My Words Shall Not Pass Away

[ALAYMAN]

Can we forget the KJV for a moment.

I ask this question. Does God promise to preserve His Word forever? or not?

It seems from the scriptures shared that he does. That seems clear to me anyway.

So - where is this preserved word? A Word that can judge people? A word that lives even after the earth passes away.

This is a valid question.

It is a valid question, and one that has a variety of answers, not all of them satisfactory.  One of them from a DBTS prof (that's for you FSSL ) says that they are preseved perfectly, in heaven.

 

[FSSL]

It is a valid question, and one that has a variety of answers, not all of them satisfactory.  One of them from a DBTS prof (that's for you FSSL ) says that they are preseved perfectly, in heaven.

Who? Where? What?!!

 

[ALAYMAN]

It is a valid question, and one that has a variety of answers, not all of them satisfactory.  One of them from a DBTS prof (that's for you FSSL ) says that they are preseved perfectly, in heaven.

Who? Where? What?!!

I believe it was Doran (of Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary) who I first read that stated the words of God were preserved perfectly, only in heaven.  Or maybe it was William Combs.  Anyhoo, for some reason I thought I remembered that you were a fan of his/theirs.

 

[Ransom]

Based on the promise from God to preserve His Word the conclusion is that the King James Bible are the preserved words.

So the argument is, in summary:

[list type=decimal]
[*] God has promised to preserve his word.
[*] ??
[*] Therefore, King James Bible!
[/list]

It's premise #2 that I have trouble with . . .

One looks at the legacy of the King James - 400 years. One looks at the simple fact it is translated from the "Textus Receptus".

And you know this is supporting evidence how? Are you able to infallibly read the divine intent of modern history?

If the King James is not the preserved words of God, then where are they? Is God a liar?

God has never declared the KJV alone to be his preserved words. So I can't be accused of calling him a liar for saying something he never said.

 

[Timothy]

God has never declared the KJV alone to be his preserved words. So I can't be accused of calling him a liar for saying something he never said.

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

 

[christundivided]

God has never declared the KJV alone to be his preserved words. So I can't be accused of calling him a liar for saying something he never said.

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

I am surprised you do not know this answer. Its very simple. The Word is Jesus Christ. He is Eternal. God's word shall never cease to exist because God will never cease to exist.

God hasn't forgot what He's said. God's Words are alive. Eternal. They are not bound by temporal paper or confined to some Eternal "Book" preserved somewhere in Heaven.

Let me share a verse from the KJV

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Did you notice what I put in bold type? Can you make an application about the Spiritual Eternal Words of Christ?

 

[Timothy]

God has never declared the KJV alone to be his preserved words. So I can't be accused of calling him a liar for saying something he never said.

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

I am surprised you do not know this answer. Its very simple. The Word is Jesus Christ. He is Eternal. God's word shall never cease to exist because God will never cease to exist.

God hasn't forgot what He's said. God's Words are alive. Eternal. They are not bound by temporal paper or confined to some Eternal "Book" preserved somewhere in Heaven.

Let me share a verse from the KJV

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Did you notice what I put in bold type? Can you make an application about the Spiritual Eternal Words of Christ?

Then why did Jesus say in Matthew 24:35 "my words shall not pass away" if the word is Jesus?

 

[christundivided]

God has never declared the KJV alone to be his preserved words. So I can't be accused of calling him a liar for saying something he never said.

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

I am surprised you do not know this answer. Its very simple. The Word is Jesus Christ. He is Eternal. God's word shall never cease to exist because God will never cease to exist.

God hasn't forgot what He's said. God's Words are alive. Eternal. They are not bound by temporal paper or confined to some Eternal "Book" preserved somewhere in Heaven.

Let me share a verse from the KJV

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Did you notice what I put in bold type? Can you make an application about the Spiritual Eternal Words of Christ?

Then why did Jesus say in Matthew 24:35 "my words shall not pass away" if the word is Jesus?

Do you not think the word is Jesus? Really?

You've heard the phrase.... A man is only good as his.......?

I'll go a step further.....

Do you really believe that the Bible contains every word that Jesus every spoke? Do you? In fact the last few verses of the Gospel of John tell you differently....

Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

If Jesus's words are to never pass away.....AND.... they must be WRITTEN SOMEWHERE......then where is all the REST of what he spoke?

 

[FSSL]

I believe it was Doran (of Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary) who I first read that stated the words of God were preserved perfectly, only in heaven.  Or maybe it was William Combs.  Anyhoo, for some reason I thought I remembered that you were a fan of his/theirs.

They were both my profs and I consider them friends. I know they do not subscribe to that. Bill Combs is the "heavy weight textual critical" prof. Here is what he wrote:

Bill Combs dismisses DA Waite's application of Psalm 119:89 to a text in heaven: Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven.

Bill Combs says: "There are a number of problems with this interpretation. ... Apart from this verse, there is nothing in the rest of Scripture to suggest the idea of an archetypal Bible in heaven..."

Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal: 2000.

 

[Izdaari]

Bill Combs says: "There are a number of problems with this interpretation. ... Apart from this verse, there is nothing in the rest of Scripture to suggest the idea of an archetypal Bible in heaven..."

Well, there's Plato. But that's not Scripture of course.

 

[FSSL]

Well, there's Plato. But that's not Scripture of course.

But!!!.....

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Bill Combs says: "There are a number of problems with this interpretation. ... Apart from this verse, there is nothing in the rest of Scripture to suggest the idea of an archetypal Bible in heaven..."

Well, there's Plato. But that's not Scripture of course.

I remember Plato!  It was fun, until you played with it for a while and all the colors got blended together into a mess. 

 

[Ransom]

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

Spread out over multiple manuscripts, multiple printed texts, multiple translations in multiple languages, all over the world.

Absolutely no one but God himself could possibly eradicate the Scriptures from the earth.

Now that's what I call preservation.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I believe it was Doran (of Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary) who I first read that stated the words of God were preserved perfectly, only in heaven.  Or maybe it was William Combs.  Anyhoo, for some reason I thought I remembered that you were a fan of his/theirs.

They were both my profs and I consider them friends. I know they do not subscribe to that. Bill Combs is the "heavy weight textual critical" prof. Here is what he wrote:

Bill Combs dismisses DA Waite's application of Psalm 119:89 to a text in heaven: Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven.

Bill Combs says: "There are a number of problems with this interpretation. ... Apart from this verse, there is nothing in the rest of Scripture to suggest the idea of an archetypal Bible in heaven..."

Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal: 2000.

Sorry, my faulty memory bit me again.  I read that article in the journal probably a decade ago, and the <erroneous> thing that stuck with me was that somebody would allege that preservation of the word only occurred in heaven.  That sounded dumb then, and still does.

 

[christundivided]

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

Spread out over multiple manuscripts, multiple printed texts, multiple translations in multiple languages, all over the world.

Absolutely no one but God himself could possibly eradicate the Scriptures from the earth.

Now that's what I call preservation.

Or natural disaster, flood, age, fire..... etc.

I've heard White say this several times. I think its just a little silly.

The Eternal nature of the Word of God isn't dependent on anything to do with this world.

 

[rsc2a]

Sorry, my faulty memory bit me again.  I read that article in the journal probably a decade ago....

I thought I was the only one who did that!

You bite Alayman?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Sorry, my faulty memory bit me again.  I read that article in the journal probably a decade ago....

I thought I was the only one who did that!

You bite Alayman?

Not.Going.To.Take.The.Bait........Walking.Slowwwwwwly.Away.From.Key.Boa.rd

 

[Timothy]

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

Spread out over multiple manuscripts, multiple printed texts, multiple translations in multiple languages, all over the world.

Absolutely no one but God himself could possibly eradicate the Scriptures from the earth.

Now that's what I call preservation.

I see what you are saying. I guess.

Someone once said we are all walking translations of the Bible.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

Spread out over multiple manuscripts, multiple printed texts, multiple translations in multiple languages, all over the world.

Absolutely no one but God himself could possibly eradicate the Scriptures from the earth.

Now that's what I call preservation.

I see what you are saying. I guess.

Someone once said we are all walking translations of the Bible.

Yes.  We are the Body of Christ. 

 

[Timothy]

He did say he would preserve His Word. Where is it?

Spread out over multiple manuscripts, multiple printed texts, multiple translations in multiple languages, all over the world.

Absolutely no one but God himself could possibly eradicate the Scriptures from the earth.

Now that's what I call preservation.

I see what you are saying. I guess.

Someone once said we are all walking translations of the Bible.

Yes.  We are the Body of Christ.

The value of scripture should be great. An infallible God seems obligated to provide a perfect copy of his words. Specially if I follow these words for my life. I look at the phrase "my words" in the Bible and I suppose is spells out "Scripture" or "Bible" .... but it seems others spell out "Christ" ...

This is one thing I hate about Christianity. If I can just vent for a second, why must so many have so many views.

Perhaps this is why I want a Biblical standard. God is perfect. Christ is perfect. Salvation is perfect. Why can't the Bible be perfect. I find peace in knowing it all is perfect.

Something isn't matching for me. How can I trust a system where for 300 years a Bible taught things to be "absolute" scripture and then, now, with the last 100 years of versions some of this is a footnote.

Why allow the error, if indeed error?