the service.  Now this was after all this broke and Hutson and Hyles had words together.  Anyway, we were in the buidling when Hyles showed up and went to the platform where Hutson was already seated.  Man, you would have to use a chainsaw to cut the tension!  (Now my memory is not clear on this, but this could have been after Hutson had preached down in Lowell and I heard Hutson say that Hyles was finished) Hyles preached one of the best messages I've ever heard him preach.  It reminds me of what Paula Hyles said about David, that he preached one of his best messages after those photos were found.  It sorta makes you realize that men in the flesh can preach pretty good (ask RAIDER, he knows).

I'm so thankful that 1989 was my last year there.  I ain't been back since, but I must say that if given the chance, I'd like to walk the campus there sometime.

Men are only men, but God is always God.

 

[tobytyler]

What I've never understood:  When Bro Hyles still baptized, Vic Nishchick and Johnny Colsten would assist those coming into the baptistery.  This went on for years (probably 15 years or more).  Why would either VN or JH want to be close to the other when the things with JN and JH were ongoing?

And in the same time frame and up until 1989(?), VN was the songleader for Bro Hyles' auditorium class.  They'd walk in together from the side of the auditorium as if they were best friends. They appeared so close when in reality, they should have been slugging one another.

For VN there were benefits for keeping quiet.
There is much more that has never been told publicly.
If you were at FBCH in the 60's and 70's you would understand the hold that each man had over the other.
Bro. Hyles lived in constant fear of VN and VN knew it and took advantage of it to the max.

Then VN is just as much a scoundrel as brother Hyles is purported to have been.

Neither man is, was a scoundrel. Both men grew into a situation that was not entirely of their own making. We are talking more than 20 years in the making.
I can not place the blame on either one more so than the other. I can attest to the fact that both men dearly loved the other.  That is why the situation went on so long before coming to a head in deacons meeting. Others such as myself bare much of the blame for not demanding a full and complete investigation that would have revealed all in real time. At this point much testimony is publicly available to establish that an inappropriate relationship unbecoming a pastor, or an honorable person, did take place.

Had you demanded a complete investigation, you'd probably been unsuccessful and been shouted down as were done to others who attempted to do the right thing.  Deacons tried to bring up the Dave Hyles situations in many different settings to no avail.  Though you intentions were right, others would've prevented and prohibited any investigation.  It's just like the police report by the Schererville PD with Dave Hyles---the principals weren't even told that there was one.  The staff was only told what the higher ups wanted them to know.  Sad, but true.

 

[Torrent v.3]

What I've never understood:  When Bro Hyles still baptized, Vic Nishchick and Johnny Colsten would assist those coming into the baptistery.  This went on for years (probably 15 years or more).  Why would either VN or JH want to be close to the other when the things with JN and JH were ongoing?

And in the same time frame and up until 1989(?), VN was the songleader for Bro Hyles' auditorium class.  They'd walk in together from the side of the auditorium as if they were best friends. They appeared so close when in reality, they should have been slugging one another.

For VN there were benefits for keeping quiet.
There is much more that has never been told publicly.
If you were at FBCH in the 60's and 70's you would understand the hold that each man had over the other.
Bro. Hyles lived in constant fear of VN and VN knew it and took advantage of it to the max.

Then VN is just as much a scoundrel as brother Hyles is purported to have been.

Neither man is, was a scoundrel. Both men grew into a situation that was not entirely of their own making. We are talking more than 20 years in the making.
I can not place the blame on either one more so than the other. I can attest to the fact that both men dearly loved the other.  That is why the situation went on so long before coming to a head in deacons meeting. Others such as myself bare much of the blame for not demanding a full and complete investigation that would have revealed all in real time. At this point much testimony is publicly available to establish that an inappropriate relationship unbecoming a pastor, or an honorable person, did take place.

Had you demanded a complete investigation, you'd probably been unsuccessful and been shouted down as were done to others who attempted to do the right thing.  Deacons tried to bring up the Dave Hyles situations in many different settings to no avail.  Though you intentions were right, others would've prevented and prohibited any investigation.  It's just like the police report by the Schererville PD with Dave Hyles---the principals weren't even told that there was one.  The staff was only told what the higher ups wanted them to know.  Sad, but true.

Very Sad.

 

[Just John]

The majority of us on the HAC FFF attended HAC and/or FBCH for a period of time.  If you are like me you remember where you were in the 80's when you heard or read the news about Dr. Hyles' supposed inappropriate behavior and cover up.  Some were still at HAC/FBCH when the news broke.  Some had graduated and moved on.

What did you think when you first heard the rumors/news?
What did you think after a few weeks/months had passed?
What do you believe today?

I was a student there in 1989 when the story broke.  What changed my thoughts about Dr. Hyles was the chapel service (where he was present) that he allowed students to make a outrageous video to send to Bob Sumner.  I knew right then and there that something was wrong.  I just watched a man who preached "I will be a friend to my friends" let college students embarrass themselves so he would be "defended". I remember one female staff getting up and walking out when that happened.  No doubt she was in shock at what she was seeing (later confirmed through reliable gossip).  Whether Hyles unzipped for JN is to me irrelevant.  Hyles showed me he was just a man, with the same passions as anyone to save his own skin. (Folks, I know Hyles is just a man.  But you get my drift.)

After that, I met with Voyle Glover.  He was very upset about Hyles.  I've had George Godfrey here in my home within the last five years.  We discussed the situation.  Bro. Godfrey has never spoken (to me) any negative thing about Dr. Hyles.

Lastly, and this is sorta funny, we were going to KY to visit family and heard there was a meeting in Ft. Wayne where Hutson and Hyles would be preaching.  So we went that way and went to the service.  Now this was after all this broke and Hutson and Hyles had words together.  Anyway, we were in the buidling when Hyles showed up and went to the platform where Hutson was already seated.  Man, you would have to use a chainsaw to cut the tension!  (Now my memory is not clear on this, but this could have been after Hutson had preached down in Lowell and I heard Hutson say that Hyles was finished) Hyles preached one of the best messages I've ever heard him preach.  It reminds me of what Paula Hyles said about David, that he preached one of his best messages after those photos were found.  It sorta makes you realize that men in the flesh can preach pretty good (ask RAIDER, he knows).

I'm so thankful that 1989 was my last year there.  I ain't been back since, but I must say that if given the chance, I'd like to walk the campus there sometime.

Men are only men, but God is always God.

Can you tell more about the video the students made to send to Sumner?

 

[IFB X-Files]

Can you tell more about the video the students made to send to Sumner?

No, not really.  I don't remember what was said.  Too long ago.  The point of the whole matter is that Hyles allowed it.

 

[Norefund]

I believe you have my stapler.

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[prophet]

I believe I can fly.,,

...I believe I can touch the sky.

That's what the kids said in the 60s after taking LSD.
Then they jumped and died.

That was 'Angel Dust', not LSD, same ending.

Anishinabe

 

[RAIDER]

One major problem with the whole issue is the good men and women on both sides of the situation.  You have ten staff men that were equally close to the situation.  Five of them believe Dr. Hyles was making poor decisions, and five of them believe nothing wrong happened.  Keep in mind, these are all well-respected, seemingly Godly men.

 

[4everfsu]

One major problem with the whole issue is the good men and women on both sides of the situation.  You have ten staff men that were equally close to the situation.  Five of them believe Dr. Hyles was making poor decisions, and five of them believe nothing wrong happened.  Keep in mind, these are all well-respected, seemingly Godly men.

Sounded like what I saw and  heard from both sides of the aisle during the congressional hearing on Benghazi yesterday.

 

[RAIDER]

One major problem with the whole issue is the good men and women on both sides of the situation.  You have ten staff men that were equally close to the situation.  Five of them believe Dr. Hyles was making poor decisions, and five of them believe nothing wrong happened.  Keep in mind, these are all well-respected, seemingly Godly men.

Sounded like what I saw and  heard from both sides of the aisle during the congressional hearing on Benghazi yesterday.

And it will probably have the same outcome. 

 

[kaba]

Not that I agree with Godfrey totally, I believe he was very much mistreated after his leaving HAC. And I believe the students were encouraged to show their displeasure with Godfrey. (as told to me by a family member who was there at the time)